Questions/Answers on Spiritual Gifts

[th1bill]

1: I am not selling any products here - I merely uphold scripture that believers - true worshippers - who are baptized in the Holy Spirit shall speak in tongues.
Speaking in tongues is a spiritual language for our praying in the Holy Spirit directly to God.
Speaking in tongues is the Bible evidence of baptism of the Holy Spirit.
1Cor 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.


PS: I received the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues when I was 11 years of age way back in 1966. Not in a church hall but in our loungeroom at home.

It matters not the terminology and you only exhibit pettiness in your first sentence. You are raping the Holy Scriptures as you run headfirst to prove a nonexisting point. There is a single golden rule that rests atop of every other that m ust never be forgotten. To begin to understand scripture a man must be filled, indwelt, by Ruah, the very Breath of YHWH, a.k.a. the Holy Ghost or he can never begin to comprehend the rule, let alone the content. But the truth is that the Bible is penned by, more or less, by 40 pen men. However the Author of Scripture is YHWH, the only author.

The Rule: No single scripture can ever be fully and correctly understood without the light of all scripture shinning on it. You must understand that the worst thing and the best thing thuat ever happened to the Scriptures was done by mankind to make study simpler, and it did. The problem is that False Teachers, some with the best of intentions, have taught false doctrins such as Speaking In Tongues is The Only Proof of the Indwelling of Ruah.

Paul did his best to teach that while The Speaking In Tongues of Angels was, indeed, a gift of the indwelling of Ruah, but it is best exercised in our Prayer Closets and while alone.

I present your verse in a better context:
Prophecy and Tongues


14 sPursue love, and tearnestly desire the uspiritual gifts, especially that you may vprophesy. 2 For wone who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3 On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. 4 The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. 5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but xeven more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.


6 Now, brothers,1 if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I benefit you unless I bring you some yrevelation or knowledge or prophecy or zteaching? 7 If even lifeless instruments, such as the flute or the harp, do not give distinct notes, how will anyone know what is played? 8 And aif the bugle gives an indistinct sound, who will get ready for battle? 9 So with yourselves, if with your tongue you utter speech that is not intelligible, how will anyone know what is said? For you will be bspeaking into the air. 10 There are doubtless many different languages in the world, and none is without meaning, 11 but if I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be ca foreigner to the speaker and the speaker a foreigner to me. 12 So with yourselves, since you are eager for manifestations of the Spirit, strive to excel in building up the church.


13 Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. 15 What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; dI will sing praise with my spirit, but I will esing with my mind also. 16 Otherwise, if you give thanks with your spirit, how can anyone in the position of an outsider2 say f“Amen” to gyour thanksgiving when he does not know what you are saying? 17 For you may be giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not being built up. 18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19 Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

 

[Waggles]

The problem is that False Teachers, some with the best of intentions, have taught false doctrines such as Speaking In Tongues is The Only Proof of the Indwelling of Ruah

The truth of scripture gives only one sign [evidence] of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Otherwise the gospel would give rise to confusion and competing claims as to who has been baptized in the Holy Spirit (which we have today).
And ever since men have preached another gospel this plethora of competing doctrines has flourished.
Scripture confirms that praying in tongues is the God given sign of receiving the Holy Spirit.
Where does scripture teach any other sign as evidence of a person receiving the Holy Spirit of God ??

As for your quoting verses from 1Corinthians 14 this is confusion of the worst kind - these verses are to do with the proper operation of the voice gifts - tongues, interpretation and prophecy - being carried out
decently and in order in a Pentecostal church meeting.
A Pentecostal church gathering wherein ALL the members who have been baptized in water and Spirit do speak in tongues.
The voice gifts are distributed upon the saints by the Holy Spirit in addition to the common ability for all members of the body of Christ to speak in tongues (pray in the Holy Spirit).
Not everybody operates the voice gifts - I have prayed in tongues for decades and never operated a voice gift in a church meeting - but other gifts have come upon me from time-to-time as needed.
And whilst the Corinthians of old may well have conducted their church meetings disorderly and Paul needed to admonish them these verses lay out how to conduct the voice gifts of the Holy Spirit
properly and in an orderly manner - which we do in my church meetings.
1Cor 14:26 What is it then, brethren? When ye come together, each hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation. Let all things be unto edifying.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Amen, Amen, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
:6 What is born of the flesh is flesh; and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said to thee, Ye must be born from above.
8 The Spirit breatheth where he willeth, and thou hearest his voice, but knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is everyone born of the Spirit.

 

[Garee]

The truth of scripture gives only one sign [evidence] of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Otherwise the gospel would give rise to confusion and competing claims as to who has been baptized in the Holy Spirit (which we have today).
And ever since men have preached another gospel this plethora of competing doctrines has flourished.
Scripture confirms that praying in tongues is the God given sign of receiving the Holy Spirit.
Where does scripture teach any other sign as evidence of a person receiving the Holy Spirit of God ??

As for your quoting verses from 1Corinthians 14 this is confusion of the worst kind - these verses are to do with the proper operation of the voice gifts - tongues, interpretation and prophecy - being carried out
decently and in order in a Pentecostal church meeting.
A Pentecostal church gathering wherein ALL the members who have been baptized in water and Spirit do speak in tongues.
The voice gifts are distributed upon the saints by the Holy Spirit in addition to the common ability for all members of the body of Christ to speak in tongues (pray in the Holy Spirit).
Not everybody operates the voice gifts - I have prayed in tongues for decades and never operated a voice gift in a church meeting - but other gifts have come upon me from time-to-time as needed.
And whilst the Corinthians of old may well have conducted their church meetings disorderly and Paul needed to admonish them these verses lay out how to conduct the voice gifts of the Holy Spirit
properly and in an orderly manner - which we do in my church meetings.
1Cor 14:26 What is it then, brethren? When ye come together, each hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation. Let all things be unto edifying.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Amen, Amen, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
:6 What is born of the flesh is flesh; and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said to thee, Ye must be born from above.
8 The Spirit breatheth where he willeth, and thou hearest his voice, but knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is everyone born of the Spirit.

Nothing changes nothing. the sign was against those who refused to hear prophecy the tongue or understanding of God not seen . The law not subject to change is crystal clear


1 Corithians 14:21-22 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues (understandings) and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.Wherefore tongues Gods (understanding) are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying (tongues) serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

The foundation to the law spoken of in 1 Corinthians 14: verse 21 above. It must be studied .Or as David said in the Psalms. . . . Lord what can we do if the foundation of the doctrines is gone?

In that way it would seem that God who brings a strong delusion to believe the lie of mocking the spirit of judgment falling backward slain in the spirit The foundation of the law spoken of in 1 corithiand 14 :21

God Wants to Help His People

Isaiah 28: 9-13 The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? He speaks to us as though we were babies:“Saw lasaw saw lasawQaw laqaw qaw laqaw
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.” So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people.In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.”But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds to them:“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.

Mocking the spiri of judgment can become a way to self venerate ones own flesh as false apostles brining the poison of serpents false prophecy.

The tribe of Dan to represent the Holy Spirit of judgment is used in parables.


It I believe helps us to understand why making senseless noises and falling back slain in the spirit should be investigated as to its foundation. I don’t think any Christian would desire to mock Gods judgment in the matter.

Genesis 49:15-17King James Version Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

 

[Waggles]

It I believe helps us to understand why making senseless noises and falling back slain in the spirit should be investigated as to its foundation. I don’t think any Christian would desire to mock God's judgment in the matter.

That is incredibly rude and offensive to other Christians here on TalkJesus.
Also totally unscriptural as usual

1Cor 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.

 

[Garee]

That is incredibly rude and offensive to other Christians here on TalkJesus.
Also totally unscriptural as usual

1Cor 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.

Ok so then you are going for . . ."no one understands Him" . “Saw lasaw saw lasaw.Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.Ze’er sham ze’er sham Like a baby pounding on a kettle . bang bang, clink clink ,tinkle tinkle crash boom bang .I did it it proves it?

What do we do with the foundation of the law spoken of in 1 Corthinans 14;21 (yet for all that they have no understanding its the testimony of that law (isiah 28 . 21

To the law and testomniy if they speak not acording to that one word as two there then is no light on their path .they fall backeard slain in the spirit of judgement

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

 

[Waggles]

Ok so then you are going for . . ."no one understands Him" . “Saw lasaw saw lasaw.Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.Ze’er sham ze’er sham Like a baby pounding on a kettle . bang bang, clink clink ,tinkle tinkle crash boom bang .I did it it proves it?

You write about things you know nothing of
Thank God I am a Pentecostal Christian who can pray in the Holy Spirit

1Cor 2:10 For to us God revealed through the Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the depths of God.
11 For who among men knoweth the things of the man, save the spirit of the man in him? even so the things of God none knoweth, save the Spirit of God.
12 But WE received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in words taught of man’s wisdom, but in Spirit-taught words; interpreting spiritual things to spiritual men.
14 Now man natural receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him; and know he cannot, because they are spiritually judged.
15 But the spiritual man judgeth indeed all things, but himself is judged of none.

 

[th1bill]

The truth of scripture gives only one sign [evidence] of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Otherwise the gospel would give rise to confusion and competing claims as to who has been baptized in the Holy Spirit (which we have today).
And ever since men have preached another gospel this plethora of competing doctrines has flourished.
Scripture confirms that praying in tongues is the God given sign of receiving the Holy Spirit.
Where does scripture teach any other sign as evidence of a person receiving the Holy Spirit of God ??

As for your quoting verses from 1Corinthians 14 this is confusion of the worst kind - these verses are to do with the proper operation of the voice gifts - tongues, interpretation and prophecy - being carried out
decently and in order in a Pentecostal church meeting.
A Pentecostal church gathering wherein ALL the members who have been baptized in water and Spirit do speak in tongues.
The voice gifts are distributed upon the saints by the Holy Spirit in addition to the common ability for all members of the body of Christ to speak in tongues (pray in the Holy Spirit).
Not everybody operates the voice gifts - I have prayed in tongues for decades and never operated a voice gift in a church meeting - but other gifts have come upon me from time-to-time as needed.
And whilst the Corinthians of old may well have conducted their church meetings disorderly and Paul needed to admonish them these verses lay out how to conduct the voice gifts of the Holy Spirit
properly and in an orderly manner - which we do in my church meetings.
1Cor 14:26 What is it then, brethren? When ye come together, each hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation. Let all things be unto edifying.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Amen, Amen, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
:6 What is born of the flesh is flesh; and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said to thee, Ye must be born from above.
8 The Spirit breatheth where he willeth, and thou hearest his voice, but knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is everyone born of the Spirit.

Not even all Pentecostals believe the lie that the only sign of salvation is speaking in tongues, which Paul taught was the least of all the gifts. I know Baptist Pastors that Pray in Tongues in their Prayer Closets and I can, also, speak in tongues. Tongues, as I posted in chapter 14, is taught to be a pride issue, and every word of scripture is the Word of YHWH so I will always teach against false teachers/

 

[Garee]

You write about things you know nothing of
Thank God I am a Pentecostal Christian who can pray in the Holy Spirit

1Cor 2:10 For to us God revealed through the Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the depths of God.
11 For who among men knoweth the things of the man, save the spirit of the man in him? even so the things of God none knoweth, save the Spirit of God.
12 But WE received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in words taught of man’s wisdom, but in Spirit-taught words; interpreting spiritual things to spiritual men.
14 Now man natural receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him; and know he cannot, because they are spiritually judged.
15 But the spiritual man judgeth indeed all things, but himself is judged of none.

Hi thanks for the reply .I would offer. . or at least its your living hope I write things I know not of. . . .two fingers pointing back

And who does not pray in the holy Spirit. ?

You leave out the foundation of the doctrine of tongue in exchange for false pride .I did it .I made a senseles noise and fell back slain in the Holy Spirit

Study the foundation ( of the law) spoken of in 1 Corinthians 14: 21 Its s found in Isaiah 28. Then we can discuss it in more detail if you are interested .

No such thing as a self edifying sign gift . We walk by faith after the unseen things of God . Why mock the spirit of judgement and recive a strong delusion to kep on beliving the lie

Genisis 49 :16 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

 

[watertolive]

I believe this has been discussed, or debated, should I say. But isn't this off topic?
Perhaps reread the OP's that are already on here and take the debate over there.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Posters, @Waggles @Garee @th1bill etc.
As Sister Waterolive has said, and by my rephrasing here. The topic of tongues was not and is not the focus of this thread. So, please move it to another thread of your choosing of which there are many to select from that covers/deals with the topic of tongues. If you would like I can move the offending postings to a new thread I can create for you all. Just let me know.

Thank-you.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
\o/
<><

 

[B-A-C]

Dear Posters, @Waggles @Garee @th1bill etc.
As Sister Waterolive has said, and by my rephrasing here. The topic of tongues was not and is not the focus of this thread.

Thank you for not including me, even though I am guilty. I do totally agree with Watertolive here.

I believe this has been discussed, or debated, should I say. But isn't this off topic?

But seriously, can I ask what the topic is? Is it faith healing? Or is it "not telling anyone about faith healing".
I agree we can skip the inevitable "tongues" dialogue and move it to another thread.
Looking back through this thread, "tongues" was first brought up by Garee in post #5.
Signs and wonders (outside of healing) was first brought up by complete in post #32.
Which crosses over into cessation discussions, and can anyone even do faith healing today? So again I ask
where is the line?

I must let you know that you are totally wrong.

It can be easy to mis-understand another on internet forums, much like it can be in real person. But i forgive you, so don't panic.

Perhaps, but it does seems like there is a bias when people reply to the "off topic" subjects.
Why not "nip it in the bud", when it first goes off topic, rather than allowing it too go so far?

 

[Garee]

It wasn't just "the twelve" here by any stretch either. For example...

The events in Acts 2 ( the upper room ), affected 120 people at first.

Act 1:15; At this time Peter stood up in the midst of the brethren (a gathering of about one hundred and twenty persons was there together), and said,
Act 2:1; When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place.
Act 2:2; And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3; And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them.

Is there any reason to believe this didn't happen to everyone ( the entire 120 people ) in the upper room?

Mary and Jesus's brothers were there.

Acts 1:14; These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.

Act 2:38; Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Act 2:39; "For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself."
Act 2:40; And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation!"
Act 2:41; So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls.

This was likely the same day as the "upper room event" in Acts 2, but if not, then only 2 or 3 days afterward. 3,000 more people received the Holy Spirit.

Just two chapters later, this number increases again...

Acts 4:4; But many of those who had heard the message believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand.

... and that was just "the number of the men" there. If we add women and children, it was probably substantially higher.

The other thing to keep in mind here... the "day of Pentecost" wasn't a once and done event. It was likely annual. There are at least 3 days of Pentecost mentioned in the NT.

Acts 2:1; When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place.
Acts 20:16; For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus so that he would not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hurrying to be in Jerusalem, if possible, on the day of Pentecost.
1Cor 16:8; But I will remain in Ephesus until Pentecost;

Not to change the subject but it’s the same thing as the false tongue doctrine No such thing as a sign gift. I did it. . . it proves it (self-edifying ) In the end it leads to blasphemy .

Those who attribute the work of the gospel “words of life” to the hands of the dying apostles prove they are not walking by faith the unseen things of God .Making gods in the likeness of men, living idols .

And there they preached the gospel.And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:The same heard Paul speak )Prophecy) : who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,Said with a loud voice, (as a loving commandment) Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,. . . . . . .(Blasphemy)


Clearly God does not heal with human hands as a will of dying mankind . the word worshiped used one time below comes from the Greek word therapeutic .God will not share his glory with the flesh dying mankind .


Acts 17: 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

 

[Br. Bear]

@Waggles
@Garee
@B-A-C

Please nip yourselves in the bud and get back to the original topic as found in post #55

Hi guys,

If you want to get back to topic, the original point was that Jesus never once used His powers and miracles to boost His ratings. Quite the opposite, telling recipients to keep it under wraps. Rather He healed people simply because he loved the sufferer and wanted him or her to be made well or raised from the dead. The Gospel of repentance and salvation is far bigger than any of His miraculous temporary healing, temporary because the recipient still grew older and eventually died. If you had the true sense and realisation of just what horrors you were heading towards and escaped from when you repented and accepted Jesus's salvation and if you could compare that to the reward that awaits you when you step into the presence of God in Heaven: now that is a miracle worth shouting from the rooftops!

That is the Gospel we should be preaching. It's a clear choice given to everyone, accept life or reject it. It does not need a hook or a sugar coating to draw people in. Jesus rejected a challenge to perform miracles as a stunt -
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. John 6:26 NIV And despite being told that and having just witnessed the feeding of the 5000 they had the gall to challenge Jesus-

So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? John 6:30 NIV

Miracles and divine healing is for the believer who comes to God with their condition and asks Him for His blessing of healing. Nowhere in the Bible did any of the prophets, the Apostles or Jesus held highly publicised healing conventions, so why do we need them now and what purpose do they serve other than adoration of the audience and bulging offertory bags?

Why not "nip it in the bud",

thank you ....><>

 

[Waggles]

Whether one does what is known as 'tongues' or not, is not the problem as much as the incessant pushing of that 'doctrine', at every opportunity.

Now that is a very biased attitude - very one-sided indeed.
The doctrine that is pushed incessantly at every opportunity is that a disciple does not need (or should) speak in tongues.
The doctrine that is pushed incessantly is that healings and miracles like tongues have "vanished" - they belong to the apostolic era and not for today.

Pentecostal churches that have thousands of testimonies of signs, wonders and miracles and mainstream churches are challenged as to why they do not have the same.
The response is not to seek what is written in the scriptures for themselves, but to denigrate the validity of Pentecostal faith and doctrine at every opportunity.

 

[PloughBoy]

Now that is a very biased attitude - very one-sided indeed.
The doctrine that is pushed incessantly at every opportunity is that a disciple does not need (or should) speak in tongues.
The doctrine that is pushed incessantly is that healings and miracles like tongues have "vanished" - they belong to the apostolic era and not for today.

Pentecostal churches that have thousands of testimonies of signs, wonders and miracles and mainstream churches are challenged as to why they do not have the same.
The response is not to seek what is written in the scriptures for themselves, but to denigrate the validity of Pentecostal faith and doctrine at every opportunity.

Waggles, you have great value to your brothers and sisters" that are in Christ in which we are from many "Nations" and cultures. So we need you there for now. I love you My brother, you are most needed where you are so gifted too. For now we need you there. so I asking you to submit. and to sacrifice and lay down your life. for we need you on The altar, and there can we meet. For we all have laid down our lives for one another. Embracing the Pain. for even your words have been so kind to me. So I do hope, you can behold me, at your darkness need, that is approaching, and be those eyes, that others cannot see.

Your Brother in Christ, and always will be.

 

[Waggles]

So I do hope, you can behold me, at your darkness need, that is approaching, and be those eyes, that others cannot see.

Thankyou brother

Beloved, while I was giving all diligence to write you of our common salvation, I was constrained to write you exhorting to contend earnestly for the faith once for all delivered to the saints. Jude 1:3

once: lit. once for all. Gr. hapax (S# G530, Heb_6:4). The body of doctrine embodied in the faith is not properly subject to any addition or modification: it was complete as delivered from the Apostles (Heb_1:2).
Casaubon remarks, "Divine words, few in number, but rich in meaning. If rightly understood and duly obeyed, these words would put an end to all modern controversies, and restore peace to the Church.
Do we desire to know what the true faith is? St. Jude here tells us - that which was once, and once for all delivered to the saints. Every doctrine which can be shown to be posterior to that faith is new; and every doctrine
that is new is false" (cited in Lange). Jud_1:5, Heb_9:26-28, 1Pe_3:18.
The Ultimate Cross-Reference Treasury by Jerome H. Smith © 2004

 

[PloughBoy]

Thankyou brother

Beloved, while I was giving all diligence to write you of our common salvation, I was constrained to write you exhorting to contend earnestly for the faith once for all delivered to the saints. Jude 1:3

once: lit. once for all. Gr. hapax (S# G530, Heb_6:4). The body of doctrine embodied in the faith is not properly subject to any addition or modification: it was complete as delivered from the Apostles (Heb_1:2).
Casaubon remarks, "Divine words, few in number, but rich in meaning. If rightly understood and duly obeyed, these words would put an end to all modern controversies, and restore peace to the Church.
Do we desire to know what the true faith is? St. Jude here tells us - that which was once, and once for all delivered to the saints. Every doctrine which can be shown to be posterior to that faith is new; and every doctrine
that is new is false" (cited in Lange). Jud_1:5, Heb_9:26-28, 1Pe_3:18.
The Ultimate Cross-Reference Treasury by Jerome H. Smith © 2004

 

[th1bill]

The truth of scripture gives only one sign [evidence] of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Otherwise the gospel would give rise to confusion and competing claims as to who has been baptized in the Holy Spirit (which we have today).
And ever since men have preached another gospel this plethora of competing doctrines has flourished.
Scripture confirms that praying in tongues is the God given sign of receiving the Holy Spirit.
Where does scripture teach any other sign as evidence of a person receiving the Holy Spirit of God ??

As for your quoting verses from 1Corinthians 14 this is confusion of the worst kind - these verses are to do with the proper operation of the voice gifts - tongues, interpretation and prophecy - being carried out
decently and in order in a Pentecostal church meeting.
A Pentecostal church gathering wherein ALL the members who have been baptized in water and Spirit do speak in tongues.
The voice gifts are distributed upon the saints by the Holy Spirit in addition to the common ability for all members of the body of Christ to speak in tongues (pray in the Holy Spirit).
Not everybody operates the voice gifts - I have prayed in tongues for decades and never operated a voice gift in a church meeting - but other gifts have come upon me from time-to-time as needed.
And whilst the Corinthians of old may well have conducted their church meetings disorderly and Paul needed to admonish them these verses lay out how to conduct the voice gifts of the Holy Spirit
properly and in an orderly manner - which we do in my church meetings.
1Cor 14:26 What is it then, brethren? When ye come together, each hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation. Let all things be unto edifying.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Amen, Amen, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
:6 What is born of the flesh is flesh; and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said to thee, Ye must be born from above.
8 The Spirit breatheth where he willeth, and thou hearest his voice, but knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is everyone born of the Spirit.

Crazy! You make all of these insane assertions that limit what YHWH can do and that, of course, is blasphemy. Your use of John 3:5-8 is a far stretch for application to the subject being discussed and once again you fail to use 1Cor 14, even verse 26 in context just as the False Teachers always do. Brother Paul, in all of the Epistles he wrote never once promoted the Spiritual Gift of Tongue Talking over the other Gifts, let alone that it should be considered as the gift to mark all Saved Men.

The Use of Spiritual Gifts​

12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware. 2 You know that when you were pagans, you were led astray to the mute idols, however, you were led. 3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking [a]by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is [b]accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except [c]by the Holy Spirit.

4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6 There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. 7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; 9 to another faith [d]by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of [e]healing [f]by the one Spirit, 10 and to another the [g]effecting of [h]miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the [i]distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.

12 For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For [j]by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot says, “Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body,” it is not for this reason [k]any the less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear says, “Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the body,” it is not for this reason [l]any the less a part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired. 19 If they were all one member, where would the body be? 20 But now there are many members, but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; or again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” 22 On the contrary, [m]it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary; 23 and those members of the body which we [n]deem less honorable, [o]on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable, 24 whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked, 25 so that there may be no [p]division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. 26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is [q]honored, all the members rejoice with it.

27 Now you are Christ’s body, and individually members of it. 28 And God has [r]appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then [s]miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. 29 All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of [t]miracles, are they? 30 All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? 31 But earnestly desire the greater gifts.

I have gone out of my way, and now post chapter 12 from the NASB so that you might, in earnest, begin to consider the truth that chapters 12, 13, and 14, and indeed the entire Epistle is of a single context and Paul's Letter had neither chapter nor verse and all is of one context. Tongue Speaking, speaking in unknown tongues of Angels, is a gift of Ruah but never should more than one or two speak thus and, they, never without an independant interpreter.

And here is a study on why, when and, how to properly speak in the Tongues of Angels from the Open Biblesite:

100 Bible Verses about Speaking In Tongues​

1 Corinthians 14:1-40​

1 Corinthians 14:27-28​

Acts 2:4​

Mark 16:17​

1 Corinthians 14:2​

Acts 2:1-47​

1 Corinthians 14:23​

Acts 19:6​

Acts 2:6​

1 Corinthians 13:8​

1 Corinthians 14:27​

1 Corinthians 14:19​

1 Corinthians 14:22​

1 Corinthians 14:39​

1 Corinthians 14:13​

Acts 10:46​

Mark 16:15-18​

1 Corinthians 13:1-13​

Acts 19:1-41​

Romans 8:26​

1 Corinthians 12:8-11​

1 Corinthians 14:4​

1 Corinthians 12:30​

1 Corinthians 13:1​

Acts 10:44-46​

Acts 2:1-11​

Acts 19:1-7​

1 Corinthians 12:28​

Jude 1:20​

1 Corinthians 12:1-31​

1 Corinthians 14:14​

Isaiah 28:11​

Acts 11:15​

Acts 2:8​

Acts 2:11​

Mark 16:17-18​

1 Corinthians 14:21-22​

1 Corinthians 14:1-5​

Acts 2:1-4​

1 Corinthians 14:18​

Acts 2:1-13​

Acts 2:3​

1 Corinthians 12:10​

Acts 10:44-48​

Ephesians 5:18​

Galatians 5:22​

1 Corinthians 14:1​

1 Corinthians 12:11​

1 Corinthians 14:18-19​

1 Corinthians 14:5​

1 Corinthians 12:28-30​

1 Corinthians 12:31​

Acts 19:2​

1 Corinthians 14:26​

Acts 2:7​

Hebrews 2:3-4​

1 Corinthians 14:21​

1 Corinthians 14:14-15​

1 Corinthians 12:4-11​

Acts 4:31​

Acts 10:1-48​

1 Corinthians 12:27-31​

Romans 8:26-27​

Acts 10:45​

Acts 2:38​

Isaiah 28:11-13​

1 Corinthians 12:1-14:40​

Ephesians 4:11​

1 Corinthians 14:14-19​

1 Corinthians 1:22​

2 Corinthians 12:1​

Luke 24:49​

Ephesians 6:18​

1 Corinthians 12:13​

1 Corinthians 12:7-11​

1 Corinthians 14:12​

1 Corinthians 14:2-28​

Acts 1:1-26​

1 Timothy 4:1​

Isaiah 28:11-12​

Deuteronomy 28:49​

1 Thessalonians 5:21​

1 Corinthians 1:1-31​

1 Corinthians 14:33​

1 Corinthians 14:7​

1 Corinthians 13:9​

2 Timothy 3:16-17​

1 Corinthians 14:16​

1 Corinthians 14:12-13​

Acts 1:19​

1 Corinthians 1:5​

John 16:13​

James 3:1-9​

1 Corinthians 14:3​

Acts 8:14-18​

Genesis 11:1-9​

2 Corinthians 11:13-15​

 

[Waggles]

100 Bible Verses about Speaking In Tongues

You just confirmed that speaking in tongues is the NT gospel and the NT church.
Thankyou

Zephaniah 3:9 “For at that time I will change the speech of the peoples to a pure speech, that all of them may call upon the name of the LORD and serve him with one accord.

 

[Waggles]

Crazy! You make all of these insane assertions that limit what YHWH can do and that, of course, is blasphemy.

Actually it is non-Pentecostals who do that.
Denying the power of God and preaching another gospel.