The Unteachable Christian: When Defending Your Position Matters More Than Truth

KingJ

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One of the most troubling things I encounter among professing Christians is not simply that they hold beliefs I disagree with. It is that some appear completely unwilling to reconsider those beliefs, even when Scripture is presented that directly challenges their position.

A Christian who genuinely loves the truth must be willing to be corrected by it.

Consider what Scripture teaches about those who refuse to learn.

1. The wise person accepts correction, but the fool resists it.

Proverbs 12:1 says, “Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish.”

Proverbs 9:9 says that instructing a wise person makes him wiser.

The issue is not whether someone already knows a great deal. The question is whether he is willing to learn when his understanding is challenged.

2. Hating correction is not evidence that you are defending the truth.

Proverbs 9:8 contrasts the person who hates reproof with the wise person who loves the one who corrects him.

Proverbs 15:31–32 teaches that listening to life-giving correction is the path of wisdom, while rejecting instruction is self-destructive.

Be careful not to confuse confidence in your beliefs with wisdom. A person can be absolutely convinced he is right and still be wrong.

3. A genuine desire for truth requires listening before answering.

James 1:19 commands us to be “swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath.”

Proverbs 18:13 warns that answering a matter before hearing it fully is folly and shame.

How often do people respond to an argument they have not properly understood? They seize upon one phrase, attack a side issue, or repeat their original position without addressing the actual objection.

That is not a serious examination of truth. It is a defence of one's existing position.

4. Scripture must correct our theology, not merely be used to defend it.

Acts 17:11 commends the Bereans because they examined the Scriptures daily to determine whether what they heard was true.

2 Timothy 3:16 teaches that Scripture is profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction in righteousness.

If we genuinely submit to God's Word, we must allow it to challenge our assumptions. We cannot insist that our interpretation is correct regardless of what the passages actually say.

The question is not whether we can find verses that appear to support our position. It is whether our position stands up to the full teaching of Scripture.

5. Repeating a claim does not prove it.

Proverbs 18:17 explains that the first person to present his case may seem right until another comes and examines it.

Proverbs 14:12 warns that a way can seem right to a person and still lead to destruction.

Simply repeating a theological conclusion, quoting the same passages again, or insisting that an opponent has misunderstood you does not establish that your interpretation is correct.

If an argument is challenged, address the challenge. If a Scripture is cited against your position, explain why it does not mean what your opponent claims. Do not simply restate your original conclusion and pretend the issue has been settled.

6. We must test what we hear, including what we already believe.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 says, “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.”

1 John 4:1 commands believers not to believe every spirit, but to test the spirits.

These commands do not exempt our favourite preachers, denominations, theological systems or personal interpretations. Everything must be tested against God's truth.

If you are willing to scrutinise everyone else's beliefs but refuse to scrutinise your own, you are applying a double standard.

7. Hearing the Word is not enough if we refuse to act upon it.

James 1:22 warns, “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”

A person can know biblical terminology, memorise passages, debate theology for hours and still refuse to let God's Word correct his thinking or conduct.

Knowledge is not the same as submission. Winning an argument is not the same as growing in Christ.

8. Pride can make a person impossible to teach.

Proverbs 11:2 teaches that pride brings shame, while humility brings wisdom.

Philippians 2:3 commands believers to act with humility rather than selfish ambition or conceit.

An unwillingness to admit error can reveal that protecting one's reputation has become more important than discovering the truth.

There is nothing shameful about saying, “I was wrong. I need to reconsider that.” In fact, the willingness to do so can be a mark of genuine humility.

9. We must correct others with patience, not hostility.

2 Timothy 2:24–25 teaches that the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome, but must be gentle, patient and able to correct opponents with meekness.

Galatians 6:1 instructs spiritual believers to restore someone caught in a fault in a spirit of meekness, while considering themselves.

Being teachable does not mean accepting every criticism or agreeing with everyone. It means being willing to examine correction honestly and respond according to Scripture.

Likewise, being right about a particular issue does not give us permission to become arrogant, cruel or self-righteous.

10. There comes a point when we must recognise that someone is unwilling to listen.

Proverbs 9:8 warns that a scoffer may respond to correction with hatred.

Matthew 7:6 teaches discernment about offering what is precious to those who will only trample upon it.

2 Timothy 2:23 warns against foolish and ignorant disputes that produce strife.

We are called to teach, correct and reason from Scripture, but we are not required to participate endlessly in arguments where every answer is ignored and every correction is met with another evasion.

Sometimes wisdom means recognising when further discussion is no longer productive.

A final question​

Before accusing someone else of being deceived, ask yourself:

Am I genuinely seeking what Scripture teaches, or am I merely seeking biblical support for what I have already decided to believe?

Would I change my position if Scripture clearly demonstrated that I was wrong? Am I willing to examine the passages in context, acknowledge a valid objection and admit when I have misunderstood something?

If the honest answer is no, then the problem is deeper than a disagreement over doctrine.

A person who refuses to be corrected cannot grow in the knowledge of the truth in the way that a humble, teachable person can.

Let us be Christians who love truth more than our traditions, Scripture more than our theological systems, and correction more than the comfort of believing we are always right.

The goal is not to win every argument. The goal is to be faithful to God's Word, even when it exposes our own mistakes.
 
A question we should all be willing to ask ourselves

It is easy to recognise stubbornness in someone else, but much harder to recognise it in ourselves.

If someone presented you with clear Scripture that contradicted one of your deeply held beliefs, would you honestly reconsider your position, or would you immediately search for a way to explain the passage away?

Do we approach Scripture willing to learn what God has revealed, or do we approach it determined to defend what we already believe?

Acts 17:11 commends the Bereans for examining the Scriptures to see whether what they were taught was true.

Proverbs 18:17 reminds us that the first side of an argument can appear correct until someone examines it properly.

And James 1:19 tells us to be swift to hear, slow to speak and slow to wrath.

Being teachable does not mean agreeing with everyone. It means being humble enough to examine the evidence, honest enough to acknowledge when we are wrong, and committed enough to follow the truth wherever it leads.

None of us should be more loyal to our own interpretation than to God's Word.

The question is not simply whether we believe we are right. It is whether we are willing to be corrected if we are wrong.
 
The bible is deliberately written in a way that leaves some mystery. 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 Had the first coming of Jesus and the redemption plan been crystal clear in the old testament, satan never would have crucified Him. For the second coming to unfold as a true test it is also left shrouded in mystery.

There are plenty of brilliant bible scholars who earnestly disagree on various bible topics. Each one so certain that their interpretation is correct.

I have a tendency to overthink things and on occasion find this short video helpful to get back to basics.


though I ... understand all mysteries, and all knowledge ... and have not charity, I am nothing 1 Corinthians 13:2

I was once falsely accused of being an unchristian liar by someone on these forums. "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."
 
A question we should all be willing to ask ourselves
Do we approach Scripture willing to learn what God has revealed, or do we approach it determined to defend what we already believe?
I don't know man, do you approach God willing to defer to your translation of choice?
Or should you approach God determined to defend what you already believe?
Yes there is humor in this.

Being teachable does not mean agreeing with everyone. It means being humble enough to examine the evidence, honest enough to acknowledge when we are wrong, and committed enough to follow the truth wherever it leads.
None of us should be more loyal to our own interpretation than to God's Word.
The question is not simply whether we believe we are right. It is whether we are willing to be corrected if we are wrong.
Thank God for 2nd Peter chapter 3, otherwise Saul of Tarsus' writings would be fiction, akin to the Biblia Sacra et Ultra and whatever your local Christian published today (Saint John 21:25).
 
@joestueI have moved your post here so as to not derail the other thread.

if this was your forum you would be the only one posting in it, as you would ban everyone who disagrees with you.

Sure, many, definitely you. I pray you come to understand why that is.

The problem is that many of my opponents seem unconcerned that their interpretation of Scripture completely misrepresents God's character and portrays Him as evil and unjust.

We can disagree on doctrine, but not every interpretation is equally defensible. One thing that should never be up for debate is that God is good Psalm 136:1, just Job 34:12 and righteous Psalm 145:17. Any interpretation must be consistent with these attributes as clearly revealed in Scripture. Facts not up for debate. Your doctrine either agrees or it is false. God is good, therefore a doctrine that portrays Him as clearly evil is false. God being good = fact. Your doctrine being scriptural = not a fact.

Taking you as an example, you promote Calvinism and its teaching that God chooses some individuals for salvation while passing over others. You place great emphasis on Romans 9:21 while failing to account for the wider biblical revelation of God's character and His desire for all people to be saved (1 Timothy 2:3-4; 2 Peter 3:9).

You have also argued that children as young as 11 deserve eternal punishment based on your personal experience.

When you present your interpretation as biblical truth despite what I regard as serious contradictions with God's revealed goodness and justice, you risk doing precisely what Scripture warns against: promoting false teaching (2 Peter 2:1). I will challenge that teaching, just as I expect you to challenge mine if you believe I am misrepresenting God and Scripture.

For argument's sake, how can anyone claim in one breath that God is perfectly good, just and righteous, yet in the next teach that He deliberately chooses to save some people while leaving others to suffer eternal punishment when He could have saved them too? How can that be reconciled with God's goodness and justice? These are not attributes we are free to redefine to accommodate our theology. Our interpretation of Scripture must uphold God's character, not undermine it.
 
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I don't know man, do you approach God willing to defer to your translation of choice?
Or should you approach God determined to defend what you already believe?
Yes there is humor in this.


Thank God for 2nd Peter chapter 3, otherwise Saul of Tarsus' writings would be fiction, akin to the Biblia Sacra et Ultra and whatever your local Christian published today (Saint John 21:25).

All our interpretations must properly represent the clearly revealed attributes and character of God.

1. Good: Psalm 119:68 (KJV) “Thou art good, and doest good; teach me thy statutes.”
2. Just: Deuteronomy 32:4 (KJV) “All his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.”
3. Righteous: Psalm 145:17 (KJV) “The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.”
4. Love: 1 John 4:8 (KJV) “He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.”
5. Merciful: Psalm 103:8 (KJV) “The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.”
6. Impartial: Romans 2:11 (KJV) “For there is no respect of persons with God.”
7. Truthful: Titus 1:2 (KJV) “In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began.”
8. Omniscient: 1 John 3:20 (KJV) “For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.”
9. Patient: 2 Peter 3:9 (KJV) “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
10. Holy: Isaiah 6:3 (KJV) “And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.”

God is all of these at the same time.

When we apply this filter to our own theories and those of others, the garbage being taught by false teachers becomes exposed.

Calvinism is one of the easiest examples to use as a case study.

People come along, read Scripture, namely Romans 9:21, which says that God can make one vessel unto honour and another unto dishonour, and 1 John 3:20, which says that God knows all things, and then put a full stop there. They proceed to preach that God has in fact decided to create vessels unto dishonour and save only some people from eternal punishment.

They do this while ignoring that Scripture also teaches that God is impartial (Romans 2:11) and is not willing that any should perish (2 Peter 3:9).

Just because God can make vessels unto dishonour does not automatically mean that He does.

At this point I honestly struggle to understand whether their 'brain is no longer working' or whether they are false teachers who simply do not care that their teaching misrepresents God.

I mean for arguments sake, they teach that God is monstrously evil (Creator + partial + eternal punishment = monster) yet in the same breath claim that He is good and righteous. They redefine righteousness to mean, in effect, "Whatever God does is righteous simply because He is God." This does not explain how their interpretation reflects God's revealed goodness and justice. It simply redefines righteousness to protect their theology.

The end result is that they portray God in a way that will completely put all off God and Christianity.

I am truly surprised that Calvinists are even Calvinists. Imagine being someone who chooses to serve and obey a God you believe is ... partial.
 
All our interpretations must properly represent the clearly revealed attributes and character of God.
Amen. There is no contradiction in The Word. We mortals lack discipline lol

When we apply this filter to our own theories and those of others, the garbage being taught by false teachers becomes exposed.
Calvinism is one of the easiest examples to use as a case study. [...]
They do this while ignoring that Scripture also teaches that God is impartial (Romans 2:11) and is not willing that any should perish (2 Peter 3:9).

Just because God can make vessels unto dishonour does not automatically mean that He does.
Yeah, like how one of the best angels decided to become an evil creature all on their own. This emphasizes the importance for accountability on our part as other created beings, and also how essential it is for Jesus Christ to be our Divine Advocate.

The end result is that they portray God in a way that will completely put all off God and Christianity.
I am truly surprised that Calvinists are even Calvinists. Imagine being someone who chooses to serve and obey a God you believe is ... partial.
Yeah, like Judas Iscariot, after witnessing so many miracles, could have gone to the Cross and begged forgiveness from Christ. But nope... somehow despite people like Saul of Tarsus and others, Judas walked into Hell on his own. Guilt is terrible, and Hell is Hell, but even the outright possessed can be saved by Jesus!
 
Hi @Brightfame52 , so as to not derail your other thread, I have copied and pasted our discussion here.

Ive given you plenty of scripture.

You are getting yourself lost in Calvinistic theology and not responding logically to logical arguments I am raising.

Please try understand that. Put Calvinism aside, take a step back and just meditate on the 'logic' of what I am accusing you of.

Anyone of us can be deceived. I am telling you in simple terms that you are deceived and giving you sound logical reasons for it.

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I mean for arguments sake, lets use a very logical and clear example. Your belief teaches that God will send your cute and adorable eight year old daughter (let's assume you have one) , that you LOVE SO MUCH to an ETERNAL FIRE, whether she repents of her sins or not. Whether she is a good person or not. It is all irrelevant. The fact that she is a child, also irrelevant.

How are you 'ok' with serving such a God?

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Before I was a Christian and even more now, I interrogate the bejeepers out of God. If there is ''ANYTHING' that I see as evil by Him, I will NOT serve Him. And this is why I am such a DEVOUT Christian today. There is NOTHING evil in God. He and scripture has passed all my scrutiny.

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Good people / or people who love what is good serve a good God. How is that good people ( I assume you) can serve an evil god?

IE Why are you such a proactive Calvinist when you believe God will send many who have absolutely no say in the matter, to an eternal fire? How do you not see that as a sick and monstrous god creator?
 
For argument's sake, how can anyone claim in one breath that God is perfectly good, just and righteous, yet in the next teach that He deliberately chooses to save some people while leaving others to suffer eternal punishment when He could have saved them too? How can that be reconciled with God's goodness and justice? These are not attributes we are free to redefine to accommodate our theology. Our interpretation of Scripture must uphold God's character, not undermine it.
its an answer to a paradox, not a matter of character.

You persist in missrepresenting this matter because you have to, in order to preach an almost total universalism gospel, where all good boys go to heaven with the exception of a few bad adults.

I read somewhere recently that the purpose of Romans, (where we find 99% of calvanist theology) --it was is a legal defense written to defend Paul. -and i have no doubt that is true. i have never been inspired to read any of it!

but if you believe it and the other 12 letters we think were written by him to be INSPIRED. then you would do better to pay attention to his theology, and the warnings he gave for many sins having a far harsher outcome than your current taste palate can handle.


and thank you for pointing out the MATT 22:14 translation from the forum default "world english bible". the translators showed you there is a problem with that one as well.

No one in english says "many are called but few chosen" -there needs to be an "are" in there.
Instead what Jesus said "for many (the masses, everyone, as a result of the former guests not attending) are called but few choose" meaning:
Few choose to attend the wedding feast he was just speaking a parable about.


If you want to prefer your "many are called but a select few are chosen"

well, that's just back to calvanism once again, God picks favorites and chooses them.

otherwise, what reason do you have for 97% of the world rejecting Jesus?
 
You persist in missrepresenting this matter because you have to, in order to preach an almost total universalism gospel, where all good boys go to heaven with the exception of a few bad adults.

Discussion with you can be so painful. You need to quote exactly what I state. Not make assumptions.

A belief can and must be judged according to what it teaches. You are accusing me of judging a belief with a bias. You need to rather understand that I have arrived at my belief from harshly judging it. Have I not made that clear in the post you responded to?

I more than welcome anyone to judge any of my beliefs and try find fault with them. But you guys, do not do the same. You are closed to correction and do not have any respective fear of God. God says He is impartial and you teach He is partial...all because Rom 9:21 says He could be if He wanted to. And then are 'fine' with serving a cough cough partial God...and teach / lie to the young and say that a partial God is evil, not evil, He is God, we don't have a say. What sick and twisted, low IQ, brain rot drivel.

I don't mind being called a universalist. I believe we should all be 'pro rehabilitation' of the even the most wicked. Imagine not wanting all to be saved. I believe all can be saved. I believe God wants that too. In fact I don't need to 'believe', I know God wants that according to scripture (posted below).

But we know from scripture that many will not choose to repent of their sins and accept Jesus. Which is why.....one of the FIRST questions I will ask God when I see Him, is why? Why does God not believe in rehabilitation of the wicked. Why ''eternal'' hell. I believe God's answer will be exactly as stated in scripture ''Only He can judge the heart Jer 17:9-11 and see that someone is sold out to sin full measure Gen 15:16''. It is a truth we cannot grasp. Just believe. One that He will definitley need to give us more insight on in heaven. And He will. Because He IS GOOD Psalm 136:1 and He is RIGHTEOUS Psalm 145:17 and He is JUST Job 34:12 in ALL HIS WAYS Psalm 145:17.

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Scripture that clearly states God desires all to be saved.
  • 1 Timothy 2:4: God wills all people to be saved.
  • 2 Peter 3:9: God is not willing that any should perish.
  • Ezekiel 33:11: God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked but calls them to turn and live.
  • Ezekiel 18:23: God asks whether He takes pleasure in the wicked dying rather than turning and living.
  • Matthew 23:37: Jesus wanted to gather Jerusalem's children, but they were unwilling.
  • John 3:17: God sent His Son so that the world might be saved through Him.
 
I read somewhere recently that the purpose of Romans, (where we find 99% of calvanist theology) --it was is a legal defense written to defend Paul. -and i have no doubt that is true. i have never been inspired to read any of it!

but if you believe it and the other 12 letters we think were written by him to be INSPIRED. then you would do better to pay attention to his theology, and the warnings he gave for many sins having a far harsher outcome than your current taste palate can handle.

Romans 9 is not difficult to read. In Romans 9:21, Paul uses the potter and clay analogy to establish God's authority as Creator. We are the creation, not the Creator. That is the point of the analogy.

But Calvinists take God's sovereignty a step further and argue that He has chosen to withhold saving grace from many people He created, leaving them unable to be saved, yet condemning them for their sin.

'Just because God can does not mean He does'. Scripture is clear that God is righteous and just. A theological interpretation that portrays Him as deliberately withholding the only means of salvation from people He could save raises a serious moral problem that cannot simply be dismissed by appealing to His sovereignty.

Calvinism is a clear cherry picking and twisting of scripture. It is so blatantly obvious.

and thank you for pointing out the MATT 22:14 translation from the forum default "world english bible". the translators showed you there is a problem with that one as well.

No one in english says "many are called but few chosen" -there needs to be an "are" in there.
Instead what Jesus said "for many (the masses, everyone, as a result of the former guests not attending) are called but few choose" meaning:
Few choose to attend the wedding feast he was just speaking a parable about.

If you want to prefer your "many are called but a select few are chosen"

well, that's just back to calvanism once again, God picks favorites and chooses them.

otherwise, what reason do you have for 97% of the world rejecting Jesus?

“many are called, but few chosen” is perfectly understandable English, with “are” understood in the second clause. More importantly, ἐκλεκτοί (eklektoi) means “chosen” or “elect,” not “choose.” Omitting “are” does not transform a passive adjective into an active verb. Your translation “few choose” therefore lacks grammatical support.

And your claim that “few are chosen” automatically means Calvinism is a separate theological argument, not a translation argument. The fact that many people reject Jesus does not give you permission to rewrite Matthew 22:14 to fit your preferred theology. Translate what the Greek says first, then debate its theological implication.

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Jo, the purpose of this thread is not to debate Calvinistic theology itself, but to expose how its representation of God is blatantly false.

Explain to me how you can believe in and follow an ideology that portrays God as a monster. How can you defend a belief system that teaches that God deliberately withholds saving grace from many people He created, leaving them without the grace necessary for salvation, and then condemns them? How is that not portraying God as morally evil, when Scripture clearly teaches that God is righteous and just?
 

when the child, doesn't make it to the age of 18, statistically speaking.. watch the video,

will the parent go to hell for teaching her child to sin?

Man you really do worry me.

If even the unsaved know to judge a minor differently from an adult, how is it that you as a Christian fail so hard?

Paul says you should be ashamed when you cannot exercise better judgment than the unbelieving world 1 Cor 6:1-9.

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You actually disgust me. I cannot believe I am on a Christian site talking to ''''professing'' Christian about God being just in punishing a ''''six'''' year old with eternal fire.

Man, you really need to take a step back and think about what you are typing. If you have and agree with it, you are the definition of a sick and twisted person that all parents in the church need to flag and remove!
 
@KingJ , (TMI, probably) this thread reminds me of many musicians that made their lyrical careers from such horrific ideations about our Holy Holy Holy Creator. I prayed so much for the lead singer of the Smashing Pumpkins over his lie-induced doom because he read a cultist rendition of The Word (someone preached another Christ), and I recognized it. I thank God Almighty that man is testifying to the Redeeming Grace of Jesus Christ today. There is one musician in particular that fell to Calvinism (a different Jesus) an based an album around it; but more to my astonishment, he depicted the notion that there are children in Hell, as if Christ would allow such a thing. I just pray many, many more people will follow Christ from the Holy Spirit of Truth in faithful testimony. I'm just sharing.
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@joestue , @Brightfame52 ... I copypasta'd the following Truth you already know. Here are passages as translated in the New American Bible Revised Edition (NABRE) mostly because it's not in medieval English:

1. 2 Corinthians 11:4
"For if someone comes and preaches another Jesus than the one we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it well enough." [1]

2. Galatians 1:6–9
“I am amazed that you are so quickly forsaking the one who called you by [the] grace [of Christ] for a different gospel (not that there is another). But there are some who are disturbing you and wish to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach [to you] a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed! As we have said before, and now I say again, if anyone preaches to you a gospel other than the one that you received, let that one be accursed!”

3. Matthew 24:23–24
(Because the NABRE uses the term "Messiah" instead of the Greek-derived word "Christ" in this verse, the text reads as follows:)
“If anyone says to you then, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false Messiahs and false prophets will arise, and they will perform signs and wonders so great as to deceive, if that were possible, even the elect.”

4. 1 John 4:1–3
“Beloved, do not trust every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they belong to God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can know the Spirit of God: every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ come in the flesh belongs to God, and every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus does not belong to God. This is the spirit of the antichrist that, as you heard, is to come, but in fact is already in the world.” (Reference 1st Corinthians chapter 12 in the context of the entire Bible, especially verse 10.)

Amongst all the horrors inflicted upon people, Christians fighting other Christians for not loving Him enough is something else, especially when Jesus forgives others for far worse. Ugh, what's this thread about again..?

The Unteachable Christian: When Defending Your Position Matters More Than Truth​

Oh yeah. Doubters versus Jesus...
Saint John 14:6-7
⁴ “Where am going you know the way.” ⁵ Thomas said to him, “Master, we do not know where you are going; how can we know the way?” ⁶ Jesus said to him, “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” ⁷ “If you know me, then you will also know my Father. From now on you do know him and have seen him.”


The early Christian movement was originally called "The Way".
 
I more than welcome anyone to judge any of my beliefs and try find fault with them.
We are dealing with an infinite God. Humans are inherently bad at grasping infinity. Mathematicians are slightly better but only enough to know that we understand the infinite so poorly. One of the first things you learn in calculus is Gabriel's horn. An infinitely long shape with a finite volume but an infinite area. Logic would suggest that if you can fill a shape with paint then it should be possible to paint its surface. An "obvious" but wrong conclusion when dealing with infinity.

For argument's sake, how can anyone claim in one breath that God is perfectly good, just and righteous, yet in the next teach that He deliberately chooses to save some people while leaving others to suffer eternal punishment when He could have saved them too? How can that be reconciled with God's goodness and justice? These are not attributes we are free to redefine to accommodate our theology. Our interpretation of Scripture must uphold God's character, not undermine it.
In Luke 9:60 "Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead". That seems harsh (not good) but to God/Jesus who is infinite, those who will be dead are dead and were dead. How can we, with an almost complete ignorance of the infinite, judge the infinite God's goodness regarding who is alive and who is dead?

We do not realize it but all of our obvious "logical conclusions" are based on assumptions by our finite mind which are not applicable to an infinite God.
 
Yeah, like Judas Iscariot, after witnessing so many miracles, could have gone to the Cross and begged forgiveness from Christ. But nope... somehow despite people like Saul of Tarsus and others, Judas walked into Hell on his own. Guilt is terrible, and Hell is Hell, but even the outright possessed can be saved by Jesus!
We see the cross afterwards so to speak, and not in real time as they did. Not too many if any believed Jesus would rise again until He did! So, for Judas or almost all others, to have the belief that Christ at the Cross could do anything but die as we all do, much less provide forgiveness was not a belief any would agree to much less have thought of then. Maybe, if they understood the Word of God that they had (Isaiah 53:4-5, Psalm 22:16-18, Zechariah 12:10, Deuteronomy 21:23), or remembered His words it could have happened (Matthew 16:21-23, 17:22-23, 20:17-19 and others) but the Holy Spirit the helper, rememberer if you will that brought His words back to them, with understanding that they were yet to receive fully, was not their's until after His Ascension. As you have noted guilt is terrible to have and hold unto. Judas Iscariot, had the weight of his guilt upon him, and sadly like many even in this day, see suicide as the only way out.

Just an observation here, that's all. :)

God bless.
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