Questions/Answers on Spiritual Gifts

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@th1bill's references compacted:-

Genesis 11:1-9:- 'And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.'
Deuteronomy 28:49:- 'a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand'
Isaiah 28:11-13:- 'For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.'

Mark 16:15-18:- 'Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.'
Luke 24:49:- 'the promise of My Father' - 'endued with power from on high.'
John 16:13:- ' The Spirit of truth,' - 'He will guide you into all truth:' 'He shall not speak of Himself;

but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come.'​

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Acts 1:1-26 :- 'For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.'
Acts 2:1-47:- ' they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.'

'And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.'​

'and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.'​

'we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.'​

'they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?'​

'Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.' - Peter - (Joel 2:28-32)​

Acts 4:31;
Acts 8:14-18;
Acts 10:1-48; Acts 11:15; Acts 19:1-41
Romans 8:26-27
1 Corinthians 1:5; 1 Corinthians 12:11-4:40
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
Galatians 5:22
Ephesians 4:11; Ephesians 5:18; Ephesians 6:18;
1 Thessalonians 5:21
1 Timothy 4:1
2 Timothy 3:16-17
Hebrews 2:3-4
James 3:1-9
Jude 1:20

* Time has run out. Back soon - God willing.

 

[Garee]

Hello @th1bill,

Yes, Paul begins his instruction regarding spiritual gifts in 1 Corinthians 12:11 unto 4:40, with the words, 'Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.' You refer us also to many useful Scriptures concerning Spiritual Gifts, for which I thank you.

The first reference in Acts 2:4-12, refers to the day of Pentecost. All were Jews, described as, 'devout men, out of every nation under heaven.' They had travelled many miles to attend the Feast of Pentecost at Jerusalem. When the disciples were filled with the Holy Ghost, they began speaking with other tongues, 'as the Spirit gave them utterance': and all were amazed; for they heard what was said, in their own languages. They did not require an interpreter, for all was clear. Praise God! That was the intention, that was why the gift of tongues was given at that feast, to magnify God, and as 'signs following' in confirmation of the Apostles ministry.

Later, the Gentiles are also blessed with the same manifestation of the Holy Spirit, with the conversion of Cornelius in Acts 10. Testifying to the Jews, that God is no respecter of persons, in the hope that they would emulate them, repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah and King.

Baptism in water and Baptism with the Holy Spirit were carried out together throughout the ministry of the Apostles, during the Acts period. Then following the revelation of God to Paul at the end of the 40 year Acts period, 'the unity of the Spirit was declared' (Ephesians 4:1-7), and only one Baptism remained. That was the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which takes place the moment that faith enters: and the gift of God's grace, in salvation is received; we are not told that it was accompanied by signs of any kind at that time. The Holy Spirit also caused them to prophecy, as a means of mutual edification.

I have looked at many of your references, but have not been through them all yet, I look forward to doing so.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

I would suggest it's at that point (spiritual ) that many attempt to perform self edification .I did it . . . . . . . it proves it .. . . . . . as those who seek after signs and wonders before they will believe in a God not seen .

Spiritual gifts are not gifts we can seen , Spiritual without form

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
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God does not heal by human hands as a will. the word worshipped below is used one time in the Bible Worship . .Greek word for “to heal” in the New Testament is therapeuo God does not share his healing power with snake oil men


Acts 17: 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

 

[Waggles]

and only one Baptism remained. That was the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which takes place the moment that faith enters:

That is both unscriptural and hence false doctrine.
Scripture does not do away with baptism in water and scripture does not teach that the receiving of the Holy Spirit is automatic.
Jesus declared that a person MUST be born from above by water AND spirit.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Brethren, @Waggles @Garee @complete @th1bill @PloughBoy @Br. Bear @watertolive @Andyindauk
Moved these postings from thread titled "Then He commanded them that they should tell one. Is that something for the faith healer?", in order to allow another topic that had taken over the thread in question to have enough room to be discussed without creating confusion with the original thread's topic.

If the title to the thread is not to your liking, please let me your preference, and I'll change it. I hope this move of postings is satisfactory to one and all.
Fellowship, in peace and love.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Dear Brethren, @Waggles @Garee @complete @th1bill @PloughBoy @Br. Bear @watertolive @Andyindauk
Moved these postings from thread titled "Then He commanded them that they should tell one. Is that something for the faith healer?", in order to allow another topic that had taken over the thread in question to have enough room to be discussed without creating confusion with the original thread's topic.

If the title to the thread is not to your liking, please let me your preference, and I'll change it. I hope this move of postings is satisfactory to one and all.
Fellowship, in peace and love.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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No it is not satisfactory, @Christ4Ever.

 

[Christ4Ever]

No it is not satisfactory, @Christ4Ever.

Dear Sister,
Care to provide the reasoning for your answer please.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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[Garee]

Actually it is non-Pentecostals who do that.
Denying the power of God and preaching another gospel.

Big difference with spiritual unseen gifts and gifts of the tempral things seen. . non spiritual. . .fleshly . As Jesus replied a spirit has not flesh and bones .


The idea of spiritual gifts , self edifying. . . (i did it it proves it . it made Jesus into a circus seal. Perform a miracle for us, do a trick then when we see it then we will believe .

No such thing as a sign gift. we walk by faith the unseen things of God

John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?


Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

That prophecy above was fulfilled in the Son of man Jesus .

Believers follow prophecy not sign to wonder after .

 

[Garee]

Actually it is non-Pentecostals who do that.
Denying the power of God and preaching another gospel.

It would be the unbelievers that deny the gospel as the one power of God unto salvation from faith (the unseen eternal things of God to the same unseen eternal things of God No sign needed to wonder after .


Roman1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. (Christ in us )

 

[Waggles]

How many gospels of salvation are there?

 

[watertolive]

They could not believe seeing the signs and wonders Jesus did; they had not seen such before.
How was they going to believe anything else that Jesus would have done?
If one can not receive what they have seen, how will one receive anything else?
They wouldn't.
They were so set in catching Him in a wrong, that they couldn't see what was right.

All praise, glory and honor be unto God.

 

[B-A-C]

It would be the unbelievers that deny the gospel as the one power of God unto salvation from faith (the unseen eternal things of God to the same unseen eternal things of God No sign needed to wonder after .

You don't heal someone for it to be a sign. You heal someone so they will be healed.

Believers follow prophecy not sign to wonder after .

1Cor 12:7; But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.
1Cor 12:8; For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit;
1Cor 12:9; to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
1Cor 12:10; and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues.
1Cor 12:11; But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.

All of these are given by the Holy Spirit "just as He wills". You don't get pick, He picks for you. But everyone has a Spiritual gift. Hardly anyone (except Jesus) has all the gifts.

1Cor 12:28; And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.
1Cor 12:29; All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they?
1Cor 12:30; All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?
1Cor 12:31; But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more excellent way.

1Cor 14:1; Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.
1Cor 14:2; For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.
1Cor 14:3; But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.
1Cor 14:4; One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church.
1Cor 14:5; Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying.

Why are these gifts given? What is their primary purpose? They aren't for "self" edification. They are to edify the church. The Bible says so.

1Cor 12:7; But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.
1Cor 14:3; But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.
1Cor 14:5; Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying.
1Cor 14:12; So also you, since you are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek to abound for the edification of the church.
1Cor 14:26; What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.

Big difference with spiritual unseen gifts and gifts of the tempral things seen. . non spiritual. . .fleshly

In some cases, but not in all.

1Cor 14:22; So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.

1Cor 14:39; Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues.

God doesn't take them back after a period of time, not from you... not from the church.

Rom 11:29; for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1Pet 4:10; As each one has received a special gift, employ it in serving one another as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.

Mark 16:15; And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
Mark 16:16; "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
Mark 16:17; "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;
Mark 16:18; they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

John 14:12; "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.

 

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Rom 15:13; Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that you will abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Rom 15:14; And concerning you, my brethren, I myself also am convinced that you yourselves are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge and able also to admonish one another.
Rom 15:15; But I have written very boldly to you on some points so as to remind you again, because of the grace that was given me from God,
Rom 15:16; to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, ministering as a priest the gospel of God, so that my offering of the Gentiles may become acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
Rom 15:17; Therefore in Christ Jesus I have found reason for boasting in things pertaining to God.
Rom 15:18; For I will not presume to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me, resulting in the obedience of the Gentiles by word and deed,
Rom 15:19; in the power of signs and wonders, in the power of the Spirit; so that from Jerusalem and round about as far as Illyricum I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

The Gentiles can perform signs and wonders in the power of the Holy Spirit. In fact post #32 above mostly quotes written in the 1st letter to the Corinthians... Gentiles!
Who was the book of Romans primarily written to? Gentiles!!
These letters don't say only the Apostles can do these things... they say ( the church ) .. the Gentile church.. can do these things.

Acts 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.
Acts 10:45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
Acts 10:46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,
Acts 10:47 "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?"
Acts 10:48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

It wasn't just something for the apostles, or only for the Jews.
Also this wasn't sometime given for a few years, and then to disappear. It was given until the "last days" are completed.

Act 2:16; but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel:
Act 2:17; 'AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,' God says, 'THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND; AND YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY, AND YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS, AND YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS;
Act 2:18; EVEN ON MY BONDSLAVES, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN, I WILL IN THOSE DAYS POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT And they shall prophesy.
Act 2:19; 'AND I WILL GRANT WONDERS IN THE SKY ABOVE AND SIGNS ON THE EARTH BELOW, BLOOD, AND FIRE, AND VAPOR OF SMOKE.

Why did Peter quote these verses from Joel? Because everyone was speaking in tongues.

Joel 2:28; "It will come about after this That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, Your young men will see visions.
Joel 2:29; "Even on the male and female servants I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
Joel 2:30; "I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth, Blood, fire and columns of smoke.
Joel 2:31; "The sun will be turned into darkness And the moon into blood Before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes.

 

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When were the books of the New Testament written? Were they all written before 70AD? No reputable scholar believes this.

Dating the Bible - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

New Testament - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

When Was the New Testament Written?

Made up of 27 unique books and various writing styles, the New Testament of the Bible is a foundational source of guidance and wisdom for those within the Christian faith. Outlining the life and teachings of Jesus Christ and documenting the earliest days of the christian Church, the New...

www.alabasterco.com

HISTORY OF THE BIBLE - NEW TESTAMENT

HISTORY OF THE BIBLE - NEW TESTAMENT including The Book, Epistles and Acts, An oral source, Establishing the canon

www.historyworld.net

 

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Dear Sister,
Care to provide the reasoning for your answer please.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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Yes, @Christ4Ever,

In moving my posts from their original position you have taken away the context in which they were placed, You didn't ask if your proposed action was 'satisfactory' until the job was done. So, no, I have no interest in taking part in this thread as it stands, and would have preferred it if my entries had not been included.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Garee]

You don't heal someone for it to be a sign. You heal someone so they will be healed.

Exactly.

All of these are given by the Holy Spirit "just as He wills". You don't get pick, He picks for you. But everyone has a Spiritual gift. Hardly anyone (except Jesus) has all the gifts.

Amen spiritual (not seen) No such thing as sign gifts. self edifying .

Why are these gifts given? What is their primary purpose? They aren't for "self" edification. They are to edify the church. The Bible says so.

edify. . . construct a building’, also ‘strengthen’not to glory in the flesh . . . . I did it it proves it .We walk by faith the unseen things of God not after the temporal dying .

In some cases, but not in all.

For all , , we walk by faith the unseen eternal things of God .

God does not take them back for a period of time .Again spiritual not literal what the eyes see .

 

[watertolive]

Greetings

We are not the ones healing to begin with.
Jesus continually told them "it is your faith that made you whole",

And God will use you in the gifts how ever he needs to use you.
He is not limited.

Now, do you want the consequences that comes with the working of healings?
How Jesus fame grew, thousands gathered and chased after Him, and of course we all know the ending.

All praise, glory and honor be unto God.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Yes, @Christ4Ever,

In moving my posts from their original position you have taken away the context in which they were placed, You didn't ask if your proposed action was 'satisfactory' until the job was done. So, no, I have no interest in taking part in this thread as it stands, and would have preferred it if my entries had not been included.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Dear Sister,
I don't know if you noticed but what you posted and to whom you were replying to was considered in the move and the reason both were included in the move. I did not realize until I just tested this just now that the post you were referencing to, though no longer located in the thread in question could still be accessed though in separate threads. However, it now leaves your post hanging alone subject wise as it pertains to everything else in the previous thread. With prayerful consideration I may yet move it back here.

Whether you decide to continue on this new thread or even to the old one is entirely up to you.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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P.S. The posting of yours had already been referenced by another member of which its location is in this thread. If you choose to reply to it, please do so in this thread, and not from the old thread.

 

[Waggles]

REAL EXPERIENCES REAL MIRACLES
Read hundreds of first hand accounts of how the power of God is changing lives all over the world.
‘The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. ‘ Matthew 11:5

‘Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all His benefits: Who forgives all your iniquities, who heals all your diseases, who redeems your life from destruction, who crowns you with lovingkindness and tender mercies’
Psalm 103:2-4

HEALED FROM CANCER TESTIMONIES

 

[Garee]

That is both unscriptural and hence false doctrine.
Scripture does not do away with baptism in water and scripture does not teach that the receiving of the Holy Spirit is automatic.
Jesus declared that a person MUST be born from above by water AND spirit.

And how does H2O things seen . . save us. . Is God H20?

 

[Garee]

REAL EXPERIENCES REAL MIRACLES
Read hundreds of first hand accounts of how the power of God is changing lives all over the world.
‘The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. ‘ Matthew 11:5

‘Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all His benefits: Who forgives all your iniquities, who heals all your diseases, who redeems your life from destruction, who crowns you with lovingkindness and tender mercies’
Psalm 103:2-4

HEALED FROM CANCER TESTIMONIES

Snake oil? Have you been bitten by a poisonous snake one of the signs that follow the hearing of gospel the power of God. ?


John who had doubt sent messengers to see if the Son of man jesus was the one to use metaphors in parables .That parable according to the spiritual unseen significance gave a good report . John did not as an eye witness experience anything

The spiritualy blind received the understanding of Christ faith that worked in them. Those who could not walk by Christ faith were given power, the spiritual lepers were cleansed spiritually those who could not hear the gospel were given ears as God's understanding . We walk by faith not by sight like those who made Jesus into a circus seal. . work a miracle then when we see it then we will believe God ..

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?


God does not heal by human hands in any way shape or form those who do look to the temporal seen make the ap[orles as a legion of gods in the likenss of mankind taking awauy the power of God giing it to dying mankind


Acts 14: 7-12 And there they preached the gospel.(the power of God unto salvation) And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:

The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. (moved by the faith of Christ) And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.. .



.Blasphemy accrediting the things of eternal God to temporal dying mankind