The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !

[Butch5]

Whenever a person is shown a scripture that gives us a truth, the person uses context as a excuse to not believe the scripture.

That's a new one. People use context to not believe the Scripture? Without the context we can't know want it even means. Instead of spreading propaganda why actually engage in the arguments and see if your doctrine can really stand up to Scripture. As I've said before, I'm not that far from Atlanta. If you want to get together and look at this more deeply just let know

 

[Butch5]

False

False? I just showed you from the context that it Israel.

3 For I could wish that myself were eaccursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Ro 9:3–5.

Look at what Paul said. The adoption belongs to Israel. You were saved under the New Covenant, correct? Who was the New Covenant made with? It was made with Israel.

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
In the day that I took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
Which my covenant they brake,
Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
fI will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I lwill forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.


The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Je 31:31–34.

 

[Rhema]

I hope you understand that this is how cults spring up, by ignoring context and coupling verses from all over the place (out of context) so that it can mean whatever they want it to mean, and not what was intended to be understood by God.

(On you tempt me so much to say the word Trinity.)

Context also needs to recognize the intended audience within their historical time frame. I strongly doubt that the Pope of 1130 (pick one) cared what the Jews thought about the Old Testament.

As an example, the Septuagint would not make much sense to a reader in Athens during the time of Christ, or even at its time of translation, because the grammatical Hebraisms are rendered quite literal. One would need to know Hebrew to find meaning in many passages of the LXX. This is also true of the New Testament. What Christians do you know that understand Judaism?

Modern Evangelicals also tend to think that Jesus was against Judaism in general when he reprimanded the Pharisees, not knowing what Rabbinical Judaism was back then (which turned into the Hasidim of today) and how it differed - even between countries.

Also as a matter of context, one cannot understand the Gospel named John without having read Philo.

Rhema

 

[Christ4Ever]

Also as a matter of context, one cannot understand the Gospel named John without having read Philo.

The context of the Word of God by the Spirit of God will lead you to what God wants you to know.
Let's not derail the thread.
With the Love of God, God bless you and yours.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
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[Rhema]

Let's not derail the thread.

How am I anywhere near derailing the thread when I was commenting on your concern about context??

The context of the Word of God by the Spirit of God will lead you to what God wants you to know.

If one reads closely, this statement nullifies the entire concept of context. Just delete that portion and one gets:

"The Word of God by the Spirit of God will lead you to what God wants you to know."

(Context need not apply.)

Rhema

 

[Christ4Ever]

Let's not derail the thread.

How am I anywhere near derailing the thread when I was commenting on your concern about context??

Notice where I said "let's", meaning not just you but both of us!
Even though it shouldn't be a problem since the brother who started this thread has pretty much beat it with a stick to sleep by now.

The context of the Word of God by the Spirit of God will lead you to what God wants you to know.

If one reads closely, this statement nullifies the entire concept of context. Just delete that portion and one gets:

"The Word of God by the Spirit of God will lead you to what God wants you to know."

(Context need not apply.)

Agreed!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><

 

[Curtis]

Within the “context” of a specific truth there can also be found “separate” other undeniable truths.

 

[Brightfame52]

I am so sad to see you post this stuff, not using the discernment Yehovah built into you. Context is not an excuse, it is essential when reading anything written without verse and chapter numbers. The Scriptures did not have these division markers for better than 1300 years on the last 27 letters and the Jewish Bible/Old Testament for the last received for Hundreds of years and for the earliest, they were without numbers for thousands of years. Remove the man-made division and comprehension is simplified. This puts the cult makers out of business but, hey, that would be a good thing.

Its sad whn folk holler context in order to avoid a certain truth within a context.

 

[Brightfame52]

That's a new one. People use context to not believe the Scripture? Without the context we can't know want it even means. Instead of spreading propaganda why actually engage in the arguments and see if your doctrine can really stand up to Scripture. As I've said before, I'm not that far from Atlanta. If you want to get together and look at this more deeply just let know

Yeah people when they are faced with a truth plainly stated from a scripture, in order to reject it, they just say, oh you taking that out of context.

 

[Brightfame52]

False? I just showed you from the context that it Israel.

3 For I could wish that myself were eaccursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Ro 9:3–5.

Look at what Paul said. The adoption belongs to Israel. You were saved under the New Covenant, correct? Who was the New Covenant made with? It was made with Israel.

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
In the day that I took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
Which my covenant they brake,
Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
fI will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I lwill forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.


The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Je 31:31–34.

Still false

 

[Butch5]

Still false

That's a great argument you made there.

 

[Butch5]

Yeah people when they are faced with a truth plainly stated from a scripture, in order to reject it, they just say, oh you taking that out of context.

I didn't just say it. I showed how you are taking it out of context.

 

[th1bill]

Its sad whn folk holler context in order to avoid a certain truth within a context.

Well, that's good then because I have yet to see anyone conversing here do that, excusing you, sir.

 

[th1bill]

Still false

Butch backed his comments with proof and you believe we are stupid enough to accept less from you? Surly ye jest!

 

[th1bill]

Its sad whn folk holler context in order to avoid a certain truth within a context.

Is that the best you can do, belittle without proof? You rush in here like some god's gift to the untaught and you fizzle already?

 

[Brightfame52]

That's a great argument you made there.

I dont need a argument to call a spade a spade, plus I have been explaining the truth since the op, which hasnt been proven wrong yet

 

[Brightfame52]

I didn't just say it. I showed how you are taking it out of context.

You showed why you reject truth and I have shown you the truth

 

[Brightfame52]

Well, that's good then because I have yet to see anyone conversing here do that, excusing you, sir.

Well Ive seen it, I dont go by what you see or dont see

 

[Brightfame52]

Butch backed his comments with proof and you believe we are stupid enough to accept less from you? Surly ye jest!

I have backed my comments up. Start from the OP

 

[Brightfame52]

Is that the best you can do, belittle without proof? You rush in here like some god's gift to the untaught and you fizzle already?

I have given plenty of proof, since the op, shows you not paying attention , I cant help it if you reject the proof I have given.