The Failure of Atheism to Account for Existence

[Vincent]

Atheism is a choice to not believe what they know as true.

You cannot possible know what I believe or don't. Christians like to think that they can know other people thoughts, you can't.

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

The condemnation in this world comes from the fact that "light" (knowledge) has come, but men love darkness rather than light because their own deeds are wicked.

Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

I don't love darkness, this just gives you a way to justify your beliefs and reject mine without considering what I have to say.

 

[Curtis]

You cannot possible know what I believe or don't.

God knows all of your thoughts!

 

[Vincent]

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Why would you think bible verses are convincing to an atheist? Can you choose to believe that the moon is made of cheese?

 

[Vincent]

God knows all of your thoughts!

Maybe, but you don't.

 

[Curtis]

I don't love darkness, this just gives you a way to justify your beliefs

If you don't choose life, then you have already chosen darkness.

 

[Curtis]

Why would you think bible verses are convincing to an atheist?

Because if you ever decide to choose life, the scripture is what gives a person faith to believe.

 

[Curtis]

Maybe, but you don't.

I don't have to unless the Lord tells me.

 

[Vincent]

If you don't choose life, then you have already chosen darkness.

What does this mean? Do you believe I choose to lie, cheat, steal, eat babies? What have I chosen exactly?

 

[Vincent]

Because if you ever decide to choose life, the scripture is what gives a person faith to believe.

I was a christian for 15 years, I understand what it is like to be a believer. Again, you are I cannot choose to believe anything. Can you choose to believe the moon is made of cheese?

 

[Curtis]

What does this mean? Do you believe I choose to lie, cheat, steal, eat babies? What have I chosen exactly?

Everything in your life up to today has been a "choice". Nobody can choose for you. If you want to believe in God, and in what Jesus has done for you, and all you have to do is make that choice, and the Lord God will give you faith to believe in him. No Christain has any claim to fame for their faith, or what they are as all Glory goes to God alone who finished all of his work from the beginning.

 

[Vincent]

I don't have to unless the Lord tells me.

Then why did you tell me that I really do believe that a god exists?

Everything in your life up to today has been a "choice". Nobody can choose for you. If you want to believe in God, and in what Jesus has done for you, and all you have to do is make that choice, and the Lord God will give you faith to believe in him. No Christain has any claim to fame for their faith, or what they are as all Glory goes to God alone who finished all of his work from the beginning.

Actions I take are my choice, beliefs are not. I cannot believe anything that I am not convinced of. Can you choose to believe the moon is made of cheese?

You said I chose darkness. What does this mean? What did I choose exactly?

 

[Curtis]

Then why did you tell me that I really do believe that a god exists?

Because the grace of God that bringeth salvation has appeared unto ALL men. (Tit 2:11)

 

[Vincent]

Because the grace of God that bringeth salvation has appeared unto ALL men. (Tit 2:11)

I know you believe the bible is true. I don't and you don't know if the grace of god as appeared to me. It hasn't as far as I can tell.

 

[Curtis]

I know you believe the bible is true. I don't and you don't know if the grace of god as appeared to me. It hasn't as far as I can tell.

The very first time you heard the Gospel, you knew it was true, no matter what your brain said in your head. God speaks to the heart of man, not his brain in his head.

 

[Vincent]

The very first time you heard the Gospel, you knew it was true, no matter what your brain said in your head. God speaks to the heart of man, not his brain in his head.

This is false. You are telling me that I am lying. My heart cannot hear anything it has no conscience, there is no evidence a soul exists either. You believe this by faith and not reason and evidence. I do not believe the gospel message because there is insufficient evidence to believe that god exists.

 

[Curtis]

This is false. You are telling me that I am lying. My heart cannot hear anything it has no conscience, there is no evidence a soul exists either. You believe this by faith and not reason and evidence. I do not believe the gospel message because there is insufficient evidence to believe that god exists.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Spiritual understanding has nothing to do with mans logical analytical mind. The natural man along with his physical brain thinks the things of the Spirit of God is complete foolishness, because they are only spiritually understood with the heart!

Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

 

[Vincent]

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Spiritual understanding has nothing to do with mans logical analytical mind. The natural man along with his physical brain thinks the things of the Spirit of God is complete foolishness, because they are only spiritually understood with the heart!

Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

My heart cannot understand anything. My brain can. It is almost 100% certain that your brain affects your personality and everything about you and what you believe. There is no evidence of a heart or soul apart from your brain.

You keep quoting bible verses like they are going to convince me. God is not a foolish concept to me, it is an unreasonable one based on the evidence we have.

 

[Curtis]

My heart cannot understand anything.

Jesus said......

Mat 13:14 Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says: “‘“You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive.”
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.’

You do know every single person Jesus spoke to heard his words, and they all had eyes, and they saw everything he did. Hearing Jesus's words has nothing to do with mans physical senses, it has to do with man's heart (his spirit) where he sees, and understands spiritual things.

 

[amadeus2]

I was a christian for 15 years, I understand what it is like to be a believer. Again, you are I cannot choose to believe anything. Can you choose to believe the moon is made of cheese?

We can believe, as you say, in just about anything. As to the moon, however, you probably do believe the testimony of some astronauts and scientists, astronomers for example, in order to draw any conclusions as to what you believe the moon is made of... It is likely not a conclusion and belief based on what you personally have been able to perceive with the five presumed natural senses of a man... unless you are unusual in some respect.

We all have faith, but then the question is on what do we base our faith? Most people start with what they perceive with the five described natural senses [sight, hearing, touch, taste and smell] and build from there. What if one of more of those perceptions is faulty or wrong or missing? I knew a lady for several years who died last year. She was legally blind and extremely hard of hearing even with the best of hearing aids. With those very faulty perceptions, she was to the end of her time a very strongly believer in God and His Son, Jesus. She hadn't been able to read a Bible or listen to a radio or watch a TV in years but she held onto what she had.

You say you were a Christian for 15 years, but I sincerely doubt you ever had what she had or what I have. I really became a practicing Christian in some measure when I was baptized in the Catholic Church at the age of 6. I have moved a long ways from there in God since that time as I am now 75. [I stopped active participation as a Catholic when I was about 18.]

You say you understand what it is like to be a believer, but I do wonder about that experience.

 

[Brad Huber]

Whomever puts his hand to the plow and then gives up for forever when he hits a rock, will in no way inherit the kingdom of God.