Rapture event - Poll

[twcstp]

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Agreed. I would just qualify that phrase as ''believe Jesus is Lord and that He rose from the dead'' Per Rom 10:9.

I agree with you as I believe in OSAS. Even David, after his two mortal sins would have repented and still gone to paradise.

A key word I inserted that you may have missed is ''continuing'' in sin. Paul clearly states in Rom 6:9-12 that any who 'continue' in sin will not see heaven. Note how every word mentioning a sinner ends with ''er'', Fornicat ''er'', murder ''er''.

Now I am trying to speak to both OSAS and non-OSAS believers as we have common ground here. We both believe someone continuing in sin unrepentant will not be in heaven.

OSAS = You will not be able to continue in mortal or venial sin unrepentant.

Non-OSAS = You will shipwreck your salvation.



I don't agree. Scripture does speak of a rapture event. Please see post # 1 and post # 86.

Warning people to be rapture ready is the same as warning people to repent of their sin today as tomorrow they could die.



I don't agree.

As a Christian our job is to be an ambassador for God 2 Cor 5:20.

We need to properly study topics in order to be able to answer controversial questions that can so easily incriminate God as evil.

For example:

I believe that if God does not rescue us, He is evil. Now if I think that, how many unsaved would too?

For the following reasons:

1. Abandoning Christians with an unrestricted devil = Evil.
2. Taking the Holy Spirit from us when He has been part and parcel of 'Christianity, faith in Jesus' from day one = Nonsensical.
3. God dropping His plagues on Christians = Evil.
4. God needing to further test those who have already accepted Him as Lord = Nonsensical.



How are you going to believe in Jesus if the Holy Spirit is removed? 1 Cor 12:3 is crystal clear that you need the Holy Spirit for that.

Please re-read my OP.

I'm still learning

OSAS = You will not be able to continue in mortal or venial sin unrepentant.

I quoted this from all that you said to say I totally and absolutely agree with this. One of the things I acknowledged some months ago as I walk with our Savior Jesus is that there are some sins we hate, and are captive to; some sins, we love & hate, and some sins we outright love, and we need God's help to remove them. For example, vaping nicotine; smoking tobacco. I am only sharing this referentially; I had a pornography addiction from an early age which followed me for many years, and was not broken until Jesus delivered me from it. I HATED it. I still do. But I have been delivered from it. There is a sin in my life still that I hate, which I also love; in that I enjoy it, and I acknowledged this to the Lord Jesus--so I am convicted of my sin, and am still in the sin, and it is falling away--that sin specifically is smoking tobacco.

1 Corinthians 3:17-19​

17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

I am not in any way accepting this sin, or sin, period; neither will I ever encourage sin. Some months ago, while I was battling vaping nicotine, the Lord spoke to me in the Holy Spirit and said, 'Put it under My feet.' I knew it was the Lord (the Light above All darkness). He told me to put it (the darkness, the sin, the bondage of the sin, the love of the sin) under His feet. I am still battling this sin. It was when I told Jesus that I loved the sin, even though I hate it, that He spoke those Words to me. I am convicted and still in the sin. It will not continue in my life in the Name of Jesus.


I am open to correction; whatever you have to say of this I will hear you, in Jesus Name. Amen.

I am just sharing with you that I absolutely agree. If you are saved you cannot continue in sin.

 

[Christ4Ever]

It won't happen. The rapture will not take place as people see it. The only "rapture" will happen at the return of Jesus.

I am not going to allow people to walk the middle of the road on this false teaching, because so many churches have compromised to do the same as what you're speaking of. Our God is not a god about compromise. It's the same way with those who are gay, lovers of other men or women, or bisexual they are living in sin and there's no if ands or buts about it.

There is no compromise in God when it comes to sin. So why allow this thinking in your own life.

This is what will happen once people realize that they have been fooled into thinking that the Rapture is a real thing. They will leave Jesus they will leave their churches and join the One World Church that will stand there with open arms for them. The One World Church of Satan is what its title should have. That church will be a church of compromise. It will teach its members that it is okay to receive the mark of the beast. It will teach that it's okay to be gay, it will teach that we are all inclusive and coexist with God.

And it is why they will hate the true Christians so much. To be Christian during this time will be worse than it was for the Jews during the time of the Holocaust, with one exception. And that exception is the Holy Spirit which will be our Shield and Sword against the enemys of God

Dear Bill,
I can't say for sure it will happen, when it happens or if it does. Does this make me a compromiser of Scriptural truth because I do not know for sure this prophetic subject will turn out? Then color me middle of the road brother!

Prophetic writings/future events are difficult at best to tie down and are not compromises. These are more of "iron sharping iron" exercises than anything else. To correlate them to moral sins, is just wrong because if that’s okay to do, then you can correlate anything to sin. You just walked in the doorway that Hitler once walked into, so you’re following in his footsteps, and thereby a sinner of the most high! Sounds absurd, but when I read you relating moral sin to belief in the Rapture. Well, to me that’s absurd too!

I am not saying that sin cannot come from this subject, but it can come from just about anything in excess, because of man’s sinful nature. Now if this is something you have a problem with and it makes you sin, then it would be best to avoid it. Let me know, and I’ll stop conversing with you on it, because I don’t want to be the cause of your sinning.

Correlating what many consider future events/prophecy can be an issue in general. I’m sure you're aware of the prophecy found in Revelation concerning Israel, and that they would be a Nation again. There was much debate prior to the 1940's when they did finally become a Nation again, because it was believed that would never happen! Many construed that what was really meant was a reconstituted Israel within other countries. USA being of them, because many, I say many, thought since they had not been a Nation since 70AD when Rome dispersed them that they would not be able to regain the very land they were taken from again. Were these mistaken? Assuredly! Were they sinners for interpreting scripture incorrectly? Did they lose their salvation because of this. I do not believe so, and I hope you don’t either.

There is a lot about the future that we do not know besides our Lord Jesus’ returning. When that happens only God knows, but I'm trusting Him, over the conjectures of others. Which is why I told you that we should be about our Lord's business of growing God's Kingdom, and spreading the Gospel.

So, with everything being said so far, is it false teaching, or an interpretation of future events that there is no surety on? I believe the latter, because prophecy in general kind of works that way until it is fulfilled. If you believe they are, which is the implication I get, then I must ask you one question. "Do you believe that those who have a belief in the Rapture who know the Lord Jesus as their Lord and Savior because of said belief are not saved?"

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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