The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !

[Curtis]

1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

The world here is referring to "sinners"

Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

 

[KingJ]

Hi Curtis,
I suspect you won't like his answer which I anticipate to be that "world" means the collective of the elect, and so Esau was not part of that world that God loved.

(But I guess we'll see the answer.)

Blessings,
Rhema

That is a calvinistic interpretation of the passage. Completely and utterly mocks the cross and Gods love for all mankind. Words I expect to hear straight from the mouth of the devil. Bastardisation of the most popular verse in Christianity.

 

[Brightfame52]

Its God's Love that moved Him to choose His People in Christ and make them a special people above all others Deut 14:2

2For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

This is a exclusive Love for His chosen ! The Chosen are all those regardless of race, who were Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4


4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

God Loved His People so much, He ensured that they will be made Holy and Without blame before Him in Love.. Thats what God's Love does, it ensures this outcome.

 

[Brightfame52]

I am NOT the one teaching that God is partial! and thinking that everyone is too DUMB to grasp it is PURE EVIL.

I can give you a link to a site that allows debates if you want. But I know you will not come; they don't allow dodging.

We debating now. The word debate means:

a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.

I put forth my argument with scripture, and you may oppose it with your own argument. But debating isnt for you to go collect up verses and then demand me to explain them. Im explaining my own arguments, now the onlookers can draw their own conclusions

 

[Rhema]

2For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

This is a exclusive Love for His chosen ! The Chosen are all those regardless of race,

Brightone, you do know that the phrase "the nations" in Hebrew means other races?

 

[Brightfame52]

Its God's Love that moved Him to choose His People in Christ and make them a special people above all others Deut 14:2

2For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

This is a exclusive Love for His chosen ! The Chosen are all those regardless of race, who were Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4


4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

God Loved His People so much, He ensured that they will be made Holy and Without blame before Him in Love.. Thats what God's Love does, it ensures this outcome.

Deut 7:6-8

6For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7;The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8;But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

 

[Rhema]

@Brightfame52 it's a sinful part of human nature that wants to believe they are something "special."

I hadn't known, that you were Jewish, so forgive the assumption the you were not.

You do know that Deuteronomy was written to the Jews ??? Right?

8;But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

Well God ought to have brought them out, since he put them there in the first place.

Then the LORD said to Abram, "Know this for certain, that your offspring shall be aliens in a land that is not theirs, and shall be slaves there, and they shall be oppressed for four hundred years; but I will bring judgment on the nation that they serve, and afterward they shall come out with great possessions.​

(Genesis 15:13-14 NRSV)

Rhema

 

[KingJ]

We debating now. The word debate means:



I put forth my argument with scripture, and you may oppose it with your own argument. But debating isnt for you to go collect up verses and then demand me to explain them. Im explaining my own arguments, now the onlookers can draw their own conclusions

LMAO, this is a discussion and from your end you are treating this forum more like a message board.

I said I can invite you to a site that does formal debates, one person types a post, then the other. Moderators review to ensure posters are dealing with points raised. That is how it works.

Googling the dictionary definition to try keep face, it is just further evidence of your clowning around here.

Lets' go, please prove you are more than a bot posting rubbish on a friendly Christian forum.

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Brightfame - States that God cherry picks people for heaven. Not caring whatsoever of the fact that Cherry picking is PARTIALITY. He thinks readers are very dumb.

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KingJ responds - Partiality incriminates God. Suggests He sit a top a list of the most evil beings to ever live. Explain to me how partiality is not evil, go floor is yours.

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Brightfame, like a brainless BOT, continues to copy paste gunk from google that further states that God is partial. Claims it is ''his'' post.

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KingJ responds - Stop being a bot, come debate me where you cannot dodge.

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Brightfame responds - Me typing to you is a debate, google says so.

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KingJ - Prays that God has mercy on the soul of a so called brother who portrays Him as EVIL to the lost that He loves and died for. As he does most certainly NOT want to learn the truth and be a better person.

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Brightfame responds - let me create a new thread and post more gunk, I am exposed on this one, maybe people get tired of calling me out and I can post freely without interruption.

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Please understand you are dodging, I asked YOU A SIMPLE QUESTION IN RESPONSE TO YOUR POSTS.

You ARE doing the devils work here. He can take a break, you have his job covered on this site.

Also hilarious that you think this is the first time I have asked you this. I counted 8 times in your first thread on this forum. Talk about dodging!!! You are WORSE than ATHEISTS on ATHEIST forums, imagine that!!!

Moderators should BAN you if you do not start explaining how you believe God is good Psalm 136:1, righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17 and cough cough '''PARTIAL''' all at the same time.

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Some people (like you) upset God so MUCH that He ENSURED Matt 18:6 was penned in scripture!!! You are the complete opposite of a WISE person if you DO NOT heed this WARNING!!!!!!!! I can't tell you how scared I feel for your soul!!!

Teaching readers and others that God is partial, ratifies racism, pride and leads all the weak in their faith to be PUT OFF God as they believe He has an EVIL side to Him!! You better start taking swimming lessons!!!

Matt 18:6 - But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

Note how this scripture says ''depth of the sea''!! This is a worthwhile word to google:

Deep:

1. Extending far down from the top or surface.
2. Very intense or extreme.

 

[Brightfame52]

So, we see specifically that God's Love causes Him to choose a people. That would lead us to understand, that the world of Jn 3:16 consist of those so loved and Chosen of God.

Gods Love = Chosen ones to be recipients and benefactors of it.

Those God Loved, also is specifically designated His Church Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Now, is the church everyone in the world without exception ? It would be foolish to say yes to that question.

The word church is the greek word

ek klēsia:

It simply means to call out, the called out ones.

1 Pet 2:9

9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

The church has been called out of darkness, and secondly, into His Marvelous light..

Its not a half done process. Its a calling out of and into.

These are the objects of God's Love in the world, the called out ones, the Church of Jesus Christ.

Paul calls them the called as in Rom 1:6

Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

Rom 8:28

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Rom 9:24

Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Now nowhere in scripture can these things apply to all mankind without exception.

The world that God Loved is a called world. Remember one of the definitions for the word world kosmos is:

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

So the called of Jesus Christ as in Rom 1:6

Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

So the collection of the called of Jesus Christ is the world God so Loved !

This just simply cannot be denied !

 

[Brightfame52]

@Rhema

@Brightfame52 it's a sinful part of human nature that wants to believe they are something "special."

Not if God says so, He makes that declaration and then makes it known to them Deut 7:6

For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Your beef is with God for making a people special to Himself.

 

[Brightfame52]

LMAO, this is a discussion and from your end you are treating this forum more like a message board.

I said I can invite you to a site that does formal debates, one person types a post, then the other. Moderators review to ensure posters are dealing with points raised. That is how it works.

Googling the dictionary definition to try keep face, it is just further evidence of your clowning around here.

Lets' go, please prove you are more than a bot posting rubbish on a friendly Christian forum.

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Brightfame - States that God cherry picks people for heaven. Not caring whatsoever of the fact that Cherry picking is PARTIALITY. He thinks readers are very dumb.

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KingJ responds - Partiality incriminates God. Suggests He sit a top a list of the most evil beings to ever live. Explain to me how partiality is not evil, go floor is yours.

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Brightfame, like a brainless BOT, continues to copy paste gunk from google that further states that God is partial. Claims it is ''his'' post.

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KingJ responds - Stop being a bot, come debate me where you cannot dodge.

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Brightfame responds - Me typing to you is a debate, google says so.

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KingJ - Prays that God has mercy on the soul of a so called brother who portrays Him as EVIL to the lost that He loves and died for. As he does most certainly NOT want to learn the truth and be a better person.

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Brightfame responds - let me create a new thread and post more gunk, I am exposed on this one, maybe people get tired of calling me out and I can post freely without interruption.

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Please understand you are dodging, I asked YOU A SIMPLE QUESTION IN RESPONSE TO YOUR POSTS.

You ARE doing the devils work here. He can take a break, you have his job covered on this site.

Also hilarious that you think this is the first time I have asked you this. I counted 8 times in your first thread on this forum. Talk about dodging!!! You are WORSE than ATHEISTS on ATHEIST forums, imagine that!!!

Moderators should BAN you if you do not start explaining how you believe God is good Psalm 136:1, righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17 and cough cough '''PARTIAL''' all at the same time.

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Some people (like you) upset God so MUCH that He ENSURED Matt 18:6 was penned in scripture!!! You are the complete opposite of a WISE person if you DO NOT heed this WARNING!!!!!!!! I can't tell you how scared I feel for your soul!!!

Teaching readers and others that God is partial, ratifies racism, pride and leads all the weak in their faith to be PUT OFF God as they believe He has an EVIL side to Him!! You better start taking swimming lessons!!!

Matt 18:6 - But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

Note how this scripture says ''depth of the sea''!! This is a worthwhile word to google:

Deep:

1. Extending far down from the top or surface.
2. Very intense or extreme.

Obviously you dont know what debating is:

again:

a discussion, as of a public question in an assembly, involving opposing viewpoints:

a formal contest in which the affirmative and negative sides of a proposition are advocated by opposing speakers.

 

[Rhema]

Your beef is with God for making a people special to Himself.

Your beef is with God for not making you Jewish.

You're not Jewish, Brightfame. That's why it's your sinful human nature that wants you believe you're something special.

Besides, God chose the Jews because they needed it the most.

Peace out,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Hi Curtis,
I suspect you won't like his answer which I anticipate to be that "world" means the collective of the elect, and so Esau was not part of that world that God loved.

(But I guess we'll see the answer.)

Well @Curtis, we saw the answer:

So the collection of the called of Jesus Christ is the world God so Loved !

Told ya so...

When people make up their own definitions, they come up with the most absurd religions fantasies.

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[KingJ]

Obviously you dont know what debating is:

again:

a discussion, as of a public question in an assembly, involving opposing viewpoints:

a formal contest in which the affirmative and negative sides of a proposition are advocated by opposing speakers.

Your reply is a re-post your cherry picked gunk in post # 29 and then state the above after my post # 28 to you???

You are most certainly clowning around!!!

If we take your line as an example:

''a discussion involving opposing viewpoints, a formal contest, which the affirmative and negative sides of a proposition are advocated.''

My negative side of your belief = Cherry picking some is partiality and partiality is wicked, explain to me how it is not!!!!!!!!!

Come now, discuss the opposing viewpoint, no dodging. (PS this is now the TENTH TIME I HAVE ASKED YOU THIS QUESTION)

 

[Brightfame52]

Your beef is with God for not making you Jewish.

You're not Jewish, Brightfame. That's why it's your sinful human nature that wants you believe you're something special.

Besides, God chose the Jews because they needed it the most.

Peace out,
Rhema

Your beef is with God for making a people special to Himself. its not limited to jews. Speaking of those He died for Titus 2 14

Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The word peculiar periousios:
hat which is one's own, belonging to one's possessions

1. a people selected by God from the other nations for his own possession

Dont get caught up with race, God is no respect of persons based on race !

 

[Brightfame52]

Your reply is a re-post your cherry picked gunk in post # 29 and then state the above after my post # 28 to you???

You are most certainly clowning around!!!

If we take your line as an example:

''a discussion involving opposing viewpoints, a formal contest, which the affirmative and negative sides of a proposition are advocated.''

My negative side of your belief = Cherry picking some is partiality and partiality is wicked, explain to me how it is not!!!!!!!!!

Come now, discuss the opposing viewpoint, no dodging. (PS this is now the TENTH TIME I HAVE ASKED YOU THIS QUESTION)

You still dont know what debating is. You want to start sinning, sinful debate of the flesh Rom 1:29

9 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

 

[twcstp]

God's love is Agape Love. God Unconditionally loves all people, but hates sin. I am telling you the truth.

 

[Rhema]

Dont get caught up with race, God is no respect of persons based on race !

You still don't understand that the word "nation" means "race," and that Deuteronomy was written to the JEWS.

You're not Jewish, are you? CONFESS !!! So how can you culturally appropriate that verse to yourself? (I mean other than mental instability...) Why do you think that Deuteronomy, a text written to the JEWS applies to you? It's a valid question, and one for which I'm pretty sure you have no answer. (Or any sensible answer.)

Explain away....

Rhema

 

[KingJ]

You still dont know what debating is. You want to start sinning, sinful debate of the flesh Rom 1:29

9 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

You are an EXPERT at dodging a question.

Dodging - Noun. deliberately avoiding; keeping away from or preventing from happening. synonyms: avoidance, shunning, turning away.

Question to Brightfame - Cherry picking some is partiality and partiality is wicked, explain to me how it is not!! Explain why YOU teach it when Job said this ''Job 34:12 it is UNTHINKABLE that God would do what is wicked'' and David said ''Psalm 145:17 God is righteous in ALL HIS WAYS.......Go, the floor is YOURS.....

More dodge INCOMING, everyone get your popcorn!!

 

[Rhema]

Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The word peculiar periousios:
hat which is one's own, belonging to one's possessions

HA... you would try to teach ME Greek?

How precious.
How precocious.

Well @Brightfame52, your definition of "periousios" is certainly peculiar.

From the Cambridge Greek Lexicon
G4041 περιούσιος -periousios:

1. that which is left over or is in surplus; surplus, abundance; sufficient residue (of troops); excess​

2. (generally) affluence, luxury, excess, profit​

3. (as a prepositional phrase) from a position of affluence or advantage​

4 survival, continued independence (of a territory)​

Might you understand that your understanding is limited (hobbled even) by poor and inaccurate resources? (Like "Strong's")

ος (WHO) εδωκεν (DEVOTED) εαυτον (HIMSELF) υπερ (ON BEHALF) ημων (OF US) ινα (IN ORDER THAT) λυτρωσηται (HE MIGHT RELEASE) ημας (US) απο (FROM) πασης (ALL) ανομιας (SIN) και (AND) καθαριση (PRUNE AWAY) εαυτω (TO HIMSELF) λαον (A CROP) περιουσιον (ABUNDANT) ζηλωτην (BLESSED) καλων (OF GOOD) εργων (WORKS)​

(Titus 2:14 GRK)

... AND PRUNE AWAY TO HIMSELF AN ABUNDANT CROP BLESSED OF GOOD WORKS....​

And you have now backed me into a corner, whereby I must inform you that you need to be RELEASED FROM your SIN of wanting to be something special above all others and exalting yourself as an "elect." Isn't God's love for you enough? (It should be.) But you post DIVISION, which is not to be found in a crop of good works.

Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.​

(Luke 18:10-14 KJV)

And just to be clear, you're the Pharisee here.

May God clear your misguided thoughts.

Lord have Mercy,
Rhema



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