Was Jesus a Jew?

[KerimF]

Hi All,

Since we are in ‘Talk Jesus’, please don’t hesitate to correct anything I say if it sounds wrong in your opinion/belief.

The teachings of the Jewish Prophets were inspired from Heaven.
Based on these teachings, a real Jew (as a real Muslim) has no right to love his enemies, mainly those who are seen as the enemies of Moses’ God (or Allah, in case of Muslims).
A real Jew (as a real Muslim) should resist evil in the name of Moses' God (or Allah), anytime anywhere he has the means to do it.

In other words, Jesus was crucified because He updated the Jewish teachings which had to be earthly ones (based on the natural human’s instincts) to the perfect spiritual ones that show how to deserve being in God’s Realm of Love, on earth and for eternity.

Yes, Jesus was born among Jews as I was born in a Catholic community. Do I look Catholic now?

Jesus is God, not a Jew, as my Father in Heaven is God, both they have One Loving Will/Power being unified, before Creation, by the Divine Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit (my helper in writing these words).

Kerim
An independent student of Jesus

 

[lentz]

I believe the scriptures are quite clear in stating he was a Jew.
The Woman at the well,Samaritan woman,called him a Jew and he did not correct her.

 

[KerimF]

I believe the scriptures are quite clear in stating he was a Jew.
The Woman at the well,Samaritan woman,called him a Jew and he did not correct her.

A human has the right to believe whatever he likes, unless he is enslaved by another human.

But Jesus here didn’t need to tell her He is not a Jew, because He told her clearly that He is the Promised Christ.

Now, if Jesus is a Jew, He has to obey the Jewish teaching that says “An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:” as all Jews should do, in the past till now. But did Jesus obey it on the cross? No, on the cross, He even forgave all his killers.

 

[lentz]

A human has the right to believe whatever he likes, unless he is enslaved by another human.

But Jesus here didn’t need to tell her He is not a Jew, because He told her clearly that He is the Promised Christ.

Now, if Jesus is a Jew, He has to obey the Jewish teaching that says “An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:” as all Jews should do, in the past till now. But did Jesus obey it on the cross? No, on the cross, He even forgave all his killers.

He came unto his own and they received him not. Who were they?
Jews

 

[KerimF]

He came unto his own and they received him not. Who were they?
Jews

I didn't hear yet of a Jew who doesn't mind condemning and killing, deliberately, another Jew who didn't commit any crime.

But you may respond and say, as the Honorable Jewish Elders did, Jesus did a big crime against the Jewish teachings and deserved to be crucified as a criminal.
If this is the case, Jesus, to you in the least now, is just a Criminal Jew!

 

[Brad Huber]

A jew needs to remember that God loves mercy, and to love your fellow man and stranger. All the laws are summed up in Love God and your neighbor as yourself. Jews and muslims alike both know this and yet they often forget those truths and focus on the justice or lack thereof they see in their own eyes.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Hi All,

Since we are in ‘Talk Jesus’, please don’t hesitate to correct anything I say if it sounds wrong in your opinion/belief.

The teachings of the Jewish Prophets were inspired from Heaven.
Based on these teachings, a real Jew (as a real Muslim) has no right to love his enemies, mainly those who are seen as the enemies of Moses’ God (or Allah, in case of Muslims).
A real Jew (as a real Muslim) should resist evil in the name of Moses' God (or Allah), anytime anywhere he has the means to do it.

In other words, Jesus was crucified because He updated the Jewish teachings which had to be earthly ones (based on the natural human’s instincts) to the perfect spiritual ones that show how to deserve being in God’s Realm of Love, on earth and for eternity.

Yes, Jesus was born among Jews as I was born in a Catholic community. Do I look Catholic now?

Jesus is God, not a Jew, as my Father in Heaven is God, both they have One Loving Will/Power being unified, before Creation, by the Divine Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit (my helper in writing these words).

Kerim
An independent student of Jesus

The Torah is the Jewish sacred text that contains the laws and teachings of the religion. It is considered to be the most important book in Judaism. The word “Torah” comes from the Hebrew word for “instruction” or “law.” The Torah does not specifically address the topic of enemies, but it does contain some laws and teachings that relate to this topic. For example, the Torah teaches that one should love one’s neighbor as oneself (Leviticus 19:18). This teaching could be interpreted to mean that one should not harbor hatred or resentment towards others, even one’s enemies. The Torah also contains the famous commandment to “love thy neighbor as thyself” (Leviticus 19:18). In addition, the Torah contains several laws that prohibit revenge or retaliation (Exodus 21:23-25, Leviticus 19:18). These laws suggest that one should not seek to harm those who have harmed them, even if they are enemies. Overall, the Torah does not specifically address the topic of enemies. However, it does contain some laws and teachings that relate to this topic. These laws and teachings suggest that one should not harbor hatred or resentment towards others, even one’s enemies.

Yes Jesus was/ is a Jew

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I didn't hear yet of a Jew who doesn't mind condemning and killing, deliberately, another Jew who didn't commit any crime.

But you may respond and say, as the Honorable Jewish Elders did, Jesus did a big crime against the Jewish teachings and deserved to be crucified as a criminal.
If this is the case, Jesus, to you in the least now, is just a Criminal Jew!

If you follow Jesus through the gospels, Jesus kept all of the law but did not keep the rabbinical law. That is, He kept the law laid down by God (Himself) but not the law laid down by the priests who always tried to control the people and make a profit off of them.

 

[KerimF]

A jew needs to remember that God loves mercy, and to love your fellow man and stranger. All the laws are summed up in Love God and your neighbor as yourself. Jews and muslims alike both know this and yet they often forget those truths and focus on the justice or lack thereof they see in their own eyes.

You say this from your heart.

Actually, when a person says deliberately that he is a Jew, he admits that he is willing to obey the teachings and observe the rituals which are approved by those who are supposed to represent Moses’ God on earth.

Similarly, when a person says deliberately that he is a Muslim, he admits that he is willing to obey the teachings and observe the rituals which are approved by those who are supposed to represent Mohammad’s Allah on earth.

Naturally, this also applies on every formal Christian who joined deliberately a certain Christian Church or Denomination.


I was born in a Catholic community. Then, when I was around 22, I was banned, as a teacher, from Sunday’s Catechism when I didn’t follow the Vatican’s examples (of the triangle and the like) to explain Trinity. Instead, I told my students:

God is the One Loving Will/Power of our Father in Heaven and Jesus, unified, since before Creation, by the Divine Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit.

I didn’t blame anyone for this because this image of God sounds clearly a blasphemy against the teachings of the Catholic Church (though not against my Farther in Heaven or Jesus).
And since I didn’t hear of any men in charge of a Christian Church approve this image of God, I used to introduce myself as ‘an independent Student of Jesus Christ’.

Finally, let us recall that in every family {Matthew 10:34} and in every community around the world there is always who may be called as in the movie ‘The Good, the Bad and the Ugly’ Only the powerful rich deceivers around the world insists (for their interests) in generalizing and dividing the world as good and bad communities. Otherwise, it will be very hard for them to convince the world’s multitudes to kill each other in their planned bloody conflicts and wars (their mines of gold).

 

[lentz]

I didn't hear yet of a Jew who doesn't mind condemning and killing, deliberately, another Jew who didn't commit any crime.

But you may respond and say, as the Honorable Jewish Elders did, Jesus did a big crime against the Jewish teachings and deserved to be crucified as a criminal.
If this is the case, Jesus, to you in the least now, is just a Criminal Jew!

So you’re against Jews?
I don’t understand the point you are trying to make.

 

[Curtis]

Jesus did a big crime against the Jewish teachings and deserved to be crucified as a criminal.

Luke 23:4 Then said Pilate to the chief priests and to the people, I find no fault in this man.

John 18:38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

John 19:4 Pilate therefore went forth again, and saith unto them, Behold, I bring him forth to you, that ye may know that I find no fault in him.

John 19:6 When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him.

Jesus the faultless and sinless Son of God was crucified as the spotless lamb of God.

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Jesus was crucified because he referred to himself as the King of the Jews.

Joh 19:15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

 

[Curtis]

Actually, when a person says deliberately that he is a Jew, he admits that he is willing to obey the teachings and observe the rituals which are approved by those who are supposed to represent Moses’ God on earth.

Gal 2:16 Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law.”

 

[lentz]

I didn't hear yet of a Jew who doesn't mind condemning and killing, deliberately, another Jew who didn't commit any crime.

But you may respond and say, as the Honorable Jewish Elders did, Jesus did a big crime against the Jewish teachings and deserved to be crucified as a criminal.
If this is the case, Jesus, to you in the least now, is just a Criminal Jew!

People are the same the world over. It’s just that some individuals are better or worse than others.

 

[lentz]

You say this from your heart.

Actually, when a person says deliberately that he is a Jew, he admits that he is willing to obey the teachings and observe the rituals which are approved by those who are supposed to represent Moses’ God on earth.

Similarly, when a person says deliberately that he is a Muslim, he admits that he is willing to obey the teachings and observe the rituals which are approved by those who are supposed to represent Mohammad’s Allah on earth.

Naturally, this also applies on every formal Christian who joined deliberately a certain Christian Church or Denomination.


I was born in a Catholic community. Then, when I was around 22, I was banned, as a teacher, from Sunday’s Catechism when I didn’t follow the Vatican’s examples (of the triangle and the like) to explain Trinity. Instead, I told my students:

God is the One Loving Will/Power of our Father in Heaven and Jesus, unified, since before Creation, by the Divine Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit.

I didn’t blame anyone for this because this image of God sounds clearly a blasphemy against the teachings of the Catholic Church (though not against my Farther in Heaven or Jesus).
And since I didn’t hear of any men in charge of a Christian Church approve this image of God, I used to introduce myself as ‘an independent Student of Jesus Christ’.

Finally, let us recall that in every family {Matthew 10:34} and in every community around the world there is always who may be called as in the movie ‘The Good, the Bad and the Ugly’ Only the powerful rich deceivers around the world insists (for their interests) in generalizing and dividing the world as good and bad communities. Otherwise, it will be very hard for them to convince the world’s multitudes to kill each other in their planned bloody conflicts and wars (their mines of gold).

So you are one who believes the lie,the Jews rule the world.
Own all the banks,the diamond industry,are the power over and behind the world’s politicians. Classic

 

[KerimF]

The Torah is the Jewish sacred text that contains the laws and teachings of the religion. It is considered to be the most important book in Judaism. The word “Torah” comes from the Hebrew word for “instruction” or “law.” The Torah does not specifically address the topic of enemies, but it does contain some laws and teachings that relate to this topic. For example, the Torah teaches that one should love one’s neighbor as oneself (Leviticus 19:18). This teaching could be interpreted to mean that one should not harbor hatred or resentment towards others, even one’s enemies. The Torah also contains the famous commandment to “love thy neighbor as thyself” (Leviticus 19:18). In addition, the Torah contains several laws that prohibit revenge or retaliation (Exodus 21:23-25, Leviticus 19:18). These laws suggest that one should not seek to harm those who have harmed them, even if they are enemies. Overall, the Torah does not specifically address the topic of enemies. However, it does contain some laws and teachings that relate to this topic. These laws and teachings suggest that one should not harbor hatred or resentment towards others, even one’s enemies.

Yes Jesus was/ is a Jew

Thank you, you confirmed here that a good Jew is told to love his neighbor who, naturally, is a Jew too. Even Pagans love their neighbors, right?
Or... you are telling me that among those who are killing each other in Palestine there are no Jews at all, right?

Jesus loved His killers and forgave them.
Does a Jew in Palestine dare to express even a sympathy towards those who attack what is known as the 'Promised land' and be honored by his fellow Jews around him?
You may say that also most Christians in the world, if not all, don't mind defending themselves as the today's Jews in Palestine do. But does Jesus bless them for doing this?

Does a Jew know that every rich man is created to just serve the material world and not to enter the God's Realm of Love (God's Kingdom, if you like)? Why Jesus said this belongs to another topic.
Does a Jew know that talking about world peace is non-sense since even the members of the same family can hardly live in peace together though they share many common things?
Does a Jew know that every human was given the power to forgive or not whoever offend him?
Does a Jew know that the best prayer is done privately?
...

I mean; If Jesus didn't come, I couldn't hear all these natural truths (besides others) from anyone including a Jew who may know the Torah very well.
Anyway, if you feel better in repeating that Jesus is a Jew, I don't mind. I know Jesus and Jesus know me.

 

[Christ4Ever]

I didn't hear yet of a Jew who doesn't mind condemning and killing, deliberately, another Jew who didn't commit any crime.

Now, if Jesus is a Jew, He has to obey the Jewish teaching that says “An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:” as all Jews should do, in the past till now. But did Jesus obey it on the cross? No, on the cross, He even forgave all his killers.

Jesus is God, not a Jew, as my Father in Heaven is God, both they have One Loving Will/Power being unified, before Creation, by the Divine Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit (my helper in writing these words).

Dear Brother KerimF,
I hope I do not jump around too much for you! Too often it really comes down to almost the entirety of Scripture and not just a few verses to arrive to the starting gate and believe not everything has been covered.

What will help with the concept of Jesus being a Jew, stands easily by the virtue that Scripture for all extensive purposes says so. Yes, Jesus is God, but He is also fully man as well. Notice that He is called Son of God, but also Son of Man. You will find the lineage is one example that shows His Jewishness. Of course God is Eternal, so no lineage is possible or necessary. And Jewishness is really but a point in time from Abraham, who of course was not Jewish!

As far as the Law goes, there are examples where Jesus corrects with right understanding how the people were seeing/using the Law in that day. Some times we forget who the Originator of the Law was but God Himself, and so who but Jesus would know it best!

Bounce: First one must understand who the Law is for. Which can be found in 1 Timothy 1:8-11.
[1Ti 1:8-11 NKJV] But we know that the law [is] good if one uses it lawfully, 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for [the] lawless and insubordinate, for [the] ungodly and for sinners, for [the] unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.

Bounce: Now take a look at Matthew 7:12 "Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
As you can see, He has communicated a real basic reasoning that should come to a person who is seeking to follow the Law but uses different words than "an eye for eye or tooth for a tooth", yet it communicates the very same thing. I guess He really personalizes it for the listener and now for us the reader.

I like how the NLT says this: [Mat 5:17-20 NLT] 17 "Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God's law will disappear until its purpose is achieved. 19 So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God's laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. 20 "But I warn you--unless your righteousness is better than the righteousness of the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven!
Too often we see the law without Grace. If and we know that it is, one, the law, comes from God, then it must include grace which in Christ Jesus it does. One must always remember that Jesus came as He Himself said in the above verse, "to accomplish their purpose", and it is not a manly perspective but a Godly one. Remember we know God to be what? Love. Alleluia!

1 John 4:8 NKJV] He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

Being tempted of a Lawyer, Jesus answered Him thus in Matthew 22:37-40 KJV Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

So, in truth if you want to know about the Law, you go to Jesus to find out about it, who is as I said the Originator of it, you do not attempt to set Him against the very thing He created! It really is trying to bring Him down, which we should never attempt to do with God! \o/

This is why we can go around and around and around when talking about the Law, and when we bring in Jesus, then we must bring in God's Grace to it as well!!! And so the entirety of Scripture becomes our playground for learning, and growing in Him, and not comparing Him against!

I hope I was not too confusing in my explanation. I could take almost forever in analyzing what I wrote above, and take away, and add to it, and still believe I do not have it all covered! Plus, I wind up adding too many smiley faces to what I write because to me it is a Joy to talk about my Jesus! lol

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
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[Curtis]

Does a Jew in Palestine dare to express even a sympathy towards those who attack what is known as the 'Promised land' and be honored by his fellow Jews around him?
You may say that also most Christians in the world, if not all, don't mind defending themselves as the today's Jews in Palestine do. But does Jesus bless them for doing this?

Rom 13:3 For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you.
Rom 13:4 The authorities are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong.

 

[Beetow]

When the Word of John 1:1 came into the world as the flesh of John 1:14, he didn't
come as divine flesh, rather, he came as Jewish flesh.

● Rom 8:3 . . God sent His own son in the likeness of sinful flesh

● Heb 7:14 . . It is clear that our Lord descended from Judah.

The "our Lord" in that verse came into the world on track to take David's place as
king of the Jews.

● Luke 1:32 . .The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David

No man can be considered for David's place except they first and foremost be
Judah's paternal offspring.

● Gen 49:10 . The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from
between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs.

The man considered must also be David's paternal offspring.

● Ps 89:35-36 . . Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
His seed shall endure forever, and his throne as the sun before me.

● Ps 132:11 . .The Lord has sworn in truth unto David; and He will not turn from it:
"Of the fruit of your body will I set upon your throne"

The New Testament verifies that Jesus satisfies the paternal requirement.

● Acts 2:29-30 . . Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch
David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day.
Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him,
that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on
his throne.

● Rom 1:1-3 . . Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David
according to the flesh

The Greek word for "seed" is a mite ambiguous because it can refer to spiritual
progeny as well as to biological progeny; but in David's case; seed refers to
biological progeny because his was 1) the fruit of his body and 2) of his loins
according to the flesh.
_

 

[KerimF]

So you’re against Jews?
I don’t understand the point you are trying to make.

How could I have anything against Jews or any other humans while I am a student of Jesus Christ?
My point is that a Jew has a law to obey as it is the case in any earthly kingdom (religious or civil).
But Jesus came to tell me (and the world) that living God's Unconditional Love is beyond all laws and is the sole gate/way for a human to deserve being in God's Realm of Love, on earth and for eternity (the Everlasting Life).

If you can't understand this huge difference, you have no choice but to see Jesus as being another Jewish Prophet mush like my Muslim friends are supposed to believe.

 

[lentz]

How could I have anything against Jews or any other humans while I am a student of Jesus Christ?
My point is that a Jew has a law to obey as it is the case in any earthly kingdom (religious or civil).
But Jesus came to tell me (and the world) that living God's Unconditional Love is beyond all laws and is the sole gate/way for a human to deserve being in God's Realm of Love, on earth and for eternity (the Everlasting Life).

If you can't understand this huge difference, you have no choice but to see Jesus as being another Jewish Prophet mush like my Muslim friends are supposed to believe.

First you say jews have law to obey,then say Gods love is above all laws.
The whole world,Jews and gentiles alike come only one way,through Jesus Christ.
Once a Jew accepts Christ he has the same liberty in Christ as you do.
Accept Christ,dead to the law