The Trinity...Biblical or NOT ???

[Veracity]

Readers.....here is something to consider. Here are just a few questions that should come to mind;


Think about this, if the holy Spirit is God the Father AND God the Son all at the same time, then please explain the following;


Luke.12
[10] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Holy Spirit, Spirit of God, essence of God, Him.



If they are ONE, how can you blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not the Father or Son?

Jesus is the flesh of God, crucified in your place, if you reject the spirit of God, you reject it all, all God promised, All God is, All God is capable of.



Mark.13
[32] But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Flesh


If they are ONE, how can the Father know the time and the hour, but NOT the Holy Spirit or the Son?

God thoughts are not our thoughts.


John.5
[22] For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

God made the rules, man breaks the rules and judges himself to damnation. Jesus IS the right arm of God, God saw that there could never be a perfect man, but God is Good, He provided the sacrifice. which is Christ, and by accepting the fact that He sufferered all we deservw, He becomes our salvation, God said He is the only Savior and the One True God. If you reject the Son, the provided lamb, you are judged according to that covenant.


If they are ONE, how can the Son judge man WITHOUT the Father and the Holy Ghost.

All power in heaven and earth was given to Jesus Christ, because God is God is God is God.

If they are one the way man says they are one how can these things be?

Man says God is three persons in One God.

God says He is One, He says He can do all things, He says He is our only Savior, He is the Creator, He is the Provider, He is the Lamb, He is All in All, a wheel within a wheel. He is the I AM.

:hourglass:

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[RJ]

Readers.....here is something to consider. Here are just a few questions that should come to mind;


Think about this, if the holy Spirit is God the Father AND God the Son all at the same time, then please explain the following;


Luke.12
[10] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Holy Spirit, Spirit of God, essence of God, Him.



If they are ONE, how can you blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not the Father or Son?

Jesus is the flesh of God, crucified in your place, if you reject the spirit of God, you reject it all, all God promised, All God is, All God is capable of.



Mark.13
[32] But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Flesh


If they are ONE, how can the Father know the time and the hour, but NOT the Holy Spirit or the Son?

God thoughts are not our thoughts.


John.5
[22] For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

God made the rules, man breaks the rules and judges himself to damnation. Jesus IS the right arm of God, God saw that there could never be a perfect man, but God is Good, He provided the sacrifice. which is Christ, and by accepting the fact that He sufferered all we deservw, He becomes our salvation, God said He is the only Savior and the One True God. If you reject the Son, the provided lamb, you are judged according to that covenant.


If they are ONE, how can the Son judge man WITHOUT the Father and the Holy Ghost.

All power in heaven and earth was given to Jesus Christ, because God is God is God is God.

If they are one the way man says they are one how can these things be?

Man says God is three persons in One God.

God says He is One, He says He can do all things, He says He is our only Savior, He is the Creator, He is the Provider, He is the Lamb, He is All in All, a wheel within a wheel. He is the I AM.

:hourglass:

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Think about this, if the holy Spirit is God the Father AND God the Son all at the same time, then please explain the following;


Luke.12
[10] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

If you believe that when a person is "Born Again"..."Born of the Spirit" or becomes a Christian; then, they are indwelt with the Holy Spirit' and thus saved.

Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit is rejection of God's grace and therefore rejection of his salvation. Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit is also called the unforgivable sin.
Mark 3: 28-29
<SUP>28</SUP> I assure you that human beings will be forgiven for everything, for all sins and insults of every kind. <SUP id=en-CEB-24314 class=versenum>29</SUP> But whoever insults the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. That person is guilty of a sin with consequences that last forever.”

 

[gdemoss]

Let's answer a little at a time...them maybe some of your other questions may answer themselves.

Rev.1
[1] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
[2] Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.


So we have God the Father giving this revelation to Jesus Christ. Jesus sent that same message to John by his angel, in this case, by an Holy Angel. And the bible tells us that John bare record of the word of God. So John bare the words of God and now ALL of the word can read what thus said the Lord. Let's now read what Jesus called His WORDS....

John 6
[55] For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
[56] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
[58] This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

Jesus tells us if we eat His flesh and drink His blood that He will dwell in us and we will dwell in Him. Not only will He dwell within us, if we eat His flesh, drink His blood and eat the bread that He gives we will live forever. Well we know this can not be literal, so let's read how Jesus explains it.

[61] When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
[62] What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
[63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

So....Jesus was not talking about His flesh, blood and bread...it's His WORDS that are spirit and are life. So if we consume His words they will give life everlasting. But are we to ONLY read His words? Let's find out....

James 1
[22] But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
[23] For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

So we cannot just HEAR the words of Jesus, we must do as they tell us. But what about those that did not hear these words from the mouth of Jesus? Is there another way to hear His words?

John 16
[13] Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
[14] He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
[15] All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

So the spirit of truth/Comforter/Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost will come and ONLY speak what was given to him to speak. So the Holy Spirit will speak those same WORDS that was given to him by Jesus, who was given His words by the Father.

And what did Jesus say about His words? They are spirit and life.

And now we can see this all coming together. Let's read what becomes of ALL that have and bring the same message from God.

John 17
[8] For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
[14] I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

So the words that was given to the disciples were not the word of Jesus, but were the word that Jesus received from the Father.

[20] Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

And Jesus pray for ALL that believe in the word that they bring. And what happens to all that receive their word?

[21] That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Jesus tells us they ALL may become one.

And let's not forget what did Jesus say will happen if they received His words, or as He said, eat His flesh and drink His blood? "...dwelleth in me, and I in him."

Well now we know how God dwells in Jesus and how Jesus dwells in the Father; Jesus ate and drank those same words that were given to Him by the Father and now the Father dwells in Him and He in the Father. And now BOTH of them are on one accord. But not just with eachother...they are also ONE with ALL that receive and eat and drink those same words.

So this is how God's spirit can dwell in ALL of us at one time. If we eat and drink the words given to us by Jesus and the Holy Spirit we ALL are one with Christ, the Father and the Holy Spirit.




Let's try this without scriptures. Let's use that other great gift God gave us......common sense.

Jesus had to learn just as anyone else about God, so we can assume that His learning started at home and later by going to temple. It's is obvious that God gave Him some knowledge, as we know He read and taught in the temple at a very young age.

So when He became the appropriate age the Holy Sprit/Angel/Ghost annoited Him and gave Him what? The message that God the Father had for him to give to Jesus. And as we read above...once that happened, once Jesus had the message of God from the Holy Spirit, they ALL became one; they ALL had the same message.

And just as God gave power to those saints in the OT; to raise from the dead, split the read see, draw water from a rock and will do the same with the two witnesses..so He gave power to His Son.

I pray this helps.


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Eccl12v13 I can truly appreciate the things you have said above. There must be some common thing by which all are made one. You have proposed that that thing is the message they have. I will not disagree that having the Word of God dwelling in our hearts makes us one. That those who have the same message are one. But to link this with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is error.

You said "So when He became the appropriate age the Holy Sprit/Angel/Ghost annoited Him and gave Him what?"

The answer is nothing. He was anointed with the Holy Spirit and power. Not by the Holy Spirit but by the Father. Just as I have the anointing of the Holy Spirit. Who explains to me what the scriptures mean.

Jesus and the Father are one because they are like in divine nature. They were 'one' as in of the same form 'god'. But Jesus at his Fathers command left being in the form of god and was found in fashion as a man. In that he was a man he was 'one' with all men in likeness of form but 'one' with the Father as he is his the express image of his person.

To all of us who believe gave he power to become the sons of God. In other words to partake of the divine nature in our human bodies. So we would all be 'one' as they are 'one' by partaking in the divine nature which is achieved by believing in and being born again through the Word of God. Which is followed by the receiving of the Holy Spirit. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is different of from the Word of God dwelling in us. The Holy Spirit gives gifts to each as he sees fit as the Word of God gives life to those that believe.

Both Jesus and the Holy Spirit hold the same office as far as being an advocate, comforter etc. The Greek word for comforter is the same as for advocate. It was in the resurrection from the dead that Jesus was given power over all in heaven and in Earth. He righteously earned his place after having originally leaving a similar position. And we are all 'one' with him 'if' we are living our divine nature as the new man created after the likeness of him. Else we are all 'one' with the world and that spirit that works in the children of disobedience.

God Bless

Gary

 

[gdemoss]

If you believe that when a person is "Born Again"..."Born of the Spirit" or becomes a Christian; then, they are indwelt with the Holy Spirit' and thus saved.

Being born again and being indwelt by the Holy Spirit are two different things.

 

[RJ]

Being born again and being indwelt by the Holy Spirit are two different things.

Flesh gives birth to flesh and Spirit gives birth to the spirit.

Jesus told Nicodemus you must be "Born Again" to enter the kingdom of God. To be "Born Again" is to be born of the spirit and when you are born of the spirit that is your 2nd birth and you are indwelt with the Holy Spirit.

 

[spirit1st]

Being Born -Again , born of God ,born from above and born of our Spirit is all God giving us a new Beginning. By giving us a New Spirit! Then He dwells in our New spirit! That is why He never leaves or forsakes us!

and if we want more of His Spirit in our spirit ? We just ask Our Father God in Faith !

Luk_11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Every child of God is called to minister! Each child is anointed for there Job which is different!
He can use any of us in any way at any time!

2Co_6:4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,


2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Rom_12:7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;

1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[gdemoss]

Flesh gives birth to flesh and Spirit gives birth to the spirit.

Jesus told Nicodemus you must be "Born Again" to enter the kingdom of God. To be "Born Again" is to be born of the spirit and when you are born of the spirit that is your 2nd birth and you are indwelt with the Holy Spirit.

Yes, I used to think so too. That is until I realized that Jesus expected Nicodemus to know this. Being born again was not something that was new. Being born of the spirit was nothing new. Being indwelt by the Holy Spirit as a gift of God after believing the gospel is something new and something very different. The words of God are spirit Jn 6:63 not the Holy Spirit. Man must be born again by the Word of God which is spirit not the Holy Spirit. Consider 1 Peter 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God". And Titus 3:5 "but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration" Washing of regeneration can be translated baptism of rebirth which is what Jesus did with the church "washing it by the water of the word". Being born again is about having God as your Father and not Satan. Just as Jesus taught when he spoke of God or Satan as being a father, it is about whom you are like or obey. Through out the Old Testament you find those who heard the word of God and ultimately changed what they were like and who they followed. They were born again without having the indwelling Holy Spirit.

I pray that you come to understand this truth.

 

[RJ]

Yes, I used to think so too. That is until I realized that Jesus expected Nicodemus to know this. Being born again was not something that was new. Being born of the spirit was nothing new. Being indwelt by the Holy Spirit as a gift of God after believing the gospel is something new and something very different. The words of God are spirit Jn 6:63 not the Holy Spirit. Man must be born again by the Word of God which is spirit not the Holy Spirit. Consider 1 Peter 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God". And Titus 3:5 "but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration" Washing of regeneration can be translated baptism of rebirth which is what Jesus did with the church "washing it by the water of the word". Being born again is about having God as your Father and not Satan. Just as Jesus taught when he spoke of God or Satan as being a father, it is about whom you are like or obey. Through out the Old Testament you find those who heard the word of God and ultimately changed what they were like and who they followed. They were born again without having the indwelling Holy Spirit.

I pray that you come to understand this truth.

Thanks for the prayers but I already have my understanding from the truth and the word, which are both the same in Jesus Christ.
John 3
<SUP id=en-NIV1984-26116 class=versenum>5</SUP> Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. <SUP id=en-NIV1984-26117 class=versenum>6</SUP> Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit<SUP class=footnote value='[b]'>[b]</SUP> gives birth to spirit.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one my friend!!

 

[gdemoss]

John 3
5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one my friend!!

I can't agree to disagree, friend. It would be doing you an injustice.

Look at the verse you quoted. "no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the spirit."

I believe this scripture too. Unless Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were born of spirit they cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were not indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. Matt 8:11

They were born of water and spirit. Not the Holy Spirit.

By the way in the Greek it is "πνεύματος" or "of spirit" not "of the spirit" the "the" is the translators addition. It does make a difference in the way it reads. When I think of 'the spirit' my mind always goes to our Lords Holy Spirit.

My hope is that you wont immediately dismiss what I say unto you. In your post you assured me that you were already settled on the issue. Please take some time to reflect on this. All you have done is throw a verse out as your proof text for believing the new birth is the Holy Spirit. It doesn't even agree with the context of John 3 much less the whole council of God.

May the Holy Spirit be your guide

Gary

 

[RJ]

I can't agree to disagree, friend. It would be doing you an injustice.

Look at the verse you quoted. "no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the spirit."

I believe this scripture too. Unless Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were born of spirit they cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were not indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. Matt 8:11

They were born of water and spirit. Not the Holy Spirit.

By the way in the Greek it is "πνεύματος" or "of spirit" not "of the spirit" the "the" is the translators addition. It does make a difference in the way it reads. When I think of 'the spirit' my mind always goes to our Lords Holy Spirit.

My hope is that you wont immediately dismiss what I say unto you. In your post you assured me that you were already settled on the issue. Please take some time to reflect on this. All you have done is throw a verse out as your proof text for believing the new birth is the Holy Spirit. It doesn't even agree with the context of John 3 much less the whole council of God.

May the Holy Spirit be your guide

Gary

It is your choice my friend, you are the one that does not want to agree to disagree, not mine. So, nonetheless, I guess that we will just have to disagree.

No, I will let God council me and not you. Jesus died on the cross for our sins and his resurrected life gives us eternal life through his indwelling, his (The Holy Spirit), by which we are saved.

I am a Non-denominational Christian, I was Born Again on October 14th, 2004.

What say you? When were you Born Again? What faith or denomination are you?

 

[spirit1st]

1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

no one was Born -Again till JESUS rose from the DEAD!

1Pe_4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
1Pe_3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;


Act_4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

 

[gdemoss]

What say you? When were you Born Again? What faith or denomination are you?

I was born again on Jan 26, 2008. On this date I believed God and it was accounted to me for righteousness. I am a follower of Jesus Christ the Son of God as he is found in the Holy Scriptures. I am of the faith of Christ as he is in me and I am not a reprobate.

God teaches through his Holy Spirit which indwells believers. I take into consideration that the words you say may be coming from the Holy Spirit as instruction to me. I test your words against the written word which the Holy Spirit has written for us. Those that fail the test I reject as your having been deceived. Those that pass the test I most assuredly receive.

I am always willing to change my understanding based upon revelation of the truth. It has been revealed to me that being born of the spirit is not the same as being indwelt by the Holy Spirit. You disagree which is your choice. If my words come from the Holy Spirit and you blaspheme them then you will have to answer for that. And vice versa.


My hope is that none of us is deceived by Satan. Unfortunately some of us will be and will end up in the lake of fire. One of us is blind to the truth and that is a scary thought no matter which side you are on. Both of us are absolutely certain we have the truth. But there was a time that I was absolutely certain that there was no God either.

I will continue to pray for both of us that we are not deceived but enlightened to the absolute truth of the Word of God. The possibility remains that we could both be wrong and headed on a course of damnation. Of course we are both persuaded this isn't so.

May the truth in Christ be known unto all men,

Gary

 

[RJ]

I was born again on Jan 26, 2008. On this date I believed God and it was accounted to me for righteousness. I am a follower of Jesus Christ the Son of God as he is found in the Holy Scriptures. I am of the faith of Christ as he is in me and I am not a reprobate.

God teaches through his Holy Spirit which indwells believers. I take into consideration that the words you say may be coming from the Holy Spirit as instruction to me. I test your words against the written word which the Holy Spirit has written for us. Those that fail the test I reject as your having been deceived. Those that pass the test I most assuredly receive.

I am always willing to change my understanding based upon revelation of the truth. It has been revealed to me that being born of the spirit is not the same as being indwelt by the Holy Spirit. You disagree which is your choice. If my words come from the Holy Spirit and you blaspheme them then you will have to answer for that. And vice versa.


My hope is that none of us is deceived by Satan. Unfortunately some of us will be and will end up in the lake of fire. One of us is blind to the truth and that is a scary thought no matter which side you are on. Both of us are absolutely certain we have the truth. But there was a time that I was absolutely certain that there was no God either.

I will continue to pray for both of us that we are not deceived but enlightened to the absolute truth of the Word of God. The possibility remains that we could both be wrong and headed on a course of damnation. Of course we are both persuaded this isn't so.

May the truth in Christ be known unto all men,

Gary

Acts 2:21
And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’

John 10:9
I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+10:8-10&version=NIV1984

He is the good shepard and my salvation.

 

[gdemoss]

Acts 2:21
And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’


I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.


He is the good shepard and my salvation.

Your posting scripture without your commentary to help others understand what you are saying is useless. What these scriptures say to me within the context of the whole council of God is probably not what you think they say.

On another note: Please take into consideration others when you post links. Those who cannot post links yet must completely edit your posts before they can quote what you say.

 

[RJ]

Your posting scripture without your commentary to help others understand what you are saying is useless. What these scriptures say to me within the context of the whole council of God is probably not what you think they say.

On another note: Please take into consideration others when you post links. Those who cannot post links yet must completely edit your posts before they can quote what you say.

For most these scriptures are self expanatory.

I am sure you have another explanation.

I am not quite clear what you mean by "links" that I post? I posted scripture not links?

 

[gdemoss]

For most these scriptures are self expanatory.

I am sure you have another explanation.

I am not quite clear what you mean by "links" that I post? I posted scripture not links?

You posted: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

You call it self explanatory, yet one has to answer the question what does it mean to call upon the name of the Lord? Can that be understood just by this scripture alone? Does the immediate context of Romans chapter 10 have anything to do with understanding it? What about considering it within the context of the New Testament? Whole bible?

I can do the same thing you did.

And being made perfect he became the author of eternal salvation to all them who obey him. (Heb 5:9)

Self explanatory. If you don't obey everything Jesus says your going to be tossed into the lake of fire. Period.

Doesn't this contradict your self explanatory verse?

We must be able to understand these verses within the context of the whole bible. The whole council of God.

1 Jn 1:9 seems to be self explanatory, all we need do is confess our sins. Consider the context. The thought begins with verse 5 'This then is the message' and concludes with verse 10 'and his word is not in us'. It is all part of the message. What message is he referring to?

What about verse 7, self explanatory? It says that being cleansed by the blood of Christ is conditional and based upon our walking in the light (our works).

Self explanatory - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Don't believe and get baptized - no salvation. Of course some say that it only says believeth not shall be damned, but common sense says that someone who doesn't believe isn't going to get baptized.

Self explanatory - Jesus wept.

OK I think we actually found one. By this verse we can agree that at least one time in his life Jesus wept. Of course there is a raging debate as to 'why' he wept.

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I'm not sure what is the difference between your posting verses and the way others post them but yours come coded as links to outside web pages. I personally just type the verse myself and then a ref after like this:

In the beginning God created the heaven and the Earth Gen 1:1

I wish I could show you what yours are coded as but this forum doesn't use the

tags to stop the rendering of bbcode.

God bless you and keep you

Gary

 

[Veracity]

I did not pose the questions I just put my answers in blue on my last post because I forgot to quote the original poster.

I have been through my bible over and over, and I cannot find, nor will anyone else find a place where God states that He is any different today than He was when He introduced Himself to Adam, Noah, or Abraham The "world" has created a doctrine out of a Genesis scripture that says, "Let US make man..." If indeed there was a 'WE' we don't have any idea who it was, who He was talking to, it is speculation, it is man jumping to conclusions.

God said He is ONE. He said there is NO God other than Him. Period. He said He is our ONLY Savior, He is our ONLY creator. He said He would save His people by His Own Right arm, He said He would do it.

God is able to do ALL things. To divide God up, and say there are three persons that make up one God so He can do all things is not biblical. There was no Triune God until the Nicaean council decided there was, and that was well after Gods own declarations.

Jesus said to baptize in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, not names. Jesus came in Gods name, His Father that begot Him in Marys womb. Now wait, Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit...(GOD) Yes, God can beget Himself, why not? Where does it say He cannot? Who then would this spirit be? Something extra that God needs?? (who by the way said He is Spirit {GOD}).

Please, anyone list the scriptures where ANYONE in the Bible was baptized using "in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit..." Just one scripture, prove the Trinity with that One scripture. You will never find it because the Apostles KNEW who Jesus was, is and will be.

You will also see that God Is our wonderful Creator, Savior and comforter, and able to DO ALL THINGS!! There is a whole recipe in Believe On the Name of Jesus, many ingredients in the Bread of life, for us 'a triune creature' in serving ONE singular GOD.

Jesus is a Mighty Good God!!!

I am not A "Oneness Pentecostal". I was not raised in any denomination, I read the Bible. There are a lot of man made things they hang a doctrine on too, they dont like me either...lol.

 

[agua]

God said He is ONE. He said there is NO God other than Him. Period. He said He is our ONLY Savior, He is our ONLY creator. He said He would save His people by His Own Right arm, He said He would do it.

God is able to do ALL things. To divide God up, and say there are three persons that make up one God so He can do all things is not biblical.

Let's suppose for a moment this thread is about the duality of God. Father and Son. We see tons of evidence they are both God and are separate entities.

How do you explain this according to God being One ?

 

[spirit1st]

Listen Jesus was and is our Perfect example! That is why He came as a baby!
He had to learn everything!
He was only given what we can know and the power we also can live in!

in fact? He said we could do greater works1 I have NOT!
When He spoke? He spoke from his flesh mind and the understanding He had! He was taught by the Holy spirit as we are to Be!

He was a real man !

Luk 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.


Heb_4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Joh 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

1Pe_2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

Thank you JESUS! Sorry i have Not followed you perfectly!

 

[duckybill]

Well spotted duckey. I talk with JWs on a daily basis and they are tricky characters. JWism looks so innocent on the outside. But it is straight from the pit of hell. Their jesus that they have made from perverting Holy Scripture cannot be found in the Holy Bible. Their NWT has been changed and perverted throughout, it no longer resembles the Bible. Jesus is God. There is no mistake about this. He tells us so Himself out of His own mouth in Rev. 1 verses 8, 11, 17 and 18. Rev. 21 v 6 and Rev. 22 v13. Many more verses in Scripture hint of the Godhead. Zec 12:10 and 1 John 5:7 KJV to name a couple. Be blessed all, me.

I was told by a JW that God is going to destroy me because I believe in Jesus/God.