Should we not Preach against "Fornication" and "Adultery" strongly in the Body of Christ and confirm those who commit such will go to HELL

[PloughBoy]

So what's the deadline? 12 years? 7 years? 1 year?

He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.​

(Luke 13:6-9 KJV)​

I guess it's 4 years, eh??

Rhema

PS: Maybe in those 20 years, nobody dunged him.

PPS: Who are you dunging?

(Mark 11)ESV
Jesus Curses the Fig Tree
"On the following day, when they came from Bethany, he was hungry. ..And seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to see if he could find anything on it. When he came to it, he found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs...And he said to it, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard it.

 

[Rhema]

you must be born again to enter the kingdom if you are not born again by the time you die you will not enter the kingdom,,,,,,,no one practicing sin is born again. trees that do not bare good fruit are thrown into the fire..

Your reply ignores the question.
You gave a twenty year time limit.
The orchard owner gave four years. (With dunging.)
Who ya gonna dung?

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

(Mark 11)ESV
Jesus Curses the Fig Tree
"On the following day, when they came from Bethany, he was hungry. ..And seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to see if he could find anything on it. When he came to it, he found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs...And he said to it, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard it.

At least try for the right ballpark... Wisdom doesn't lie in doing a random quote of verses with the word fig in it.

Rhema

 

[Gregoryp]

I know you right, I was hitting on everything that had a dress on in church, as a kid, Grown church women, looking at those big legs and hips, rubbing up against them, They called us "mannish boys" LOL You little Mannish, you better stop that! The girls be saying, why do nobody rub against me.
Church girls was easy. They chase you! But the Grown woman, be kissing you, hugging you, placing your head on their chest! Lip stick on your face, come here give me a kiss Wearing those tight skirts. We were a mess, as little boys in church! And On our way to heaven. Help us JESUS! We had those church women jumping up, who did that We was nothing but little devils! When we went to church, we was not looking for Jesus.

King James Bible (Romans 10:20)
But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

New King James Version
But Isaiah is very bold and says: “I was found by those who did not seek Me; I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”

We were not looking for JESUS we was looking at "Sookie"!

The meaning of the name "Sookie"
"Sookie, also written 'Sukey' or 'Suki', is a variant of the name Susan or Susannah, from Hebrew שׁוֹשַׁנָּה (Shoshána) meaning "rose" or "lily." Most famously, the name occurs in the English nursery rhyme "Polly Put the Kettle On."

PS... So no one gets the wrong idea what it means. They used that name a lot in church where i went. A southern name.

just be aware, if your not attracted to women, your either gay or have a serious mental issue that needs addressing. Those breasts etc are only body parts , remember that. But looking at an attractive woman is perfectly normal and natural, dont overthink to much.

 

[Dave M]

Practice is a voluntary choice. Addiction is not.

Rhema

addiction is sin, unless one stops living in sin they will not enter the kingdom,

 

[Dave M]

Your reply ignores the question.
You gave a twenty year time limit.
The orchard owner gave four years. (With dunging.)
Who ya gonna dung?

Rhema

have a good weekend, I am done,

you can not see what I type, some will understand some wont.

 

[PloughBoy]

At least try for the right ballpark... Wisdom doesn't lie in doing a random quote of verses with the word fig in it.

Rhema

i have no idea what you are talking about, every serious student of the Bible knows that verses in translations are not authoritative or "Divinely Inspired ". "Biblical Introduction 101".

 

[PloughBoy]

just be aware, if your not attracted to women, your either gay or have a serious mental issue that needs addressing. Those breasts etc are only body parts , remember that. But looking at an attractive woman is perfectly normal and natural, dont overthink to much.

I thank God I was born "yester-year". Because "Maybelline" and "Christian Dior" and "Science" are doing wonders for ?men" boys. You might wake up after getting married and find out, it wasn't Sherry, you consummated, behold it was "Billy"

 

[Rhema]

addiction is sin,

That's quite a statement. ... All smokers got to hell ?

you can not see what I type, some will understand some wont.

I see what you type, you just don't ever type scripture. Does that mean you think we are followers of you?

Rhema

PS: Remember, a question IS a question.
(It's not a statement of faith in the form of a question.)

 

[Rhema]

i have no idea what you are talking about,

Well ain't that the truth.

...every serious student of the Bible knows that verses in translations are not authoritative or "Divinely Inspired ". "Biblical Introduction 101".

First, that's why I decided to learn Greek to read the initial monographs back when I was 14 (decades ago).

Second, what does translation have to do with you conflating two separate teachings that use the fig tree as an example?

The parable of dunging the fig tree has nothing to do with Jesus' curse of a completely different fig tree.

So there's that,
Rhema

 

[Andyindauk]

Guys, I'm really not happy with some of these posts in this thread, some are close to heresy and that's serious.

I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6‭-‬9 NKJV

The Bible is absolutely clear, there is no ambiguity, we are saved by grace and not by works.

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. John 5:24 NKJV

And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Acts 16:30-31 NKJV

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2:8‭-‬9 NKJV

But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. Titus 3:4‭-‬7 NKJV

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. John 5:24 NKJV

When I took my driving test I knew that there were only two outcomes, pass or fail. You don't get a bronze, silver or gold driving licence, no, you just get a driving licence, that's if you've passed. It's the same when you become a Christian only the test is multiple choice, there's one question - do you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and do you accept Him as your saviour? There's two answers, yes or no. There's two outcomes, saved or unsaved.

I know of no Bible verses that warn you that you can lose your salvation. Yes, you can surrender it and turn your back on it in the same way that Esau gave up his birthright for a bowl of stew Genesis 25:29-34 but there is no code of conduct that if you breach it will result in the loss of your salvation. Jesus died for all our sins, past and future.

So to OP I say, read this verse -

“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5:27‭-‬28 NKJV

So if the answer to your question is yes, then we need to close this forum down because we're all going to Hell! Anyone with a libido has committed that sin, I know I have.

But let me clarify, any believing Christian who sins deliberately, grieves and upsets the God he/she loves, and if you really love God you'll feel pretty awful afterwards and regret, repent, say sorry and ask forgiveness. God will always forgive. If you're in any doubt read Luke 15:11-32. But there's no question of being unadopted as a son of God.

Paul puts it like this-

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Romans 6:1‭-‬4 NKJV

In summary the warning is this - if sin is a big part of your life, do not expect a Spirit fulfilled and joyful life, an incredible experience of God or much in the way of His blessings. You'll not experience the knowledge that God is in control and working for you if you're in constant rebellion with Him.

God bless.

 

[Rhema]

... some are close to heresy and that's serious.

One man's orthodoxy is another man's heresy.

Jesus didn't have anything against works -

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?​

(Luke 6:46 KJV)​

I know of no Bible verses that warn you that you can lose your salvation.

Now you do -

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.​

(Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV)​

If not, then "if they shall fall away" is wasted breath, is it not?

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2:8‭-‬9 NKJV

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?​

(James 2:14 KJV)​

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.​

(James 2:24 KJV)​

Rhema

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

in the context of the verses given:

Now you do -

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.(Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV)

are we not looking at a not-returning to the elemental things but a moving ever forward. The preceding verses/chapters and the following verses and chapters are dealing with something quite different than an isolated 'doctrine' of 'falling away' = losing salvation.

Basically put, once we finish drinking milk and get our teeth into some meat, we do not return to the suckling stage of life. What nourished us once, will not nourish us now [once we have the teeth to chew and begin using them]. Once we have tasted and seen the foundational truth of Salvation, we can not return there to 'start again'... we must press forward and endure all that is on our plate. The Lord has provided the Way and we must continue walking in the Way..... it is never about returning to the start..... as that would be like crucifying the Lord afresh [because it is our looking to Him - as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness - that is our birth, our beginning at milk]. If we read the context, it will become much clearer to see this.

The verses do not state that one can lose their salvation. They are reminding the reader that they/we need to work at the meat with our teeth... the teeth of faith, if i might be so crude to say. Else, why was the point made regarding these things and the general encouragement to the believers given ... to shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end.

food for thought


Bless you ....><>

 

[Andyindauk]

Greetings,

in the context of the verses given:



are we not looking at a not-returning to the elemental things but a moving ever forward. The preceding verses/chapters and the following verses and chapters are dealing with something quite different than an isolated 'doctrine' of 'falling away' = losing salvation.

Basically put, once we finish drinking milk and get our teeth into some meat, we do not return to the suckling stage of life. What nourished us once, will not nourish us now [once we have the teeth to chew and begin using them]. Once we have tasted and seen the foundational truth of Salvation, we can not return there to 'start again'... we must press forward and endure all that is on our plate. The Lord has provided the Way and we must continue walking in the Way..... it is never about returning to the start..... as that would be like crucifying the Lord afresh [because it is our looking to Him - as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness - that is our birth, our beginning at milk]. If we read the context, it will become much clearer to see this.

The verses do not state that one can lose their salvation. They are reminding the reader that they/we need to work at the meat with our teeth... the teeth of faith, if i might be so crude to say. Else, why was the point made regarding these things and the general encouragement to the believers given ... to shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end.

food for thought


Bless you ....><>

Thank you Bear for that clarification, much appreciated.

By way of an off-topic tangent, I want to assure everyone who reads this, that in the Bible there are no contradictions, not even a one. If there were then one of the verses in question would be in error, and there is no error in the Bible which makes it so absolutely believable. There are however several apparent contradictions and Hebrews 6:4-6 and the parable of the prodigal son on first glance do appear to be in contradiction with each other, so thanks again Bear for your ample clarification.

The lesson is, that when you come across two apparently contradictory verses be careful not to just rush in, choosing the version that suits your argument and putting aside the other version. So when you come across an apparent contradiction, that should flash an amber warning light, beware - needs further looking into, prayer, research and meditation. I find a site Bible Search and Study Tools - Blue Letter Bible really helpful. The portion you need to look at most carefully is the one whose initial understanding has little back up and verification from other elsewhere in the Bible.

Our Christian life is a journey, we learn as we grow.

God bless you.

 

[Dave M]

Practice is a voluntary choice. Addiction is not.

You do not become a addict unless you voluntary take that first drink, or unless you voluntary try that first dug,,,

So no addicition is not a disease it is a enslavement to sin,, which only JEsus can set you free,, no other rehab works other then Jesus !!

 

[Dave M]

Your reply ignores the question.
You gave a twenty year time limit.
The orchard owner gave four years. (With dunging.)
Who ya gonna dung?

Rhema

no the time limit is until you are born again how ever long that takes

 

[Rhema]

The verses do not state that one can lose their salvation.

And yet that's exactly what the phrase "If they shall fall away," means. Hadn't you even acknowledged this here?

dealing with something quite different than an isolated 'doctrine' of 'falling away' = losing salvation.

So then you agree that 'falling away' = losing salvation ?? If not, then what possible thing could "falling away" mean ?

are we not looking at a not-returning to the elemental things

The list of "elemental things" are all Judaic. So yes, the topic is about not-returning to a Judaic faith. Look what the author says about those who do return to Judaism, after being saved: it's impossible " If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame " It is Impossible to return.

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,​

(Hebrews 6:4 KJV)​

This is not about a "oh he was never saved to begin with" pretext, as the list of qualifiers is quite specific. These people were:

1. once enlightened
2. have tasted of the heavenly gift
3. were made partakers of the Holy Ghost (you can't get much more saved than that)
4. tasted the good word of God
5. and tasted the powers of the world to come

And what of them ?

If they shall fall away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance;

Their salvation cannot be renewed. One does indeed lose one's salvation, and there's no coming back.

Basically put, once we finish drinking milk and get our teeth into some meat,

The Map is not the terrain, the metaphor is not the truth.

The "Milk" is Judaism. That's the author's audience is it not? The "Hebrews"?

The "Meat" is full blown Christianity. And the people spoken of are those who were indeed saved, but have fallen away.

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.​

(Galatians 5:4 KJV)​

So there's a second verse for y'all.

They are reminding the reader that they/we need to work at the meat with our teeth... the teeth of faith, if i might be so crude to say. Else, why was the point made regarding these things and the general encouragement to the believers given ... to shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end.

Br. Bear, the passage directly speaks of people who have fallen away, and what happens to them.

If "IF" were not possible, then why even waste one's breath?

IF they shall fall away, ... it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance;

It's a strong warning, for something you seem to believe is impossible. The author did not.

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

By way of an off-topic tangent, I want to assure everyone who reads this, that in the Bible there are no contradictions, not even a one.

And by way of an off-tangent answer, there are. There are contradictions in the Bible, but I'll speak of these only in a different thread, if anyone has the desire to deal honestly with this topic.

If there were then one of the verses in question would be in error, and there is no error in the Bible which makes it so absolutely believable.

The black and white mindset that it's ALL true or it's ALL worthless is untenable in light of the overwhelming evidence presented within New Testament studies today. The real question is, "Do the contradictions we see in the Bible make any substantive difference?"

Looking at the manuscript evidence, there are more textual errors in the New Testament documents than there are words in the New Testament.

The lesson is, that when you come across two apparently contradictory verses be careful not to just rush in, choosing the version that suits your argument ...

Well that's easily solvable. Don't use a "version" (translation). Use the Greek texts directly, and the two major corpora of the Greek New Testament manuscripts are NA28 and UBS5, which are now in perfect agreement.

Whether we like it or not, very serious problems cannot be solved in English. As an example, in order to make the New Testament say what Martin Luther wished, he added a word to one verse, and removed a word from another. It's an historical fact. So let's not try to "cover" or make excuses for God, and deal with facts when these are presented. Yes?

I find a site Bible Search and Study Tools - Blue Letter Bible really helpful. The portion you need to look at most carefully is the one whose initial understanding has little back up and verification from other elsewhere in the Bible.

Our Christian life is a journey, we learn as we grow.

And as I've said before, a craftsman is only as good as his tools, so I would encourage everyone to get a copy of this book -

Amazon.com

Keep looking though, and you can find copies much more affordable.

(I'm not your enemy, Andy)
Rhema

PS: I can still applaud the veracity of your faith, if not your facts.

 

[Rhema]

You do not become a addict unless you voluntary take that first drink, or unless you voluntary try that first dug,,,

So no addicition is not a disease it is a enslavement to sin,, which only JEsus can set you free,, no other rehab works other then Jesus !!

I drink Scotch. Does that make me an addict ?

Look again, carefully, at your post. It truly seems to say that enslavement to sin is voluntary.

Rhema
(And where did I ever say it was a disease?)

Upon further reflection, I think I need to add more here. Jesus portrayed sin as a disease. That's why He is at times called the Great Physician.

Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.​

(Mark 2:9-11 KJV)​

 

[Rhema]

no the time limit is until you are born again how ever long that takes

At this point, you can argue with Jesus about it. HIS parable gave a time frame of four years.

Rhema

(So who am I to listen to again?)
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