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The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !

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Dear Posters,
It appears that the thread has run its course on the subject and all that is left are accusations.
If there are no further thoughts on the subject, I do believe I'll close the thread to further replies.
However, I will wait for any final thoughts on the subject.

God bless you and yours!
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Brightfame52 said:
I have given plenty of proof, since the op, shows you not paying attention , I cant help it if you reject the proof I have given.
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I read the OP but you have jerked scripture out of context to make your point nullifying the OP. The context of scripture begins with Genesis 1 and completes with the last Amen of The Revelation. However, reading this without the Indwelling of Ruah/the Holy Spirit is fruitless. Complete submission to God must come first.
 
The OP and its some seventeen pages of "support" seem to be based upon a pretty sketchy understanding of English. I can't help but blame the educational system.

It also reminds me of the following:

And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.​
- Mark 7:9 KJV

There's a tradition here that borders on the edge of brainwashing, with an adamant claim that 2+2=5, only to be decried by others saying NO, 2+2=7.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect (in your love), even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.​
- Matthew 5:43-48 KJV


If God hated people, he wouldn't send them rain.

Blessings,
Rhema
 
Sovereign in His Love !


Rom 9:11-15

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

God is Sovereign in both His Love and Mercy, and Grace which all go hand in hand Eph 2:4-5

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

Now just because we read in scripture that God is Love 1 Jn 4:8 and that He is merciful Ex 34:6;Deut 4:31, does not mean that He is not Sovereign with those qualities of His Nature, for He extends [apply] them unto whosoever He will, and of course witholds them to whomsoever he wills. A case in point are the Angels that left their first estate, God gave them No Mercy 2 Pet 2:4; Jude 1:6, nor not even a glimmer of hope of obtaining mercy, neither is there any proof that God Loved them his fallen creatures, since at no time we read that out of His Love for them, He gave His Son to die for them and their Apostasy !

So you see, God being a God of Love or a Merciful God was not benefit to them, non at all, and the same is true of some men ! 8
 
In Jesus God Revealed His thoughts and heart to us. Sure we are all sinners and needs to be "stoned to death". But He died in Jesus for us to save us from our death sinners lives in Adam. And He gave birth to us as His Child and Son in the Name of Jesus when He raised from the Grave. Now we see who we are in Jesus in Faith. Those who don't desire to see will never see and stay in the "wrath of God" which manifested in Adam being dead in his intellect and knowledge. But it is by choice that He rejected the Love of God to him which came to all in Jesus where our "Abba Father/Daddy" died for all in Jesus to give all that birth in their New Names in Jesus to enjoy that Great Life of Him through His Word of Jesus that creates it in us.

2 Cor. 5:
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we himno more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
 
We know that Christ's coming into the World was not out of Love to all mankind without exception, neither to identify with the same, but for only His Brethren, and not according to the flesh Heb 2:17

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

His Brethren in view here are all those who does the will of His Father in heaven Matt 12:50

For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

And secondly, all those He became the Firstborn of Many Brethren to Rom 8:29

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Col 1:18

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Heb 12:23

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Christ came only into this World and assumed the likeness of sinful flesh for those here Eph 1:4-5

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Yes, only the predestined ones, same as in Rom 8:29

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

These are whom God's Love is limited to !
 
Brightfame52 said:
Romans 9:13

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

How can it be sincerely taught that scripture teaches that God loves all men without exception, when it specifically says of Esau, God Hated ?

And I got news for you, He did not only hate Esau, but all the workers of iniquity. Ps 5:5


5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

And they that work iniquity shall soon hear these words Matt 7:23


23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Yes, these and those in Ps 5:5 are the very same !
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Is there a scripture reference you might post? One that tells us God loves all without exception.
 
otter_tree said:
Is there a scripture reference you might post? One that tells us God loves all without exception.
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I believe that the OP is saying that God does NOT love all without exception.

Many verses have been posted by many members throughout this thread that tells us God loves all without exception, but to no avail. @Brightfame52 remains unmoved by these scriptures, and provides ... "interesting" alternate interpretations. From what I gather, he only believes that saved people are loved - not that God's love provides all people with the opportunity to accept God's free gift.

Hope that helps.

Kindly,
Rhema
 
Rhema said:
I believe that the OP is saying that God does NOT love all without exception.

Many verses have been posted by many members throughout this thread that tells us God loves all without exception, but to no avail. @Brightfame52 remains unmoved by these scriptures, and provides ... "interesting" alternate interpretations. From what I gather, he only believes that saved people are loved - not that God's love provides all people with the opportunity to accept God's free gift.

Hope that helps.

Kindly,
Rhema
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It does help,thank you.

Maybe it's a bit confusing to them to read that God lives all people without exception only to learn of verses that speak to the contrary of that?
 
Rhema said:
That's what the OP refers to as a myth.

It is, though, a basic Calvinist tenet - that God does not love all people without exception.
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Calvinism aside, how does one reconcile the idea of God loving all people without exception with those passages that tell of God ordering mass slaughter of peoples? Including the unborn.
 
Most religious People think that God's Love is a mere emotion, however that cannot be further from the Truth. The Bible Teaches that God's Love and the Love of Jesus Christ produces effects, results. For God so loved the World that He Gave His only begotten Son. Yes Christ coming into the World to save His Own was an effect of God's Love !

Jn 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Gal 2:20

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

And Christ's giving of Himself, produces Results for them as Well. And it is by theses results that God's Love produces, it is impossible to conclude that God's Love and that of His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ is unto all mankind without exception !

Here is one of many effects of God's Love to those He loves 2 Thess 2:16-17

16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.


Those God Loved, along with that Love He gives [ to the Loved ones] everlasting consolation and good hope through Grace. If we do not have these things abiding within, chances are, God does not Love us, because that is one of the evidences He gives those He Loves.

This hope comes as a result of the New Birth 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

So it is appropriate to say that God Loves no man that does not receive a New Birth by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the Dead !

This means, if Christ had not been raised from the dead, then none of those He died for would be born again, our New Birth is in virtue of His Resurrection ! 8
 
otter_tree said:
God ordering mass slaughter of peoples? Including the unborn.
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How can you say, "We are wise, and the law (TORAH) of the LORD is with us," when, in fact, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie?​
(Jeremiah 8:8 NRSV)

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;​
(Matthew 5:43-44 KJV)

Given the above, how can you be sure that God ordered this "mass slaughter"?

Herein was the love of God made manifest amongst us, because God sent his only begotten son into this world, that we might live through him. Herein is that love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be a reconciliation for our sins.​
(1 John 4:9-10 Geneva~)

Rhema
 
Dear Posters,
Thank-you for your final replies.
The thread is now closed.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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