Should Christians get the Covid Vaccine?

[backNforth]

My comments are in red:

The answer to OP's question is not only yes, but I actually have - both jabs. Side effects? Didn't sleep a wink for 48 hours after each jab: small price to pay. So as it is intended to appear - for the moment. However, this is not about any immediate effects, although thousands have died and hundreds of thousands have had Adverse Reactions immediately post-jab. This is about depopulation, to be accomplished largely through the catastrophic rise in auto-immune diseases (to be labeled as the next new "variant," of course), which will manifest in 1-3 years, as many doctors and others have already advised AND ultimately through the destruction of one's fertility/ability to reproduce. Why did I? I don't want to catch a horrible infection that's potentially life threatening FEAR, nor would I want to live with myself if I passed it onto somebody else GUILT. Fear and guilt are EXACTLY what drives the uninformed to sacrifice themselves on the altar of the medical mafia.

I'm the wrong side of 60 Me, too. , before the jabs I worried about catching it. Why did you worry? Who told you to worry? Who told you you're sick? Hint: it wasn't God. Now I know if I do, chances are it'll be no worse than flu which I can handle. I know others who've caught covid, those who've had a jab complain about a loss of taste or a headache, those who haven't have long covid, totally knackered just walking upstairs - really bad.

In the UK we've got a variant You've got a false flag. that was causing a wave but that's subsiding now, thanks to testing and rolling the vaccine to all over 18s.

The scaremongers are running out of conspiracy theories Rather, the "theories" are true and we are running out of labels for the increasing holocaust numbers. as more and more millions of ppl get vaxed without major problems. Rather, more and more are waking up, performing their own due diligence outside of the enemy's MSM, and refusing the poison.

What I really worry about are the hundreds of millions who've no choice, no prospect of a vax in Africa, SE Asia and Central America. Those cultural groups have always been on the bottom rung of the eugenicists'/transhumanists' evolutionary ladder - totally and completely dispensable. I'm chatting to a TJ'er brother in Uganda who tells me there's a total lockdown there with no Government support, the poor just stop eating, no job, no income, no food for the family - people are breaking down in tears at the prospect. Devastating. As per their plan.

It's all very well for us to cling to conspiracies, but the alternative is lockdown, which is devastating to the poor. Many hard facts have been presented to you, even in this chat room. But you have chosen to not follow up with due diligence. God says ignorance is no excuse, and that you will reap what you have sown. However, it is never too late to do the right thing. Turn off your MSM TV, get on your knees, and ask the Lord to show you the truth of the matter. There is no conspiracy, only ignorance and death.

I'm 73 I have five autoimmune diseases that I'm fighting....I'm definitely well into that "at most risk" category....and I have absolutely no concerns about catching that thing....I will NOT take that vaccine....I would rather die....but I will fight even harder to beieve, for me, Gods promise of healing.. Its so stupid to believe that I am not worthy of healing...but as I said somewhere else on this chat....Its really difficult to build your house in the middle of a hurricane. I'll get there though...withour the vaccine

Indeed. Again, it's never too late to do the right thing. This man has learned and has adjusted his actions accordingly.

FWIW, the "vaccines" we all received from our well-intentioned parents, who thought they were doing the right thing (many motivated by the aforementioned enemy's fear and guilt), and those "vaccines" we voluntarily received later in life, and even those vaccines we then gave to our children, are BIOWEAPONS. They introduce cancer and a host of other maladies, and shorten one's lifespan. BigPharma has had a stranglehold on both the methods to cure AND the methods to mind control the population. These perps are into social engineering, conditioning us how to think and act, to the point where we behave as if we have done the hard hards, all while remaining ignorant in our self-deception; witness several posts in this thread.

"Authority" is not truth. Truth is Authority.

 

[backNforth]

The perp's MSM makes it difficult for us to find the truth. Here's an easy-to-use site that allows you to navigate, and search with confidence, the info contained in the government's VAERS Covid Vax Records:

VAERS: Adverse Events After Covid Vaccine

Covid19 Vaccine AE Tracking & Report Generating Tool

vaxpain.us

 

[joestue]

friend of mine got covid a month or so after his folks got it, march of 2020.

he can't run 12 miles anymore, his heart rate spikes to unsafe and painful levels after 2-3 miles.
there are a lot of folks like him, those issues clear up after he gets the vaccine.

sadly, many play games presuming God will heal them

 

[Brad Huber]

friend of mine got covid a month or so after his folks got it, march of 2020.

he can't run 12 miles anymore, his heart rate spikes to unsafe and painful levels after 2-3 miles.
there are a lot of folks like him, those issues clear up after he gets the vaccine.

sadly, many play games presuming God will heal them

Sadly people only believe what they want. There is plenty of evidence that the vaccines can have adverse side effects, and no evidence that there is no long term problem that will show up later due to it. Say some example of people getting it, and it being bad, and the vaccine clears it up. First of all, thats not a clear indicator of a problem with covid19, you are not a doctor, and me and my wife both got it "before" the covid19" (not some friends parents, second hand errors) officially came out. Mine was like a bad case of the flu, but had ALL the symptoms that covid19 has. My wife is over 70 with breathing problems, she got it and it was a bit worse with her, but she just stayed home and it was over in about 1 1/2 days except for a lingering cough for another week. Both couldnt smell well afterwords but that came back after about a month. Strangely enough, deceases affect different people in different ways... in nearly ALL deceases. Act fearful of covid 19 and accept the flu as no big deal. Do what you want, you will regardless, but those with any discernment will see this whole scenario for what it is, and its not paranoia, even though you hope it is.

 

[Mayflower]

If it is fully fda approved and mandated to take, I will probably go ahead and take it. I do not believe it is the mark of the beast denying God, and believe God can protect me from a vaccine just as much as the covid itself, so I'll follow the mandates.

I think a couple states had thought of submitting paperwork for full approval, so I will just watch to see what happens with it. My husband's job is paying those who take the shots $500 per shot. People are putting a lot of faith in these vaccines. I believe there is nothing wrong in asking questions and being wise with waiting. About 80 percent has had side effects from the vaccines. Just seems a bit high. And it is on emergency, because the amount of people tested were not enough. So the ones taking it right now, are the test group...

I am not a strong yes or no as of this point. I am not comfortable with taking it for any amount of money though and my husband is not either.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Greetings everyone

Thank you for all your responses.
We have both ends of the spectrum and those who sit in the middle.

Should Christians be divided on these matter?

What does the Bible say?
As our lamp and guide we should surely find the answer therein?

What verses would support the vaccine?

 

[Mayflower]

Greetings everyone

Thank you for all your responses.
We have both ends of the spectrum and those who sit in the middle.

Should Christians be divided on these matter?

What does the Bible say?
As our lamp and guide we should surely find the answer therein?

What verses would support the vaccine?

What comes to mind is this here, and why I would probably take it if mandated.

Despite what people think about President Biden, I do believe there was something seriously wrong about this last election, he is still our leader as well as other government leaders. They are God appointed. I think times like this show that. But scripture says this:

"Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor."
Romans 13:1‭-‬7 NASB1995

 

[Mayflower]

This is what I stand on as far as the virus and if I have to take the vaccine in the future. I do not believe either decision concerning the virus is against the Lord.

"Those who live in the shelter of the Most High will find rest in the shadow of the Almighty. This I declare about the Lord: He alone is my refuge, my place of safety; he is my God, and I trust him. For he will rescue you from every trap and protect you from deadly disease. He will cover you with his feathers. He will shelter you with his wings. His faithful promises are your armor and protection. Do not be afraid of the terrors of the night, nor the arrow that flies in the day. Do not dread the disease that stalks in darkness, nor the disaster that strikes at midday."
Psalms 91:1‭-‬6 NLT

 

[JerryfromMass]

This is what I stand on as far as the virus and if I have to take the vaccine in the future. I do not believe either decision concerning the virus is against the Lord.

"Those who live in the shelter of the Most High will find rest in the shadow of the Almighty. This I declare about the Lord: He alone is my refuge, my place of safety; he is my God, and I trust him. For he will rescue you from every trap and protect you from deadly disease. He will cover you with his feathers. He will shelter you with his wings. His faithful promises are your armor and protection. Do not be afraid of the terrors of the night, nor the arrow that flies in the day. Do not dread the disease that stalks in darkness, nor the disaster that strikes at midday."
Psalms 91:1‭-‬6 NLT

Measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, polio, the flu. Here in the US none are forced to take shots against any of these. Covid-19 is being treated by msm and the global elite as the black plague. Why? There is an underlying motive to have everyone injected that is being kept secret, and it can only be sinister.

 

[Hekuran]

Measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, polio, the flu. Here in the US none are forced to take shots against any of these. Covid-19 is being treated by msm and the global elite as the black plague. Why? There is an underlying motive to have everyone injected that is being kept secret, and it can only be sinister.

Maybe in the face of nearly 4m deaths worldwide despite national lockdowns ... effective vaccines are being strongly pushed because they are a chance to slow and end the catastrophic loss of life.

That would be an honourable motive, not sinister.

 

[PloughBoy]

For I'm PloughBoy; ( Philippians 1)NLT
"For to me, living means living for Christ, and dying is even better."

To take it, or reject it, in times like these, does it really matter.

( Philippians 1) BSB
"But if I go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. So what shall I choose? I do not know. I am torn between the two. I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better indeed.…"

I'm a strange person, that live, among a strange group of people. dwelling in a strange land. Oh, how this is true, as the days, grows longer. I am different, more and more as i wait for His return. God knows this is the "Truth" for HE is The one who shapes me, for I am nothing but a piece of clay that HE has placed into HIS hands. LORD, help me, for the "Richness" of HIS grace.

I'm PloughBoy, and I am Carrying the Mail.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

What comes to mind is this here, and why I would probably take it if mandated.

Despite what people think about President Biden, I do believe there was something seriously wrong about this last election, he is still our leader as well as other government leaders. They are God appointed. I think times like this show that. But scripture says this:

"Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor."
Romans 13:1‭-‬7 NASB1995

Mayflower....My body is NOT subject to government authority....I still say what they will put into my body.

 

[JerryfromMass]

Maybe in the face of nearly 4m deaths worldwide despite national lockdowns ... effective vaccines are being strongly pushed because they are a chance to slow and end the catastrophic loss of life.

That would be an honourable motive, not sinister.

I, for one of many, do not buy into the mainstream globalist narrative on the number of deaths attributed solely to Covid-19. The gullible, the naive, the lost and the afraid gobble up and believe as true what the leftist press, corrupt pols, global elites, corrupt medical orgs, et alia, feed them.

 

[backNforth]

Despite what people think about President Biden, I do believe there was something seriously wrong about this last election, he is still our leader as well as other government leaders. They are God appointed.

"God appointed"???

In Romans 13, does verse 1 say, ‘let every soul be subject unto all governments’? Or does it say, "let every soul (including governing authorities such as Biden, kings, judges, police, etc.) be subject unto the higher powers"? Who do souls belong to? God says:

Ezekiel 18:4, "Behold, all souls are mine."

And the second part of verse 1 tells us who “the higher powers” is: "...For there is no power but of God".

The souls of the governmental powers belong to God, and they are not the higher powers, the higher powers are held by Christ himself (Matthew 28:18). Is our Lord not the higher power, then, if all power has been committed unto him (John 17:2)? Christ is the governor among the nations (Psalms 22:28). All power over earthly kings has been given unto him (Romans 14:9). All judgment has been given unto him (John 5:22, 27). Notice the separation of power in Romans 13:1. All power comes from, and belongs to, God (Psalm 62:11) and not the one exercising it. And remember that most men, especially those constituting the "governing authorities," usually deny that power given to Jesus (2 Timothy 3:2, 5):

“For men shall be...Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."

It is this very smugness that has resulted in the terrible bind we find ourselves in today.

The problem remains: most do not distinguish righteous government from unrighteous pretenders. Romans 13 is ALL ABOUT righteous government; it gives no life to the unclean thing.

I think times like this show that. But scripture says this:

"Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor."

This passage has been repeatedly and historically employed as a red herring for so long, that it beggars the effort to rebut the tactic yet again. But for the sake of the those reading here, I will do so once more.

There's only one Lawgiver, and the government is on his shoulders. And this would be GODLY government - not the counterfeit most ignorantly insist we should serve today.

In reply to the blind opinion that all kings, princes, and governments are set up and "ordained" by God, we will quote the following passage, which is spoken into the ears of Hosea by God Almighty himself. We pray that those who have eyes to see and ears to hear will no longer engage in such opinions:

They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not. (Hos 8:4)

Also,

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. (Psa 2:1-3)

There's no Godly ordination there.

When scripture speaks of obeying and submitting ourselves to those who have the rule over us, God’s word is not talking about heathen governments, but those "rulers" within Jesus Christ's assembly. Notice carefully this verse says these rulers (i.e. “them that have the rule over you”) "watch for your souls" (Heb. 13:17). Governments of men cannot govern or watch for anyone's souls, for they can only govern outward acts, not the inward being. But true spiritual leaders do watch for our souls.

Those who "have the rule over you" at Hebrews 13:17 is specifically defined a few verses earlier in Hebrews 13:7, "Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation

As we can see, scripture itself defines these "rulers" as those who speak the word of God and have faith. Conversely, secular governments avoid, and often forbid, speaking the word of God within their system through outlawing prayer in their schools and replacing it with such unrighteousness as "the theory of evolution," by taking down the "Ten Commandments" from their courtrooms, and by legalizing gambling, abortion, prostitution, euthanasia, and same-sex marriage. These are not the rulers we are to submit to.

I'm a strange person, that live, among a strange group of people. dwelling in a strange land.

Indeed, true followers of Christ are strangers, sojourners in a land they're not even citizens of.

Concerning the OP:

I’m not taking any “vaccine,” and the majority still has not, either. I continue to avoid the unclean thing like the deadly plague it is.

Those who do not stand for something, will fall for anything. While the sheeple are being incentivized by fear (a demon) and money, the perps are being incentivized by power.

All the low hanging fruit has been harvested. Present indications are pointing to the start of the “kinetic” phase of this injection debacle, with the escalation of in-your-face fascism i.e. force.

Do what you want, you will regardless, but those with any discernment will see this whole scenario for what it is, and its not paranoia, even though you hope it is.

Indeed. My group is beyond the point of trying to rescue people who are running into a burning MSM building. Given our change in priority, we’ve been flat-out, helping the un-jabbed and their families prepare for both the offensive of the perps and the transfections from the jabbed. Community is essential in this battle.

I, for one of many, do not buy into the mainstream globalist narrative on the number of deaths attributed solely to Covid-19. The gullible, the naive, the lost and the afraid gobble up and believe as true what the leftist press, corrupt pols, global elites, corrupt medical orgs, et alia, feed them.

Tragic, but accurate. There are those who actually pursue the truth at all costs, and those who cling to comfort and are in complete denial at all costs. Which are you?

There’s much activity at this end. Let’s brainstorm this together. Meanwhile, “Because lawlessness shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.” -- Mat. 24:12. Don’t let that that happen to you.

It's tIme to break the spell and get set free:

Turn off your MSM TV, get on your knees, and ask the Lord to show you the truth of the matter. [Without,] there is no conspiracy, only ignorance and death.

I love you, my brothers and sisters!

 

[joestue]

All the low hanging fruit has been harvested

indeed, medically, all the low hanging fruit has been harvested.

And that is what makes a virus that might kill .5 to 2% of the planet, a priority.

200 years ago, Christians didn't know any different when ~30% of their children died before the age of 5, because that happened to everyone. I'm sure they prayed for them like anyone else did, and perhaps there is statistically a slightly higher survivability among Christians than others.. but perhaps most of that is simply because they love their children and provide higher standards of care than average, because they do in fact Love their children where as the ungodly. sometimes they don't even know what love is and treat their offspring as a liability.

i digress.
about 3% of children are born with birth defects that will kill them if not fixed. the other 3% of birth defects will cripple them in various ways for life if not fixed. about half of them worldwide don't get surgery. the other half die. sadly, this is just a statistic and is disregarded. who prays the autism away these days? where is that testimony? i haven't heard any*. don't think the Israelites were immune. do you think all their children lived? of course not, why would there be a promise (in the torah iirc) that not one of their children would be still born if they kept all the commandments.. if all of them lived. do you really think that in this age we are any different?

I don't know of a single Christian who didn't immediately take their child to the hospital to get birth defects corrected so that their child would live.

but you won't take a vaccine which may kill .5 to 2% of this planet by the time everyone has gotten it, or gotten multiple variants of it; if the current mutations escape the vaccine's antibodies or your prior antibodies.
and suppose you find out on the day of judgement that you were asymptomatic and had already gotten it and passed it on! while arrogantly declaring God kept you from getting sick!

*in the 3 years on reddit i have only found only one person who has an autism related testimony. he was baby sitting an autistic child.
said the Holy Spirit clouded his mind, couldn't think, etc brought him to his knees.. and when he asked "what is happening" he heard "this is what that girl is experiencing unless you pray for her"

let me give another analogy.

imagine you and your father's fathers drink from a well that kills 2% of people that drink from it. but you and family have immunity.
because 30% of your children die before 5 years, you never notice that 2% of them died because they didn't have immunity.
instead you presume its because God protected you and your family.

will God hold you guiltless for not warning the traveler that stops by that about 1 out of 50 people die after drinking the water?

 

[backNforth]

[Christians] love their children and provide higher standards of care than average, because they do in fact Love their children where as the ungodly. sometimes they don't even know what love is and treat their offspring as a liability.

That is false. Matthew chapter 5 and elsewhere bear witness that the heathen love theirs as much as we love ours.

And that is what makes a virus that might kill .5 to 2% of the planet, a priority.

What virus? It's never been isolated; it's never even been seen! IOW, IT DOESN'T EXIST.

Death is an enemy (Rev. 6:8; 20:14; et al ). If ONE injection causes death, it is not of God. Two wrongs don't make a right. Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one. (Job 14:4)

However, the FEAR demon does exist (2 Tim. 1:78), and that is what the entirety of your post presumes. And presumption is a sin (Deu. 17:12-13, et al ).

 

[BunnyOnion]

There is lots of debate around the safety of the Covid Vaccine

There are lots of theories around about what it contains - magnetism etc

There is lots of pressure to get the vaccine even in Australia where Covid cases have been very low

Should Christians be getting the vaccine?

If so why?

And if not why not?

Blessings Grace and Peace to you all in these last dark days.

I don't think anyone, not just Christians, should get the vaccine.

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Before this plandemic mRNA vaccine was studied in numerous for decades in labs worldwide. It was never approved for the public until now.

 

[backNforth]

It was never approved for the public until now.

It's still not Approved because it has never met the standards for Approved. IOW, it has NEVER been proven to be "safe and effective." So anyone who parrots that line is lying. It has only been "Authorized", as it is an experimental gene therapy Authorized under emergency use only.

 

[BunnyOnion]

It's still not Approved because it has never met the standards for Approved. IOW, it has NEVER been proven to be "safe and effective." So anyone who parrots that line is lying. It has only been "Authorized", as it is an experimental gene therapy Authorized under emergency use only.

True. Which is why it is free.

Also, there can be no compulsory order to get the shots , government nor employer, because it is an experimental vaccine. This safeguard for our liberty is referred to as the Nuremberg Code.

 

[backNforth]

Also, there can be no compulsory order to get the shots , government nor employer, because it is an experimental vaccine. This safeguard for our liberty is referred to as the Nuremberg Code.

Yep. So we better be certain who we're giving our obeisance to! This is truly "No man can serve two masters" time!

They will make it very hard, economically, to refuse. Those who choose not to be injected will be excluded from the commercial marketplace, essentially prevented from participating in "normal" society at large. Are you prepared for that eventuality?