Was Jesus a Jew?

[KerimF]

Rom 2:28; For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh.
Rom 2:29; But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Rom 9:6; But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;

If Jesus is a Jew, He would be proud of His Jewish Prophets, right?
But Jesus tells me very clearly:
"Verily I say unto you, among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he."
Can any Jew say this?

 

[Curtis]

I meant the Jewish rulers at His time (I called them Elders since the actual rulers were Romans); those who paid Judas to help them capture Him.

The high priests were not Roman, they had to be a direct descendants if the Tribe of Levi.

Mat 27:3 When Judas, who had betrayed him, realized that Jesus had been condemned to die, he was filled with remorse. So he took the thirty pieces of silver back to the leading priests and the elders.

 

[Curtis]

If Jesus is a Jew, He would be proud of His Jewish Prophets, right?
But Jesus tells me very clearly:
"Verily I say unto you, among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he."
Can any Jew say this?

Well, a Jew did say that.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Kerim,

You certainly have a lot of posts to answer/reply to!

Please forgive me if my addition overloads you.

Can you tell me please, (from how you believe) what happens to/becomes those who do not unconditionally love, as you (claim to) do?


Bless you ....><>

 

[KerimF]

Rom 2:28 For you are not a true Jew just because you were born of Jewish parents or because you have gone through the ceremony of circumcision.
Rom 2:29 No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by the Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people.

Without having faith in Jesus there is no way you will ever please God.

Heb 11:6 And it is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him.

Whatever you do that is not of faith is a sin. (Romans 14:23)

You are right, the Jewish teachings were about pleasing God and avoiding His Wrath by their obedience of His law.
In other words, the ancient Jews (the kids of humanity) were supposed to see their Creator as an earthly king who needs followers and slaves to obey his rules in order to protect and take care of his kingdom.

But this image of God (usually adopted by Pagans, Muslims and Jews, even in our days) has vanished (to some humans) after the arrival of Jesus Christ.
The new image of God that Jesus revealed to those who perceive a living soul in them (besides their living mortal flesh):
God is the One Loving Will/Power of the Father in Heaven (not incarnated) and Jesus (incarnated), unified, since before Creation, by the Divine Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit.
In this image there are no more earthly things as a needy king, rules, punishment... etc,, just love and nothing but love.

But those who don't perceive any joy by opposing their robotic nature they have no choice but to obey the rules imposed on them with the hope to survive on earth as long as possible. if they are not atheists, they may also hope having a pleasant afterlife by submitting to a law of a certain Supernatural King (as Allah, the Arabic version of Moses' God)

 

[KerimF]

Well, a Jew did say that.

You mean that He also said that the mission of every Jewish Prophet wasn't greater than the mission of John the Baptist.
And what was the mission of this greatest Prophet?
It was to prepare the Jewish people for the arrival of Jesus among them. Therefore, this was also the mission of all previous Prophets,
Then Jesus arrived and this mission was fulfilled for good.

And this explains why there are still Jews in the world. They are looking for the arrival of an earthly Great King called... sorry I forgot his name... to let them rule the tiny planet, Earth, which is surfing in the huge universe.

 

[KerimF]

Greetings Kerim,

You certainly have a lot of posts to answer/reply to!

Please forgive me if my addition overloads you.

Can you tell me please, (from how you believe) what happens to/becomes those who do not unconditionally love, as you (claim to) do?


Bless you ....><>

They just end up, as explained by Jesus, to their raw state, their state before birth... as it is the case of all critters.
In other words, there will be no losers... from dust to dust... for free they gained life, for free they will lose it

There will be only winners... This is God's Love.

 

[KerimF]

The high priests were not Roman, they had to be a direct descendants if the Tribe of Levi.

Mat 27:3 When Judas, who had betrayed him, realized that Jesus had been condemned to die, he was filled with remorse. So he took the thirty pieces of silver back to the leading priests and the elders.

Sorry, I meant that Israel was occupied by Romans.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Kerim,

They just end up, as explained by Jesus, to their raw state, their state before birth... as it is the case of all critters.
In other words, there will be no losers... from dust to dust... for free they gained life, for free they will lose it

There will be only winners... This is God's Love.

So there must be some sort of law then?


Bless you ....><>

 

[Curtis]

There will be only winners... This is God's Love.

So there are no losers? How about those who are in hell right now and those who will be cast into the lake of fire? Are they winners too?

 

[lentz]

They just end up, as explained by Jesus, to their raw state, their state before birth... as it is the case of all critters.
In other words, there will be no losers... from dust to dust... for free they gained life, for free they will lose it

There will be only winners... This is God's Love.

So you’re saying they just cease to exist?
Are you one of Arnold Murray,Shepherds Chapel followers?

 

[KerimF]

Greetings Kerim,



So there must be some sort of law then?


Bless you ....><>

Please let us be realistic, when to love and trust another needs a rule or law to be imposed?

In fact, if a believer/theist insists that his God has a law to impose it on humans (this is very clear in Islam), he also knows that a serious law should be based on a well-defined limited list of rules. Therefore, he believes that his God is like an earthly King or Judge who is limited by his limited law he has to apply on him...

But the updated image of God, as revealed by Jesus Christ, is the image of God of Love, not Law. Such an image of God has no limit of any sort.

By the way, even in the material world, if a man or a woman is forced, for one reason or another, to marry, such a marriage is not seen real by many though it is legitimate.

 

[KerimF]

So there are no losers? How about those who are in hell right now and those who will be cast into the lake of fire? Are they winners too?

Well, this is what you are told by those who couldn't perceive the updated image of God, by Jesus, which is of Love, not Law.

Even an earthly loving father won't punish/hurt his own little baby, in any way, no matter what his baby may do to him or else.

But a human has also the right to believe whatever he likes. So, he can believe that his God (his Creator) is like an earthly King or Judge who is limited by his limited law (every serious law has to be based on a well-define limited set of rules) which has to to be imposed on him (the believer).

Would you please tell me what could be the boundaries/limits in the image of God of Love, as revealed by Jesus?

 

[KerimF]

So you’re saying they just cease to exist?
Are you one of Arnold Murray,Shepherds Chapel followers?

No, I am just an independent student of Jesus Christ?

Do you mean that 'Arnold Murray' also see God, as I do?
The One Loving Will/Power of the Father in Heaven (not incarnated) and Jesus (incarnated) unified, since before Creation, by the Divine Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit.

Thank you.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Kerim,

Please let us be realistic

Yes. Let us.

Not even a law of cause and effect, then?

Surely there must be a law that would render some dust and others not?


Bless you ....><>

 

[Christ4Ever]

Well, I personally can't say Jesus is a Jew, because the Holy Spirit (of Jesus and my Heavenly Father) is in me, and I am not a Jew.

In my life, I am guided solely by Love not by any Law. So, I have no special rituals or prayers to observe. And I don't have sacred/holy things, like the Jewish and Muslim temples and books. The only thing that I take care of and protect, at any price, is my soul. Yes, I can't deny that I am somehow selfish every time I feed my soul with the joy of loving some others unconditionally. And, naturally, I am glad I am mortal since the kingdom I am looking for is not of this world.

Dear Brother,
Of the physical birth that is true. You are not a Jew, but you have been grafted in through Abraham through Grace and not the Law which is Spiritual. That is why one must be born again. In Christ when you were born again, and given the Holy Spirit sealed you to it!!! Alleluia! A good read for you would be the reading of Romans Chapter 11. Yes, you are still a Gentile, but you are A Child of the Most High!!! \o/

The rest you have spoken a truth. I also do not have holy objects, or perform rituals, because they either move the focus to the thing, creation, and away from the Creator, or make it an action that loses its meaning over time. The exception I would say is Communion. For it is good to remember the cost, of one's Salvation. Remembering this helps one to remember that it is by Grace that one is Saved through faith in Jesus Christ! If I am not right in Spirit, then I do not partake of it. Which to others raises questions, they look at me sideways and are left to wonder why I am not partaking as they are. Others do it for many reasons, but are they right with the Lord when they do partake of it? Casting the cares of the World away, that your focus is Him, who gave it all, our Jesus in taking of Communion is a must!

Oh, there are other things as well that are good to do as well. Staying grounded in His Word, prayer, Worship, Assembly, fellowship are also important to a believer's life, but just going through the motions is dangerous to the believer. Better to sit as a bump on the log, and having a talk with our Heavenly Father, instead!!! He will help one if we turn to Him and He doesn't leave you unfulfilled if you ask Him!

It is a joy in loving others! Oh, and yes, we are in this World, but not of it!!! Ambassadors, going about the business that has been given to us to do! At least until He Returns or calls us Home! Alleluia!!!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
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[KerimF]

Greetings Kerim,



Yes. Let us.

Not even a law of cause and effect, then?

Surely there must be a law that would render some dust and others not?


Bless you ....><>

Oh, thank you for being clearer,
I got now what you mean by law... as the Newton's law in physics

The same law that lets a living critter return back to its raw state after its death applies on every human who also had to follow in his life just the natural instincts of his flesh as all critters do. Of course, one may argue that... who knows that a critter will not have also an afterlife. In this case I quit because this could lead us to zillions of ... who knows that....

The answer of the second half of your question is strictly a personal one. In other words, not every human can perceive his living soul besides his living flesh. Therefore, the law which is related to both the soul and God's Love cannot be perceived/lived by every human.

For instance, did you have the chance in your life to discover in your being any sign (a sort of reaction) which doesn't follow any laws that define your living flesh?

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings again Kerim,

Thank you for your reply.

Therefore, the law which is related to both the soul and God's Love

So there is a law.

did you have the chance in your life to discover in your being any sign (a sort of reaction) which doesn't follow any laws that define your living flesh?

Most of the time spent in my tent. And you?

However, let us not get sidetracked.

There is a law.

Is this, given that you wrote as much, contrary to what you have written previously? You will have to re-read your posts.


Did you know, the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death (to dust, if you prefer) ?

To fill with beauty
Fill from within


Bless you ....><>

 

[Curtis]

Well, this is what you are told by those who couldn't perceive the updated image of God, by Jesus, which is of Love, not Law.

Even an earthly loving father won't punish/hurt his own little baby, in any way, no matter what his baby may do to him or else.

But a human has also the right to believe whatever he likes. So, he can believe that his God (his Creator) is like an earthly King or Judge who is limited by his limited law (every serious law has to be based on a well-define limited set of rules) which has to to be imposed on him (the believer).

Would you please tell me what could be the boundaries/limits in the image of God of Love, as revealed by Jesus?

Jesus said…..

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

How do you suppose a person can escape hell? There is that unescapable law of sin and death that brother Bill referred to. If you operate in that law it will not go well with you. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus only operates for those who have put their total faith in Jesus as their savior. They did not through mental reasonings figure that out on their own, it only comes by revelation through the Spirit of God using the Word of God as its source. There is no mercy and grace of God if there was not justice of God.

Man has the ability to do and say anything he wants but man was not given the right to say and do anything he wants. Angels can say and do whatever they want but they were not given the right to say or do whatever they want. We can learn from the ones that tried that.

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

2Pe 2:4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;

God,s love is so vast he will let you go to hell if that is what you want Even though he tells people to choose life and not death.

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;

what happens to those who choose death? Those who do not chose to live according the law of the Spirit of life have chosen the law of sin and death.

 

[KerimF]

There is a law.

Did you know, the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death (to dust, if you prefer) ?

To fill with beauty
Fill from within


Bless you ....><>

I think the big difference between you (also many others) and me is what we hear from the word 'sin'.
On my side I have a lot to say about it (sin and sinning).

In brief, I knew that Jesus helped me know (with the guidance of the Holy Spirit) how to be free from what you call 'law of sin', when I was able to repeat, what Jesus says once, to those whom I live among: "Which of you convinceth me of sin?". No one around me did because they have no reason to accuse me about anything I did. For instance, during the terror that hit my city at the end of the 70's, a new neighbor 'thought' that I was one of the Islamist Brotherhood terrorists. So, in one midnight, armed soldiers and officers took me from home for investigation. To answer the first question of the investigator, I let him hear me for about 3 hours (from 10 AM to 1 PM) till he asked me to stop (yes, he broke the rule ) because it was time for his lunch Naturally, the next day they had to verify everything I said during these 3 hours. On the third day, a second investigator/officer had to listen to me for another 3 hours, so he called his barber to join us and cut his head hairs while I keep talking of what I know in life (including mine). At that noon, the former officer joined us to tell me that I can go home and added that he never imagined meeting a person (I was about 30) whose life's book is all clean pages as confirmed by all who knew him. Yes, I couldn't be that person without the knowledge I got from my Divine Perfect Teacher, Jesus Christ, my Savior.