The Myth of saying that God Loved all men in the world without exception !

[B-A-C]

And while I still love my children, I have one who does not love me.

So, you didn't remain in their love. Even though they remained in yours.

The Bible doesn't say God will remain in your love if...
It does say you will remain in His love if...

John 15:10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

 

[B-A-C]

I have often wondered just where J. Strong got this impression of "love less" as an "extension" (an odd view that even Mounce adopted).

OK, then, the only other option is, He never loved Esau.

 

[Rhema]

So, you didn't remain in their love. Even though they remained in yours.

It's not that I didn't remain in their love, it's that they withdrew their love from me.

I did not set the parameters of the choices of my children. They set their own.

That's what humans do to God.

Humans reject the commandments of the teachings of Jesus for their own purposes.

Again, you would need to elaborate at length. You seem to want to make a point with the fewest words possible, and I'm setting parameters to Not abide (live-remain) in a conversation consisting of the exchange of one liners since there is a disconnect that I do not follow.

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[Curtis]

You do not have to do anything for God to love you. He loves everyone including his enemies. If he did not love everyone he would have never sent Jesus to save us from our sins because we were all his enemies at one time. Remember, Jesus loves his enemies.

Keeping God's word in you shows your love for God, and in keeping his words you will remain in his divine love of protection.

Psa 91:14 "Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore I will deliver him; I will set him on high because he has known My name.

People die all the time before their time, not because God did not love them, but because they did not love God.

 

[Curtis]

If you love someone but hate what they do are you loving and hating them at the same time?

 

[Rhema]

OK, then, the only other option is, He never loved Esau.

I don't think it's wise to establish any fundamental doctrine based on three verses:

As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.​

(Romans 9:13 KJV)

I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.​

(Malachi 1:2-3 KJV)

That's all ya got, @B-A-C.

There's no information in Malachi to establish reason or timeline. One does have references in Obadiah, and also here:

But I have made Esau bare, I have uncovered his secret places, and he shall not be able to hide himself: his seed is spoiled, and his brethren, and his neighbours, and he is not.​

(Jeremiah 49:10 KJV)

But the references to Jacob and Esau are typically expanded to mean the descendants of each.

No doubt you will disagree, but Paul didn't explain his views very well in Romans 9 (cf. 2Pe 3:15,16).

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[Brightfame52]

Did God Predestinate all without exception ? Eph 1:4-5


4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Now some Translate the two words in love at the end of vs 4 and have them instead at the beginning of vs 5 as to read:


5 in love Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

The NIV reads :

4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love

5 he[a] predestined us for adoption to son ship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—

Here the period is put at the end of vs four after the word sight !

Now this being the case, and since God's Love here is the same as that in Jn 3:16, then we must suppose that God has predestined all without exception for adoption to Sonship in accordance with His Pleasure and will. So all without exception shall attain to The Image of Christ Rom 8:29

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Now if all without exception are not predestinated unto this Image and attain unto it, God and His Love and His Predestination have failed. 2

 

[Brightfame52]

Well You have the right to choose

To choose what ?

 

[Brightfame52]

Not as false as changing the definitions of words to suit your personal interpretation.

(That's actually evil.)

Rhema

Like I said,false

 

[Rhema]

The NIV reads :

A crap translation as bad as the NWT.

 

[Rhema]

Like I said,false

May God clear up your brain, brother.

 

[Brightfame52]

A crap translation as bad as the NWT.

Sometimes that translation nails it, it takes study to know if its right

 

[Rhema]

Sometimes that translation nails it, it takes study to know if its right

No, it doesn't. One just needs an adequate Greek Interlinear.
Buy one. Then you can see for yourself.

 

[Rhema]

Sometimes that translation nails it, it takes study to know if its right

This one...

The Interlinear KJV-NIV Parallel New Testament in Greek…

The Interlinear KJV-NIV Parallel New Testament does thr…

www.goodreads.com

Then you can directly compare the NIV and see the problems for yourself.

 

[Brightfame52]

Now if God Loved all without exception, then in Love, He predestnated all without exception. If He predestinated all without exception, then He must have foreknew all without exception according to Rom 8:29

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 2

 

[Rhema]

@Brightfame52, nobody knows what προορίζω means. Or even προγινώσκω for that matter.

ܘܡܢ ܠܘܩܕܡ ܝܕܥ ܐܢܘܢ ܘܪܫܡ ܐܢܘܢ ܒܕܡܘܬܐ ܕܨܘܪܬܐ ܕܒܪܗ ܕܗܘ ܢܗܘܐ ܒܘܟܪܐ ܕܐܚܐ ܣܓܝܐܐ
29 And from before, He knew them, and He prefigured them in the likeness of the image of His Son, so that He would be The Firstborn of many Brothers.

 

[Brightfame52]

If God foreknew all without exception, then He predestinated all without exception, if He predestinated all without exception, then He called everyone without exception.

Rom 8:29-30

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

And if He called all without exception, then He Justified all without exception, and if He Justified all without exception, then He Glorified all without exception. This must be True if God Loved all without exception ! 2

 

[B-A-C]

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Those who He foreknew... OK, God knows the future... He knows who will choose Him. That still doesn't mean He made the decision for them.
But once they made the decision, it's predestined they will become conformed to the image of Jesus.

This verse has nothing to do with predestination.

 

[Rhema]

OK, God knows the future...

No He doesn't.

The future does not exist for it to be known.

Rhema

 

[Brightfame52]

Those who He foreknew... OK, God knows the future... He knows who will choose Him. That still doesn't mean He made the decision for them.
But once they made the decision, it's predestined they will become conformed to the image of Jesus.

This verse has nothing to do with predestination.

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