Should Christians get the Covid Vaccine?

[Brad Huber]

You're not following the argument. I was responding to your claim in post 84 that doctors are incentivised to over report covid deaths.

There isn't a billing system for healthcare in the UK. The vast majority is centrally funded through taxation.

Well I certainly have never understood how your free health care works. They have the much the same in canada and often have to wait a long time for service, much like our VA healthcare system (the closest thing to free health care, but only for the military and ex military with honorable discharges). I know lots of people from canada come here if they have the money to pay. I know I have heard stories of people dying while waiting months or more for critically needed medical help. Being ex military and using the va sometimes, I can tell you they do billing, and the doctors never handle it, they bill my medical insurance for some, bill me for some, and eat the rest. It is cheaper than private medical care, but severly lacking in timeliness and quality. After waiting for nearly 6 months for an ear test, they cancelled my appt, told me to reschedule, wasnt able to do so over the phone, had to show up at the local va clinic, and told that its hard to say how long I would have to wait, perhaps 3 months maybe more, just put in a request for as soon as available. Its getting harder and harder to hear people, that was 2 weeks ago, never got any notice of "any" appt, not even years later. The va has an unwritten policy of waiting until the patient dies to clear up its wait times. I had went to a private doctor before that and was told that my insurance wont pay for it, and it would be very very expensive, and was recommended to go va. Private healthcare here is all about pay a whole lot for anything out of the ordinary, and charge several hundred dollars just to be seen for less than 5 minutes and a prescription written (which you also pay for) which may or may not deal with the problem.

 

[backNforth]

To what cause do you attribute the worldwide excess deaths?

There are no "worldwide excess deaths" (yet!). But, thousands have died from the shot - the true number of which is constantly being suppressed.

 

[Hekuran]

There are no "worldwide excess deaths" (yet!). But, thousands have died from the shot - the true number of which is constantly being suppressed.

HI @backNforth How did you come to those conclusions?

The data I can see shows a sharp rise in deaths last year

Excess Mortality across Countries in 2020 | The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine

www.cebm.net

The chart show that for some Scandinavian countries - Iceland, Finland Norway and Denmark - and South Korea there were fewer deaths than expected.

The USA had 12.9% more deaths last year than in the previous five. Not as bad as Chile or Poland.

 

[backNforth]

HI @backNforth How did you come to those conclusions?

The data I can see shows a sharp rise in deaths last year

No one has ever isolated that so-called virus, no has has a sample of it, no one has ever seen it... We know ppl are not dying from that imaginary boogeyman.

Meanwhile, the perps have been called out left and right on their obfuscations and ongoing attempts to hide the body count of thousands killed and damaged by the injection -- not by any "virus."

You need to be very careful with who you listen to. Before you post "data," you must take the time to chase down who is behind their claims; follow the money. The power of the lie is strong (but MY God is omnipotent!), so you gotta get wisdom (pray for it, at all costs). No cherry picking, no believing every demonic fear-filled thing you hear every 5 minutes over and over again on the telly. I'll give you a tip that will change your life: if you wanna get smart, turn off the TV, for good. Betcha can't do it! I rest my case.

The following was taken from THEIR OWN WEBSITE: A department at London's University of Oxford set up your cited CEBM's "Oxford COVID 19 Evidence Service," along with it's professor, Carl Heneghan. The lead writer is Ufuk Parild, a third year medical student. Quote: "Here, we provide updated estimates of excess mortality rates overall of 2020, standardised to a reference population... using an alternative web-based application that we've built."

Again, follow the money. IOW, it's a damage-control piece, an admitted "service," which was funded by David Willetts. You can follow up on that interesting Round Table player here--> David Willetts - Wikipedia

"Trust...but verify."

 

[Hekuran]

No one has ever isolated that so-called virus, no has has a sample of it, no one has ever seen it... We know ppl are not dying from that imaginary boogeyman.

Meanwhile, the perps have been called out left and right on their obfuscations and ongoing attempts to hide the body count of thousands killed and damaged by the injection -- not by any "virus."

You need to be very careful with who you listen to. Before you post "data," you must take the time to chase down who is behind their claims; follow the money. The power of the lie is strong (but MY God is omnipotent!), so you gotta get wisdom (pray for it, at all costs). No cherry picking, no believing every demonic fear-filled thing you hear every 5 minutes over and over again on the telly. I'll give you a tip that will change your life: if you wanna get smart, turn off the TV, for good. Betcha can't do it! I rest my case.

The following was taken from THEIR OWN WEBSITE: A department at London's University of Oxford set up your cited CEBM's "Oxford COVID 19 Evidence Service," along with it's professor, Carl Heneghan. The lead writer is Ufuk Parild, a third year medical student. Quote: "Here, we provide updated estimates of excess mortality rates overall of 2020, standardised to a reference population... using an alternative web-based application that we've built."

Again, follow the money. IOW, it's a damage-control piece, an admitted "service," which was funded by David Willetts. You can follow up on that interesting Round Table player here--> David Willetts - Wikipedia

"Trust...but verify."

Ok. But that doesn't describe how you arrived at your conclusions. What led you to the belief that there have been no deaths from covid? And similarly, what's behind your belief that the vaccine will be the cause of many deaths?

 

[Brother-Paul]

Would you put something into your body, that is made using parts of aborted babies? I will not! I don't know if that is called cannibalism but I will not contribute to murder.

Do you have adequate proof regarding your comments?

 

[Brother-Paul]

@backNforth

Your comments are very interesting, I see you have been a member for about 1 month, you also do not dis lose anything about yourself or your faith in God if you have one.

This member limits who may view their full profile.

You are not open about yourself, therefore it would appear your mission is just your message.

Forgive me if I am wrong, I share what I see, but do not see much.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Do you have adequate proof regarding your comments?

CDC Admits Vaccines Contain 'Aborted Human Fetus Cells'

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2020/PHdata/Tmy/2020HB-05044-R000219-Wrinn%2015,%20Chris-TMY.PDF

You can start your search here.

 

[BunnyOnion]

During the 2016 presidential election campaigning period both the Republicans and Democrats employed the services of campaign Internet Trolls.
These Trolls mission was to join social media platforms, forums with political discussion boards, in order to slur the opposite party and their platform.

This same tactic is also employed by pharmaceutical companies and public profile vaccine $ponsors.
It's a campaign of sorts dedicated to fomenting "positive" social norms. I.E the next stage of societal concession.

One forum I'm familiar with because I know the company and its employee who conceded to participate in this undertaking, invented a cover story behind his heavy promotion of the mRNA vaccine.

He claimed his wife worked for a pharmaceutical company. Then he would proceed to post from the platform of that "personally informed, through his "wife", on that fiction to counter any and all members concerns or objections to the Covid-19 vaccine.
Even claiming he will happily get vaccinated himself.

And why not? He receives a tax exempt bonus for that stage of overtime from the Pharma company that employs him. Who is actually single.
He even starts sock accounts, using a VPN, to have other members on social media and in forums agree with him. And claim they too were vaccinated.

Now, I would say when that level of effort is expended to promote to a gullible demographic to concede to getting the shots, that something very dark is behind it all.

The future and time will tell.

 

[Mayflower]

Do you have adequate proof regarding your comments?

There are a couple other well known vaccinations with Hek cells in them... Rubella and hepatitis a...

This is actually what it is, which I still do not agree with.

You asked, we answered: Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells?

Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells?

www.nebraskamed.com

 

[Brother-Paul]

CDC Admits Vaccines Contain 'Aborted Human Fetus Cells'

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2020/PHdata/Tmy/2020HB-05044-R000219-Wrinn%2015,%20Chris-TMY.PDF

You can start your search here.

There are a couple other well known vaccinations with Hek cells in them... Rubella and hepatitis a...

This is actually what it is, which I still do not agree with.

You asked, we answered: Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells?

Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells?

www.nebraskamed.com

Thank you for the link @Mayflower

Following on from your link I include this as it refers to an article mentioned by another earlier

Does the covid vaccine alter human DNA

 

[Mayflower]

Thank you for the link @Mayflower

Following on from your link I include this as it refers to an article mentioned by another earlier

Does the covid vaccine alter human DNA

I think they are two different things personally, since hek cells were my concern before covid came out. I had all my vaccines done as a child, so I was disturbed by the hek cells deriving from an aborted fetus. Thousands of years or not, that still bothers me. I do not know enough to conclude if the vaccine altering human DNA. I am keeping it in mind in my decision. I'm waiting to see if it gets fully fda approved soon. Right now there is no liability from vaccine companies for long term effects and there has been complications in some.

I think God can protect with a vaccine or without one, but I think being wise and not rushing decisions are important. There is a push on both sides with equally important points. I do not believe it is a mark of the beast, but I am not in the danger group either.

 

[Brother-Paul]

I think they are two different things personally, since hek cells were my concern before covid came out. I had all my vaccines done as a child, so I was disturbed by the hek cells deriving from an aborted fetus. Thousands of years or not, that still bothers me. I do not know enough to conclude if the vaccine altering human DNA. I am keeping it in mind in my decision. I'm waiting to see if it gets fully fda approved soon. Right now there is no liability from vaccine companies for long term effects and there has been complications in some.

I think God can protect with a vaccine or without one, but I think being wise and not rushing decisions are important. There is a push on both sides with equally important points. I do not believe it is a mark of the beast, but I am not in the danger group either.

Any use of Aborted Fetus has to be of grave concern, along with the massive number of abortions which are taken for granted as acceptable in the current day and age, my doctors, medics at all levels and the public.

I do not believe it is a mark of the Beast, but the whole word is on edge, no one trusts no one, I wonder why.

O come Lord Jesus

 

[backNforth]

Ok. But that doesn't describe how you arrived at your conclusions. What led you to the belief that there have been no deaths from covid? And similarly, what's behind your belief that the vaccine will be the cause of many deaths?

I have no belief about that. The perps themselves e.g. CDC stats presently admit the following vaccine deaths:

UK 1,047 deaths
Aus 303 deaths
USA 5,888 deaths
Europe 12,184 deaths

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COVID-19 Vaccine Adverse Drug Reactions

13,867 DEAD
1,354,336 Injuries Through June 05, 2021

COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE MODERNA (CX-024414)
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE PFIZER BIONTECH
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE ASTRAZENECA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19)
COVID-19 VACCINE JANSSEN (AD26 COV2 S)

“EudraVigilance – European database of suspected adverse drug reaction reports

The European Medicines Agency publishes these data so that its stakeholders, including the general public, can access information that European regulatory authorities use to review the safety of a medicine or active substance. Transparency is a key guiding principle of the Agency.”

Have a look around. These stats are somewhat dated, 3-6 months old. The present count is, of course, higher:

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Your comments are very interesting, I see you have been a member for about 1 month, you also do not dis lose anything about yourself or your faith in God if you have one.

This member limits who may view their full profile.

Forgive me if I am wrong, I share what I see, but do not see much.

backNforth
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...it would appear your mission is just your message.

I hope so.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Well, here's one for you....You cannot be forced to get the vaccine...Today I got a call, they're putting me, because of my health, into a kennel....Ok Its supportive living. But I have to be vaccinated or I cannot go in...If I do not go in, my wife's health can crater too because she is my caregiver....So my choice is gone, and I am forced to take the vaccine? There is NOTHING honest in this world. Nothing at all.
Because of my health, if I get the shot, I'll probably die. I'm not ready to die...I still have too much to do, and like any normal human, I don't want to die....I feel raped.

 

[Mayflower]

Well, here's one for you....You cannot be forced to get the vaccine...Today I got a call, they're putting me, because of my health, into a kennel....Ok Its supportive living. But I have to be vaccinated or I cannot go in...If I do not go in, my wife's health can crater too because she is my caregiver....So my choice is gone, and I am forced to take the vaccine? There is NOTHING honest in this world. Nothing at all.
Because of my health, if I get the shot, I'll probably die. I'm not ready to die...I still have too much to do, and like any normal human, I don't want to die....I feel raped.

I'd get a lawyer right away and fight it.

 

[backNforth]

Well, here's one for you....You cannot be forced to get the vaccine...

That's the power of free will choice, so exercise yours wisely. At the moment, the "vax" cannot be forced because it is still under EUA Emergency Use Authorization. IOW, it's not Approved. BUT, if and when they decide to change that language to Approved, then they might use might...

Remember also how we as believers must be overcomers. And how do we do that? --> And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

But I have to be vaccinated or I cannot go in...

At least you have the benefit of knowing up front, the answer has been made obvious: do not take any injection.

If I do not go in, my wife's health can crater too because she is my caregiver....

The truth is, she could "crater" this evening. We don't have tomorrow; we only have right here, right now. Anything more is presumptuous and a sin.

So my choice is gone, and I am forced to take the vaccine?

No, you still have choice. Again, that's the power of free will choice, so exercise yours wisely.

Because of my health, if I get the shot, I'll probably die.

Yes, and taking that shot would be a sin unto death, because you know better. You life is not your own to do with as you please; you were bought with a price.

I'm not ready to die...

Your honesty is refreshing; what you seek is courage. Ask, and the Master will give liberally.

I still have too much to do, and like any normal human, I don't want to die....I feel raped.

Yeah, well, I too am going to try to make dying the last thing I do! But at the end of the day, it's not my (or your) call, is it?

Remember that death, according to God's word, is an enemy. To willingly give up to it is a sin (unless it comes down to either you or your brother, in which case, it's more noble to give up yours for his).

Also, remember that the day of your death is better than the day of your birth! Ecc 7:1 because we as believers go on to glory!

I'd get a lawyer right away and fight it.

That lawyer got his sheepskin from the same authority who would kill us.

I'd get Jesus and let him fight it. Meanwhile, I have peace, as it's HIS call now. Redeem the time by telling EVERYONE around you what Jesus has done for them.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

That's the power of free will choice, so exercise yours wisely. At the moment, the "vax" cannot be forced because it is still under EUA Emergency Use Authorization. IOW, it's not Approved. BUT, if and when they decide to change that language to Approved, then they might use might...

Remember also how we as believers must be overcomers. And how do we do that? --> And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.


At least you have the benefit of knowing up front, the answer has been made obvious: do not take any injection.


The truth is, she could "crater" this evening. We don't have tomorrow; we only have right here, right now. Anything more is presumptuous and a sin.


No, you still have choice. Again, that's the power of free will choice, so exercise yours wisely.


Yes, and taking that shot would be a sin unto death, because you know better. You life is not your own to do with as you please; you were bought with a price.


Your honesty is refreshing; what you seek is courage. Ask, and the Master will give liberally.


Yeah, well, I too am going to try to make dying the last thing I do! But at the end of the day, it's not my (or your) call, is it?

Remember that death, according to God's word, is an enemy. To willingly give up to it is a sin (unless it comes down to either you or your brother, in which case, it's more noble to give up yours for his).

Also, remember that the day of your death is better than the day of your birth! Ecc 7:1 because we as believers go on to glory!


That lawyer got his sheepskin from the same authority who would kill us.

I'd get Jesus and let him fight it. Meanwhile, I have peace, as it's HIS call now. Redeem the time by telling EVERYONE around you what Jesus has done for them.

Your reply is foolish, and religious.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Your reply is foolish, and religious.

For anyone who wants to give advice while knowing nothing of what my wife and I deal with....Take a look and then tell me how I can stay home and have a healthy wife...

Each person with LBD is different in terms of which symptoms they have in the beginning. The most common symptoms include changes in thinking, behavior, movement, and sleep.

• Dementia refers to a significant decline in thinking ability. With LBD it affects memory, decision making, problem solving, planning, and abstract or analytical thinking.
• Cognitive fluctuations involve unpredictable changes in concentration, alertness or attention.
• Parkinson’s-like symptoms include slowness of movement, rigidity or stiffness, shuffling gait, tremors, and balance problems.
• Behavioral changesinclude hallucinations, delusions or changes in mood.
  • Hallucinations are seeing or hearing things that are not really present and can occur in other senses like hearing, touch and smell. If the hallucinations are not disruptive, they may not need to be treated. However, if they are frightening or create challenging behavioral changes, your physician may recommend treatment.
  • Delusions (false beliefs) and paranoia (unwarranted suspicions) can occur, sometimes alone or in response to threatening hallucinations.
  • Changes in mood, including depression, anxiety, and apathy, are extremely common in LBD and may significantly affect your quality of life. Your doctor may recommend treating depression with certain classes of antidepressants.
• Sleep disorders include REM sleep behavior disorder (RBD), excessive daytime sleepiness, temporary loss of consciousness with difficulties wakening, insomnia, and restless leg syndrome. These sleep problems can be subtle and hard to diagnose. Evaluation by a sleep specialist can help identify and treat these issues. RBD involves acting out dreams and may result in injuries from hitting bed partners or falling out of bed. Symptoms of RBD may appear years before any of the other symptoms of LBD.
• Autonomic symptoms are common in LBD. The autonomic nervous system controls many involuntary functions. Problems with temperature and blood pressure regulation can occur, as well as constipation, urinary incontinence, and sexual dysfunction. Low blood pressure can cause dizziness and fainting when a person stands from a sitting or lying position too quickly.

My wife is my caregiver, and believe me, I need a caregiver....How do you recommend she maintains her health?

 

[backNforth]

I'm not ready to die...I still have too much to do, and like any normal human, I don't want to die....I feel raped.

It's time to be proactive, not reactive.

My wife is my caregiver, and believe me, I need a caregiver....How do you recommend she maintains her health?

You're asking the wrong question.