Trinity Verse Removed?

[Bendito]

Which is a lie. There is no "trinity". There is no third person called "holy spirit". There is the Father and his sons. His firstborn son is Yeshuah, Then angels are also sons of God, who are also airflows of God. And then man, who are adopted as sons of God.

So you're saying that I should believe you, and not the bible?

 

[povawiqe]

So you're saying that I should believe you, and not the bible?

Believe both. I am telling you what the bible says, not what the forgery of the trinity tells you.

 

[Bendito]

Believe both. I am telling you what the bible says, not what the forgery of the trinity tells you.

But I don't need you to tell me what the bible says. I can read and the Holy Spirit speaks to me too. I know that you didn't really think you are the only one He speaks to. Right? Also, the bible demonstrates the trinity.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Hi Everyone,

While reading John chapters I came across 1 John 5:7.
i realised its not in RSV!
Why is that so?

This research at this site should help answer your questions;

Should 1 John 5:7 Belong In Scripture?;

Additional research at this link below which seems to add a touch of sarcasm towards our educational facilities, but you can give grace to that.

Why 1 John 5:7 Belongs in Scripture

 

[povawiqe]

But I don't need you to tell me what the bible says. I can read and the Holy Spirit speaks to me too. I know that you didn't really think you are the only one He speaks to. Right? Also, the bible demonstrates the trinity.

Many people claim to have the airflow of God, and do not have him. There are plain manuscript evidences that prove the teaching of the trinity was forged unto the scriptures. You can either chose to deliberately ignore that these verses were forged, or not. The choice is yours. But there is no denying these verses were tampered with. Its just very difficult for believers to unlearn what they have been indoctrinated with.

 

[Bendito]

Many people claim to have the airflow of God, and do not have him. There are plain manuscript evidences that prove the teaching of the trinity was forged unto the scriptures. You can either chose to deliberately ignore that these verses were forged, or not. The choice is yours. But there is no denying these verses were tampered with. Its just very difficult for believers to unlearn what they have been indoctrinated with.

Ah? The you are saying that the Holy Spirit talks to you? And not to me? Hmmm. Ok. How did you come to that conclusion? The Holy Spirit doesn't talk to people about other people. So I believe Him over you any day. If He tells me its a false thing in the Bible then I'll black it out in my bible. Until then....I'll believe you are wrong about it. Fair? I mean, since He is God, and you're not?

 

[povawiqe]

Ah? The you are saying that the Holy Spirit talks to you? And not to me? Hmmm. Ok. How did you come to that conclusion? The Holy Spirit doesn't talk to people about other people. So I believe Him over you any day. If He tells me its a false thing in the Bible then I'll black it out in my bible. Until then....I'll believe you are wrong about it. Fair? I mean, since He is God, and you're not?

As I said, there are many men that claim to have the airflow of God, and do not actually have him. They speak in their own hearts, and say "ah, the holy spirit told me this!", but it is nothing more than their own voice inside their own heart. I have already shown you concerning the forgeries of the trinitarian verses. If you truly had the airflow of God, you would agree with me, not disagree with me on this.

 

[Bendito]

As I said, there are many men that claim to have the airflow of God, and do not actually have him. They speak in their own hearts, and say "ah, the holy spirit told me this!", but it is nothing more than their own voice inside their own heart. I have already shown you concerning the forgeries of the trinitarian verses. If you truly had the airflow of God, you would agree with me, not disagree with me on this.

So....since what you say disagrees with the Book, how do I know you have the Holy Spirit. Especially since the Book does not call Him the "airflow of God"? Personally I feel you are a false teacher. But that's only MY opinion.

 

[povawiqe]

So....since what you say disagrees with the Book, how do I know you have the Holy Spirit. Especially since the Book does not call Him the "airflow of God"? Personally I feel you are a false teacher. But that's only MY opinion.

The scriptures themselves prove I am right in what I am telling you. Believe, or do not believe.

 

[Bendito]

The scriptures themselves prove I am right in what I am telling you. Believe, or do not believe.

And yet you have not given a single scripture to convince me. You've only made judgmental statements, and a few accusations. Where is your scriptural proof?

 

[povawiqe]

And yet you have not given a single scripture to convince me. You've only made judgmental statements, and a few accusations. Where is your scriptural proof?

I already gave you the scriptural proof with manuscript evidence. What evidence? That the 1 John trinitiarian verse was tampered, which is why it only exists in manuscripts in the 14th century and onwards. And that the Matthew trinitarian verse exists in a different version in another manuscript and by other early authors, "in my name". Even the scriptures themselves prove that doing things in the name of the trinity is false, because we are to do things in the name of Yeshuah ALONE, according to many verses in the new testament.

 

[Bendito]

I already gave you the scriptural proof with manuscript evidence. What evidence? That the 1 John trinitiarian verse was tampered, which is why it only exists in manuscripts in the 14th century and onwards. And that the Matthew trinitarian verse exists in a different version in another manuscript and by other early authors, "in my name". Even the scriptures themselves prove that doing things in the name of the trinity is false, because we are to do things in the name of Yeshuah ALONE, according to many verses in the new testament.

I do not want manuscript evidence. I can write that myself. I want scripture for proof. You said there is scriptural proof. Well....? Put up or ....

 

[povawiqe]

I do not want manuscript evidence. I can write that myself. I want scripture for proof. You said there is scriptural proof. Well....? Put up or ....

Here is the scriptural proof,

Go, and make disciples of all the nations in my name, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you, (Matthew 28:19)

For there are three that testify: the airflow and the water and the blood; and these three agree. (1 John 5:7-8)

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Yeshuah Messiah for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the set-apart airflow. (Acts 2:38)

because the set-apart airflow had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Master Yeshuah. (Acts 8:16)

So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Yeshuah Messiah. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
(Acts 10:48)

On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Master Yeshuah. (Acts 19:5)

And whatever you should ask in my name, this I shall do, that the father should be glorified in the son. (John 14:13)

And everything, what ever you should do in word or in work, do all in the name of the Master Yeshuah, giving thanks to the God and father by him. (Colossians 3:17)

And when they believed Philip announcing good news, the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Yeshuah Messiah, they were immersed, both men and women. (Acts 8:12)

I just quoted the Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7-8 verses in their original form, which coincides with all these other scriptures that everything must be done in the name of Yeshuah ALONE, not in the name of the trinity. This is your scriptural proof. You can either chose to believe what I am saying, or not.

 

[Bendito]

Here is the scriptural proof,

Go, and make disciples of all the nations in my name, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you, (Matthew 28:19)

For there are three that testify: the airflow and the water and the blood; and these three agree. (1 John 5:7-8)

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Yeshuah Messiah for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the set-apart airflow. (Acts 2:38)

because the set-apart airflow had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Master Yeshuah. (Acts 8:16)

So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Yeshuah Messiah. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
(Acts 10:48)

On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Master Yeshuah. (Acts 19:5)

And whatever you should ask in my name, this I shall do, that the father should be glorified in the son. (John 14:13)

And everything, what ever you should do in word or in work, do all in the name of the Master Yeshuah, giving thanks to the God and father by him. (Colossians 3:17)

And when they believed Philip announcing good news, the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Yeshuah Messiah, they were immersed, both men and women. (Acts 8:12)

I just quoted the Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7-8 verses in their original form, which coincides with all these other scriptures that everything must be done in the name of Yeshuah ALONE, not in the name of the trinity. This is your scriptural proof. You can either chose to believe what I am saying, or not.

These are wonderful scriptures but they do not prove anything was forged. You said you could prove it by scripture. Unless you are telling God what He meant by these things?

 

[povawiqe]

These are wonderful scriptures but they do not prove anything was forged. You said you could prove it by scripture. Unless you are telling God what He meant by these things?

Yes they do. "in the name of Yeshuah" IS NOT "in the name of the Father, son and holy spirit". Even without looking at the manuscript evidences that prove there was forgery, the scriptures themselves prove the trinitiarian version of the verses are forged.

 

[Bendito]

Yes they do. "in the name of Yeshuah" IS NOT "in the name of the Father, son and holy spirit". Even without looking at the manuscript evidences that prove there was forgery, the scriptures themselves prove the trinitiarian version of the verses are forged.

Well.....believe what you want. Good LUCK to you Laddie

 

[Bendito]

Some Christians know just enough of the bible to be dangerous, or useless. Don't let that be you.

But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of stress. 2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, fierce, haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people. 6 For among them are those who make their way into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and swayed by various impulses, 7 who will listen to anybody and can never arrive at a knowledge of the truth. 8 As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of corrupt mind and counterfeit faith; 9 but they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, as was that of those two men.