Bill
Loyal
May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom
How are you my friend? And your wife. I pray for you both
Thankful for the Dead Sea Scrolls but what does their discovery truly mean as evidence ?
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How are you my friend? And your wife. I pray for you both
Brad Huber
Loyal
Thanks. Living our lives, and I pray for you and yours as well.
Bill
Loyal
May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom
I know these are personal messages that everybody can read. Tried to call you a few times, but it's okay.
I'm out of the nursing home now and back at the house, probably four more weeks of Rehabilitation.
I think we are in the calm before the storm - spiritually
bountifulove4
Member
I believe scripture would establish this
“ Messiah “ מָשַׁח “ is the Hebrew word “ Mâshach “ meaning = Anointed / Concentrated
But this word is not an exclusive code word for Jesus Christ himself specifically, in fact, there are times in Biblical history where all of Israel are obedient and they are called themselves as receiving the Anointing / Messiah .
Lev 7:36 Which the LORD commanded to be given them of the children of Israel, in the day that he Messiah / anointed them, by a statute for ever throughout their generations.
Also, Kings, Prophets and Priests are also called the = Messiah
1Sa 26:9 And David said ….. do not destroy Saul …… the LORD'S Messiah = King Saul
The LORD forbid I should stretch forth mine hand against Saul - the LORD'S Messiah = King Saul
Through the Old Testament in over 60 + verses, the Kings, Prophets and Priests are called as the Messiah
- - Lev 4:16 the priest that is Messiah
This Hebrew word is used 100 + total times in the Old Testament referring even to Israel themselves, and to Kings, Priests and Prophets, they also, being themselves “ Messiah / Mâshach “ Anointed / Concentrated.
But in the King James Version the translators take this Hebrew word that is translated over 100 + times as “ Anointed “ by the translators and they change / convert the English word, Anointed, back into Hebrew, as “ Messiah / Mâshach “ 2 total times in the book of Daniel
Dan 9:25 ...to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah ……. :26 ……shall Messiah be cut off ...
This is what the reader sees when they read the King James,
and the Catholic Translation changes the English word Anointed over into the Greek word as Christ in 8 places where they feel it is about Jesus, leaving the other 100 + instances as Anointing.
But this is not how the Old Testament readers understood the passage at the time it was written,
“ Messiah “ מָשַׁח “ is found 100 + times in the Old Testament referring to many, many people in many circumstances and is not a code word orbiting specifically centering strictly upon a coming savior.
The English Translators insert the Greek and Hebrew words “ Messiah “ and “ Christ “ back into the Old Testament when it seems to be referring to Jesus as the “ Messiah / Christ
But the other 100 + times they always translate it into English as simply the Anointing.
So much could be said back and forth, I was not trying to lay claim to judge or know how the Prophets and people understood the passages but simply to show that there was no real understanding of a profound certain expectation that someone like Jesus would come along someday simply based upon the usage of the word “ Messiah “ - - this word applies over 100 + times to everyday people, Priests, Kings, Prophets and even common Hebrew men and women .
We can look at Catholic and Protestant translations and see the Hebrew and Greek words Christ and Messiah inserted where it seems to be about Jesus “ the Anointing “ but this is not the way it was written in Hebrew to show a clear distinction.
furthermore
The Scriptures commend, glorify, give praise and honor to Abraham and Sarah as Godly people who truly did believe in the word of God but still did not fully understand God in every aspect according to his word - but still had faith in God and trusted him
From the plain Hebrew manuscripts can we truly show an example of anyone with the same characteristics as Jesus Christ previously having appeared to the Jews and working in their midst and making claims to be God himself as the “ Messiah “ ?
Does not the scriptures demonstrate that Just as Abraham and Sarah, God will have mercy upon the Jews ?
Rom 11:25 ……. it is a mystery……… that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
:26 all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
:27 For this is my covenant unto them, WHEN I shall take away their sins.
Is it honest to ask the question : ?
Was it also God’s mercy that Abraham and Sarah, in the conception of Isaac, were found honorable and Godly and justified while not fully understanding and fully receiving the real plan of the prophetic word of God through their own limited human understanding …
Rom 4:3 Abraham believed God, and it was acounted / reckoned / thought unto him for righteousness.
In conclusion, we also can look how that Mary and Joseph reacted when they found Mary was pregnant, Mary reacted in complete confusion, even after the Angel appeared unto her explaining everything to her
Luk 1:34 Mary said unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
This was Mary’s reaction, complete shock, fear and confusion, she knew nothing and expected nothing of the nature concerning what the Angel had just explained to her.
The Angel appeared to her and explained everything about the prophecy and the plan of God but yet she is asking = = How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
also - Joseph, also, he was not waiting and watching for a virgin birth and wondering if his new pregnant wife was possibly to bear the “ Messiah “ of prophecy that was so clearly explained in scripture.
Joseph was afraid and living in complete sadness and fright that he was going to have to put away his pregnant fiancée …
I just hope we can see the reality of what God has done in that his plan truly was a mystery and truly hidden, kept secret and it was truly understood as more of a spiritual, symbolic application to Hebrew people reading prophecy .
“ Messiah “ מָשַׁח “ is the Hebrew word “ Mâshach “ meaning = Anointed / Concentrated
But this word is not an exclusive code word for Jesus Christ himself specifically, in fact, there are times in Biblical history where all of Israel are obedient and they are called themselves as receiving the Anointing / Messiah .
Lev 7:36 Which the LORD commanded to be given them of the children of Israel, in the day that he Messiah / anointed them, by a statute for ever throughout their generations.
Also, Kings, Prophets and Priests are also called the = Messiah
1Sa 26:9 And David said ….. do not destroy Saul …… the LORD'S Messiah = King Saul
The LORD forbid I should stretch forth mine hand against Saul - the LORD'S Messiah = King Saul
Through the Old Testament in over 60 + verses, the Kings, Prophets and Priests are called as the Messiah
- - Lev 4:16 the priest that is Messiah
This Hebrew word is used 100 + total times in the Old Testament referring even to Israel themselves, and to Kings, Priests and Prophets, they also, being themselves “ Messiah / Mâshach “ Anointed / Concentrated.
But in the King James Version the translators take this Hebrew word that is translated over 100 + times as “ Anointed “ by the translators and they change / convert the English word, Anointed, back into Hebrew, as “ Messiah / Mâshach “ 2 total times in the book of Daniel
Dan 9:25 ...to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah ……. :26 ……shall Messiah be cut off ...
This is what the reader sees when they read the King James,
and the Catholic Translation changes the English word Anointed over into the Greek word as Christ in 8 places where they feel it is about Jesus, leaving the other 100 + instances as Anointing.
But this is not how the Old Testament readers understood the passage at the time it was written,
“ Messiah “ מָשַׁח “ is found 100 + times in the Old Testament referring to many, many people in many circumstances and is not a code word orbiting specifically centering strictly upon a coming savior.
The English Translators insert the Greek and Hebrew words “ Messiah “ and “ Christ “ back into the Old Testament when it seems to be referring to Jesus as the “ Messiah / Christ
But the other 100 + times they always translate it into English as simply the Anointing.
So much could be said back and forth, I was not trying to lay claim to judge or know how the Prophets and people understood the passages but simply to show that there was no real understanding of a profound certain expectation that someone like Jesus would come along someday simply based upon the usage of the word “ Messiah “ - - this word applies over 100 + times to everyday people, Priests, Kings, Prophets and even common Hebrew men and women .
We can look at Catholic and Protestant translations and see the Hebrew and Greek words Christ and Messiah inserted where it seems to be about Jesus “ the Anointing “ but this is not the way it was written in Hebrew to show a clear distinction.
furthermore
The Scriptures commend, glorify, give praise and honor to Abraham and Sarah as Godly people who truly did believe in the word of God but still did not fully understand God in every aspect according to his word - but still had faith in God and trusted him
From the plain Hebrew manuscripts can we truly show an example of anyone with the same characteristics as Jesus Christ previously having appeared to the Jews and working in their midst and making claims to be God himself as the “ Messiah “ ?
Does not the scriptures demonstrate that Just as Abraham and Sarah, God will have mercy upon the Jews ?
Rom 11:25 ……. it is a mystery……… that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
:26 all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
:27 For this is my covenant unto them, WHEN I shall take away their sins.
Is it honest to ask the question : ?
Was it also God’s mercy that Abraham and Sarah, in the conception of Isaac, were found honorable and Godly and justified while not fully understanding and fully receiving the real plan of the prophetic word of God through their own limited human understanding …
Rom 4:3 Abraham believed God, and it was acounted / reckoned / thought unto him for righteousness.
In conclusion, we also can look how that Mary and Joseph reacted when they found Mary was pregnant, Mary reacted in complete confusion, even after the Angel appeared unto her explaining everything to her
Luk 1:34 Mary said unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
This was Mary’s reaction, complete shock, fear and confusion, she knew nothing and expected nothing of the nature concerning what the Angel had just explained to her.
The Angel appeared to her and explained everything about the prophecy and the plan of God but yet she is asking = = How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
also - Joseph, also, he was not waiting and watching for a virgin birth and wondering if his new pregnant wife was possibly to bear the “ Messiah “ of prophecy that was so clearly explained in scripture.
Joseph was afraid and living in complete sadness and fright that he was going to have to put away his pregnant fiancée …
I just hope we can see the reality of what God has done in that his plan truly was a mystery and truly hidden, kept secret and it was truly understood as more of a spiritual, symbolic application to Hebrew people reading prophecy .
well, no one was, because that prophecy just says young woman, and was fulfilled in the days of the prophet who spoke it.
everyone focuses on the virgin birth but i have to ask the question if the male dna for Jesus came from Joseph and he was a little too weirded out to ever give his recollection of that experience.
its sort of like me: God healed my prostate of internal organ damage from childhood and there's really just no way I'm ever going to tell anyone in real life that: not only did God heal my own physical trauma behind my conscious back of what that trauma was, but a certain well known crazy person at church, texted me at 11 pm at night and told me that she saw it happen. we have never spoken of that matter again.
Bill
Loyal
May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom
Luk 1:34 Mary said unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
you said that this is all confusion. And I totally disagree with that, I think it is Wonder. The Wonder of God.
Mary doesn't come across as being someone that's completely confused or in shock at the moment. It's more of being completely in astonishment and wonder.
You jump to conclusions, and they are your own certainly not mine
backNforth
Active
From the OP:
Relations and the Trilateral Commission - is funding the research on the Dead Sea Scrolls. Also, the U.S. government’s top-secret research lab at Los Alamos, New Mexico, is digitizing these Dead Sea Scrolls so that they can be more clearly read. Anyone might ask, “Why would these parties be interested in this material?” This is happening because the Dead Sea Scrolls prescribe all of the elements needed to coerce people to adapt to the one-world political and religious system advocated by these parties. The Dead Sea Scrolls advocate:
1. The confiscation of personal property to the group.
2. The coming of two Messiahs: one a religious prophet, the other a civil leader.
Students of Bible prophecy know that this corresponds exactly to the beast and the false prophet of Revelation. The Dead Sea Scrolls say that the Essenes are “sons of the light,” ruled by the “angel of light.” Bible students know that the “angel of light” is Satan.
Even Google is in on this.
Multispectral Imaging and the Digitization of the Dead Sea Scrolls:
https://cool.culturalheritage.org/coolaic/sg/bpg/annual/v37/bpga37-12.pdf
West Meets East - The Story of Rockefeller Museum
The Apocrypha is not inspired, while many continue to point to the inclusion of the Apocryphal Old Testament books in Bibles. All pure Bibles viewed these books as non-canonical and said so in their preface.
The Wycliffe Bible warned in its Prologue that only those books written in Hebrew were canonical. Others, it said,
“...shall be set among Apocrypha, that is, without authority of belief...[that] be not of the authority of bible ancient Hebrew...
[R]eceiveth not them among holy Scripture...that be not ancient Hebrew and be not of the number of holy writ;
[T]hey aught to be cast far away...for me doubteth the truth thereof” (Prologue, pp. 1, 2).
Wycliffe said that when the “Word of God is not heard, spiritual death broods over all” (Schaff-Herzog, s.v. Wyclif, pp. 464, 466).
“[H]e designated the Bible as the one authority for believers, and so teaching, traditions, bulls, symbols, and censures go by the board as far as they do not rest on Scripture.”
Tyndale and Coverdale did not approve of the Apocrypha. King James, himself did not approve of it.
Tyndale would not translate the Apocrypha. Coverdale removed the Apocrypha from the Old Testament scriptures. He prefaced his intertestamental section saying, these books “are not reckoned to be of like authority with the other books of the Bible neither are they found in the Canon of the Hebrew...[and] are not judged among the doctors to be of like reputation with the other scripture...And the chief cause thereof is this: there be many places in them, that seem to be repugnant unto the open and manifest truth in the other books of the Bible” (Dore, 2nd ed., p. 110).
Rogers’ Thomas Matthew’s Bible said, “the books called Apocrypha...are not found in the Hebrew nor in the Chaldee” (Dore, 2nd ed., p. 116).
Samuel Ward was among a few who were assigned the task of translating the Apocrypha. King James I said:
“As to the Apocryphal books, I omit them because I am no papist.” (Basilikon Doron ).
Most Christians shared the King’s desire for a Bible without the bulky Apocrypha. As early as 1612 printers (London: Barker), anxious to supply the large demand, printed Bibles without the appendage of the unnecessary Apocrypha. They were following the pattern of the quarto edition of the Great Bible (ed. 1549), some copies of the 1599 Geneva, a quarto edition of the Bishops’ Bible, dated 1577, and many personal hand-sized earlier Bibles. Antiquarian booksellers today offer for sale numerous early copies of the KJV without the Apocrypha (e.g. 1612, 1629 (Norton and Bill “Printers to the King’s Most Excellent Majesty”), 1637, 1653, 1662, 1682; Peter Cresswell, Antiquarian Bibles, South Humberside, England: Humber Books, Catalogue 23 et al,; TBS, No. 31).
The Apocrypha is a series of books, written between B.C. 250 and B.C. 100, which exemplify the “superstitious” “traditions,” “imaginations,” and “commandments of men” which Jesus and Paul warned against (Acts 17:22, Matt. 15:9, Rom. 1:21, Gal. 1:14). The Apocrypha characterizes the “cultural, ethical, and religious background” which surrounded the time of Christ. Even Princeton’s Bruce Metzger writes:
“This body of literature also supplies important information regarding the life and thoughts of the Jewish people during a significant period of their history, namely the period just prior to the emergence of Christianity. By becoming acquainted with these books, therefore, one will be better able to understand the political, ethical, and religious background of the contemporaries of Jesus Christ” (Bruce Metzger, An Introduction to the Apocrypha, NY: Oxford University Press, 1957, p. viii).
For the same reason, current Study Bibles, like the Scofield Reference Bible (“From Malachi to Matthew”) and Dake’s Annotated Reference Bible (“Between the Testaments”) include a section between the Old Testament and the New Testament, explaining the events, history and beliefs of the intertestamental period. The KJV translators, like early Bibles, simply included the real thing. No one today thinks that Scofield’s notes are a part of the Bible, just as no true Christian in 1611 thought that the Apocrypha was a part of the Bible. Bible Prologues stated ‘up front’ that the Apocrypha was not scripture. The Great Bible’s Prologue stated that the Apocrypha was not “found in the Hebrew” Bible. Wycliffe’s Prologue said that the Apocrypha “is, without authority.” Luther’s Bible (1534 ed.) stated that the Apocrypha is “not to be considered as equal to Holy Scriptures.” The early Westminster Confession of Faith stated that the Apocrypha is “no part of the Canon of Scripture; and therefore are of no authority in the church of God; nor to be any otherwise approved, or made use of, than other human writings.” The KJV translators said that the Apocrypha was not scripture because it was not written in Hebrew, nor ever accepted by the Jews or early Christians, nor ever mentioned by Jesus Christ -- because it detailed those “superstitious” “traditions” which Jesus and Paul warned about.
Early Bibles, including the KJV, placed numerous non-Biblical items within the binding of the Bibles for practical reasons. They included things like calendars, genealogies, maps, gazetteers, metrical Psalms for singing, and the Apocrypha (which shed light on just exactly what “superstitions” and “traditions” were being followed by the Jews). Even today Bibles include concordances, dictionaries, notes, histories, commentaries, and cross references. No one mistakes these for being equal to the scriptures. In 1611 and before, few people had a collection of books, most owned only one book, the Bible. Binding other materials within it served a practical need. Even today it is less expensive to print and purchase one book of 1200 pages, than two books each having 600 pages.
Unlike pure early English Bibles, such as the KJV, 1611, which separated the Apocrypha from the Bible, the corrupt Catholic bibles (e.g. New Jerusalem Bible) and their manuscripts (e.g. Vaticanus from which the TNIV, ESV, HCSB NIV, and NASB are translated) intersperse these corrupt books among those of the Bible. Rather than including them as a warning of exactly what “commandments of men” Jesus was warning about, these corrupt versions placed Tobit, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees after the book of Nehemiah; they placed Wisdom and Ecclesiasticus following the Song of Solomon and Baruch following Lamentations. The Song of Azariah, Susanna, and Bel and the Dragon are included in the book of Daniel. Why? The Catholic church has adopted the “traditions of men” expounded in these books. Some of the heresies included in these books include the following taken from the New Jerusalem Bible:
1.) “[A]lmsgiving expiates sins” and “almsgiving saves from death and purges every kind of sin” (Ecclesiasticus 3:30, Tobit 12:9).
2.) Purgatory, and prayers for the dead (2 Maccabees 12:39-45).
3.) “[T]orments and the rack...irons” for the “disobedient” (Ecclesiasticus 33:24-29).
4.) The immaculate conception of Mary; reincarnation and transmigration of souls for New Agers and Hindus (Wisdom 8:19, 20).
5.) Monism and pantheism. “For your imperishable spirit is in everything!” (Wisdom 12:1). Even new versions changes, like the NKJV’s “God is spirit” (John 4:24) echo the New Age concept that god is in “everything.”
Since Catholic bibles include the Apocrypha as scripture, it becomes vital that Bibles no longer include it, even as history.
The Rockefeller Foundation - infamous for its involvement in one-world political organizations, such as the Council on Foreign
Relations and the Trilateral Commission - is funding the research on the Dead Sea Scrolls. Also, the U.S. government’s top-secret research lab at Los Alamos, New Mexico, is digitizing these Dead Sea Scrolls so that they can be more clearly read. Anyone might ask, “Why would these parties be interested in this material?” This is happening because the Dead Sea Scrolls prescribe all of the elements needed to coerce people to adapt to the one-world political and religious system advocated by these parties. The Dead Sea Scrolls advocate:
1. The confiscation of personal property to the group.
2. The coming of two Messiahs: one a religious prophet, the other a civil leader.
Students of Bible prophecy know that this corresponds exactly to the beast and the false prophet of Revelation. The Dead Sea Scrolls say that the Essenes are “sons of the light,” ruled by the “angel of light.” Bible students know that the “angel of light” is Satan.
Even Google is in on this.
Multispectral Imaging and the Digitization of the Dead Sea Scrolls:
https://cool.culturalheritage.org/coolaic/sg/bpg/annual/v37/bpga37-12.pdf
West Meets East - The Story of Rockefeller Museum
WARNING: A super intelligent yet extremely subtle creature remains actively involved in a full blown deception of which the Apocrypha is integral. The following is a shocking exposé of a diabolical plot.
The Apocrypha is not inspired, while many continue to point to the inclusion of the Apocryphal Old Testament books in Bibles. All pure Bibles viewed these books as non-canonical and said so in their preface.
The Wycliffe Bible warned in its Prologue that only those books written in Hebrew were canonical. Others, it said,
“...shall be set among Apocrypha, that is, without authority of belief...[that] be not of the authority of bible ancient Hebrew...
[R]eceiveth not them among holy Scripture...that be not ancient Hebrew and be not of the number of holy writ;
[T]hey aught to be cast far away...for me doubteth the truth thereof” (Prologue, pp. 1, 2).
Wycliffe said that when the “Word of God is not heard, spiritual death broods over all” (Schaff-Herzog, s.v. Wyclif, pp. 464, 466).
“[H]e designated the Bible as the one authority for believers, and so teaching, traditions, bulls, symbols, and censures go by the board as far as they do not rest on Scripture.”
Tyndale and Coverdale did not approve of the Apocrypha. King James, himself did not approve of it.
Tyndale would not translate the Apocrypha. Coverdale removed the Apocrypha from the Old Testament scriptures. He prefaced his intertestamental section saying, these books “are not reckoned to be of like authority with the other books of the Bible neither are they found in the Canon of the Hebrew...[and] are not judged among the doctors to be of like reputation with the other scripture...And the chief cause thereof is this: there be many places in them, that seem to be repugnant unto the open and manifest truth in the other books of the Bible” (Dore, 2nd ed., p. 110).
Rogers’ Thomas Matthew’s Bible said, “the books called Apocrypha...are not found in the Hebrew nor in the Chaldee” (Dore, 2nd ed., p. 116).
Samuel Ward was among a few who were assigned the task of translating the Apocrypha. King James I said:
“As to the Apocryphal books, I omit them because I am no papist.” (Basilikon Doron ).
Most Christians shared the King’s desire for a Bible without the bulky Apocrypha. As early as 1612 printers (London: Barker), anxious to supply the large demand, printed Bibles without the appendage of the unnecessary Apocrypha. They were following the pattern of the quarto edition of the Great Bible (ed. 1549), some copies of the 1599 Geneva, a quarto edition of the Bishops’ Bible, dated 1577, and many personal hand-sized earlier Bibles. Antiquarian booksellers today offer for sale numerous early copies of the KJV without the Apocrypha (e.g. 1612, 1629 (Norton and Bill “Printers to the King’s Most Excellent Majesty”), 1637, 1653, 1662, 1682; Peter Cresswell, Antiquarian Bibles, South Humberside, England: Humber Books, Catalogue 23 et al,; TBS, No. 31).
The Apocrypha is a series of books, written between B.C. 250 and B.C. 100, which exemplify the “superstitious” “traditions,” “imaginations,” and “commandments of men” which Jesus and Paul warned against (Acts 17:22, Matt. 15:9, Rom. 1:21, Gal. 1:14). The Apocrypha characterizes the “cultural, ethical, and religious background” which surrounded the time of Christ. Even Princeton’s Bruce Metzger writes:
“This body of literature also supplies important information regarding the life and thoughts of the Jewish people during a significant period of their history, namely the period just prior to the emergence of Christianity. By becoming acquainted with these books, therefore, one will be better able to understand the political, ethical, and religious background of the contemporaries of Jesus Christ” (Bruce Metzger, An Introduction to the Apocrypha, NY: Oxford University Press, 1957, p. viii).
For the same reason, current Study Bibles, like the Scofield Reference Bible (“From Malachi to Matthew”) and Dake’s Annotated Reference Bible (“Between the Testaments”) include a section between the Old Testament and the New Testament, explaining the events, history and beliefs of the intertestamental period. The KJV translators, like early Bibles, simply included the real thing. No one today thinks that Scofield’s notes are a part of the Bible, just as no true Christian in 1611 thought that the Apocrypha was a part of the Bible. Bible Prologues stated ‘up front’ that the Apocrypha was not scripture. The Great Bible’s Prologue stated that the Apocrypha was not “found in the Hebrew” Bible. Wycliffe’s Prologue said that the Apocrypha “is, without authority.” Luther’s Bible (1534 ed.) stated that the Apocrypha is “not to be considered as equal to Holy Scriptures.” The early Westminster Confession of Faith stated that the Apocrypha is “no part of the Canon of Scripture; and therefore are of no authority in the church of God; nor to be any otherwise approved, or made use of, than other human writings.” The KJV translators said that the Apocrypha was not scripture because it was not written in Hebrew, nor ever accepted by the Jews or early Christians, nor ever mentioned by Jesus Christ -- because it detailed those “superstitious” “traditions” which Jesus and Paul warned about.
Early Bibles, including the KJV, placed numerous non-Biblical items within the binding of the Bibles for practical reasons. They included things like calendars, genealogies, maps, gazetteers, metrical Psalms for singing, and the Apocrypha (which shed light on just exactly what “superstitions” and “traditions” were being followed by the Jews). Even today Bibles include concordances, dictionaries, notes, histories, commentaries, and cross references. No one mistakes these for being equal to the scriptures. In 1611 and before, few people had a collection of books, most owned only one book, the Bible. Binding other materials within it served a practical need. Even today it is less expensive to print and purchase one book of 1200 pages, than two books each having 600 pages.
Unlike pure early English Bibles, such as the KJV, 1611, which separated the Apocrypha from the Bible, the corrupt Catholic bibles (e.g. New Jerusalem Bible) and their manuscripts (e.g. Vaticanus from which the TNIV, ESV, HCSB NIV, and NASB are translated) intersperse these corrupt books among those of the Bible. Rather than including them as a warning of exactly what “commandments of men” Jesus was warning about, these corrupt versions placed Tobit, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees after the book of Nehemiah; they placed Wisdom and Ecclesiasticus following the Song of Solomon and Baruch following Lamentations. The Song of Azariah, Susanna, and Bel and the Dragon are included in the book of Daniel. Why? The Catholic church has adopted the “traditions of men” expounded in these books. Some of the heresies included in these books include the following taken from the New Jerusalem Bible:
1.) “[A]lmsgiving expiates sins” and “almsgiving saves from death and purges every kind of sin” (Ecclesiasticus 3:30, Tobit 12:9).
2.) Purgatory, and prayers for the dead (2 Maccabees 12:39-45).
3.) “[T]orments and the rack...irons” for the “disobedient” (Ecclesiasticus 33:24-29).
4.) The immaculate conception of Mary; reincarnation and transmigration of souls for New Agers and Hindus (Wisdom 8:19, 20).
5.) Monism and pantheism. “For your imperishable spirit is in everything!” (Wisdom 12:1). Even new versions changes, like the NKJV’s “God is spirit” (John 4:24) echo the New Age concept that god is in “everything.”
Since Catholic bibles include the Apocrypha as scripture, it becomes vital that Bibles no longer include it, even as history.
Twistie
Loyal
My uncle had me in jubilees as a child..he use to say..He came as a lamb the first time..unc said He coming back as a Lion..Unc said the mountains will try and hide their faces..and urine will run down the legs of man..yeah
Unc could be intense at times lol i so loved him and so miss his presence in my life..
This is what i do know i do know it is written for those who are seeking to keep seeking..
For me to hear anyone who claims to follow the Lord not to seek is absurd n totally not in the Ways of the Lord its mans ways..the Lord does not contradict Himself..idk
Anywho
Hope alls well
(｢`･ω･)｢