Was Jesus a Jew?

[KerimF]

Jesus said…..

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Don't you see?
You are also told that you must fear the most loving Father (in Heaven) and Jesus (they both have One Will/Power by the Holy Spirit) because the word 'him' could mean anyone. They decided to tell their subjects that 'him' refers to 'God of Love' because this trend is in all other religious beliefs.

Yes, I usually fear (be in guard) being deceived by a human who plays the angel before the multitudes.

How could I fear the most I love and trust?!

But as long you have to see Jesus or the Father in Heaven like an earthly king looking for obedience, I am afraid you should fear him and try your best to obey all the rules that God's representatives on earth, you know, tell you about.

 

[Beetow]

FAQ: Do you not know it is the kindness of God, rather than fear and threats of
fiery justice, that leads men to repentance? (Rom 2:4)

REPLY: If the Bible's God weren't so kind, then He wouldn't bother with giving His
creatures advance notice of the horror in store for them in the afterlife.

● Luke 12:4-5 . . And I say unto you my friends; Be not afraid of them that kill the
body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom
ye shall fear: Fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into Hell; yea,
I say unto you fear Him.

Was Christ wrong to instill a fear of God within people's hearts? No; I think he was
110% justified. For example: when I was working as a professional welder for the
US Army Corps of Engineers, we had weekly and monthly safety meetings wherein
we were shown some grisly photographs of real life industrial accidents involving
burns, chain saws, punctured eyes, explosions, falls, crane collapses, suffocation,
crushing, and the like.

Let me tell you: those safety meetings got our attention, and really made a sharp
distinction between the fool and the wise. Somebody like Billy Graham needs to get
bacl out there and let people know that they're up against a celestial despot far more
dangerous than the CCP and/or North Korea's Kim Jong-Un.

A Danger Foreseen;
Is Half-Avoided.
(Cheyenne Proverb)

● Prov 22:3 . . A prudent person foresees the danger ahead and takes precautions;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.

The kindness of God has given the world fair and adequate notice of what to expect
in the afterlife. Those who don't care about it one way or the other would be well
advised to use what time they have remaining to begin preparing themselves for
the worst when they cross over to the other side.

"Knowing, therefore, the terror of The Lord; we persuade men. (2Cor 5:11)

"Take note of both the goodness and the severity of God." (Rom 11:22)
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[Curtis]

Don't you see?
You are also told that you must fear the most loving Father (in Heaven) and Jesus (they both have One Will/Power by the Holy Spirit) because the word 'him' could mean anyone. They decided to tell their subjects that 'him' refers to 'God of Love' because this trend is in all other religious beliefs.

Yes, I usually fear (be in guard) being deceived by a human who plays the angel before the multitudes.

How could I fear the most I love and trust?!

But as long you have to see Jesus or the Father in Heaven like an earthly king looking for obedience, I am afraid you should fear him and try your best to obey all the rules that God's representatives on earth, you know, tell you about.

What about those who are in hell today and those who will be cast into the lake of fire? Who put them there and why are they there? Did the love of God override the choice of those who will not be there?

 

[KerimF]

● Luke 12:4-5 . . And I say unto you my friends; Be not afraid of them that kill the
body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom
ye shall fear: Fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into Hell; yea,
I say unto you fear Him.

Was Christ wrong to instill a fear of God within people's hearts? No; I think he was
110% justified.

I guess you know that the word 'him' can refer to anyone.
So, what prevented Jesus to say 'God' or even 'your Father in Heaven' instead of 'him'?
Jesus used to be clear in whatever he said. Is it this 'him' an exception?
No, it is not an exception because Jesus used the word 'him' to refer to any strong deceiver (a human) who can lead others (for the interests of the group he serves) to destroy both their flesh and soul in the void (Jesus' hell).

No matter if the entire world fear God, I personally have no reason at all to fear, in any way, someone I really love and trust to no limit, mainly if this someone is my Heavenly Father and Jesus.

 

[KerimF]

What about those who are in hell today and those who will be cast into the lake of fire? Who put them there and why are they there? Did the love of God override the choice of those who will not be there?

Please don't tell me you believe in a loving Father in Heaven and, at the same time, in the existence of a torturing Hell.
Even an earthy loving father doesn't try hurting even a little his little baby no matter what his baby may do to him or else.

For instance, whoever believes of an eternal torturing realm, he also believes that both good (God) and evil (Satan) are equally eternal.

I wonder if you read my post #681 in the thread "What to expect in hell". It is somehow long to past it here too.

 

[Curtis]

Please don't tell me you believe in a loving Father in Heaven and, at the same time, in the existence of a torturing Hell.
Even an earthy loving father doesn't try hurting even a little his little baby no matter what his baby may do to him or else.

For instance, whoever believes of an eternal torturing realm, he also believes that both good (God) and evil (Satan) are equally eternal.

I wonder if you read my post #681 in the thread "What to expect in hell". It is somehow long to past it here too.

Ok, now I know what you believe. Hell is not real and everyone will be saved no matter what they do or believe. Universal salvation is a false doctrine of demons. Satan loves those who believe in his deception.

 

[KerimF]

Ok, now I know what you believe. Hell is not real and everyone will be saved no matter what they do or believe. Universal salvation is a false doctrine of demons. Satan loves those who believe in his deception.

Hell does exist which is the returning back to the state of void/nothingness (the state before birth). So, it is eternal but not a torturing eternal realm. It is much like an empty realm. Only Love is eternal and active to no limit in God's Realm of Love.

Yes, no matter what humans do, nothing will last forever but Love (Spirits of Love).

But this truth doesn't prevent many people to believe they are promised to rule with Jesus, the coming Great King, the tiny planet, Earth, which is surfing in the huge universe... for eternity. Yes, they didn't mind to believe that our actual time/space realm (including our planet) will last forever... for eternity..

Also, this truth doesn't prevent many people to believe that many virgins, I forgot their number for each man, waiting for them somewhere in Heaven, besides many other earthly things.

For instance, Pagans, Jews and Muslims have also their own way of Salvation: "Believe, you will be saved". And, to prove they do believe, they obey the rules approved by the representatives of God on earth (the God they are familiar to) and also observe the approved rituals by which they can express their submission to their God. You likely heard of these doctrines too, right?

So, it was natural that those who got the right and the means to approve (if not impose) what their Christians should believe or not, have simply followed the same way of their counterparts in Paganism, Judaism and Islam... to name a few. Therefore, it became natural that whoever says that Jesus came as the Divine Loving Teacher (the Living Word of God), not as another Idol asking to be worshipped or as an earthly king looking for slaves to obey him in his kingdom, should be seen by their Christians as of Satan.

Jesus already made me aware of this. After all, Jesus Himself was accused of what you may think of me, his student:
"But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils."

I mean; I expect always a reaction as yours. In these days, millions if not billions, feel the need to react as you do.

Salut,
Kerim

 

[Curtis]

Hell does exist which is the returning back to the state of void/nothingness (the state before birth). So, it is eternal but not a torturing eternal realm. It is much like an empty realm. Only Love is eternal and active to no limit in God's Realm of Love.

Yes, no matter what humans do, nothing will last forever but Love (Spirits of Love).

But this truth doesn't prevent many people to believe they are promised to rule with Jesus, the coming Great King, the tiny planet, Earth, which is surfing in the huge universe... for eternity. Yes, they didn't mind to believe that our actual time/space realm (including our planet) will last forever... for eternity..

Also, this truth doesn't prevent many people to believe that many virgins, I forgot their number for each man, waiting for them somewhere in Heaven, besides many other earthly things.

For instance, Pagans, Jews and Muslims have also their own way of Salvation: "Believe, you will be saved". And, to prove they do believe, they obey the rules approved by the representatives of God on earth (the God they are familiar to) and also observe the approved rituals by which they can express their submission to their God. You likely heard of these doctrines too, right?

So, it was natural that those who got the right and the means to approve (if not impose) what their Christians should believe or not, have simply followed the same way of their counterparts in Paganism, Judaism and Islam... to name a few. Therefore, it became natural that whoever says that Jesus came as the Divine Loving Teacher (the Living Word of God), not as another Idol asking to be worshipped or as an earthly king looking for slaves to obey him in his kingdom, should be seen by their Christians as of Satan.
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Jesus already made me aware of this. After all, Jesus Himself was accused of what you may think of me, his student:
"But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils."

I mean; I expect always a reaction as yours. In these days, millions if not billions, feel the need to react as you do.

Salut,
Kerim

I am sorry, but the Jesus you proclaim is not the Jesus I know as your Jesus is not found anywhere in scripture. Neither the God you serve is not the one I want to know.

2Co 11:3 But [now] I am fearful, lest that even as the serpent beguiled Eve by his cunning, so your minds may be corrupted and seduced from wholehearted and sincere and pure devotion to Christ. [Gen_3:4]
2Co 11:4 For [you seem readily to endure it] if a man comes and preaches another Jesus than the One we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the [Spirit] you [once] received or a different gospel from the one you [then] received and welcomed; you tolerate [all that] well enough! (AMP)

 

[Curtis]

Pagans, Jews and Muslims have also their own way of Salvation:

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Kerim,

I didn't hear yet of a Jew who doesn't mind condemning and killing, deliberately, another Jew who didn't commit any crime.

Is that (what you wrote) true?

A simple yes or no will suffice (if you want to reply), please.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings lentz,

First you say jews have law to obey,then say Gods love is above all laws.
The whole world,Jews and gentiles alike come only one way,through Jesus Christ.
Once a Jew accepts Christ he has the same liberty in Christ as you do.
Accept Christ,dead to the law

A new covenant. Agreement. But a Law.
According to most, if not all here, there is agreement that under the covenant, which God keeps, there is an outcome for all. That outcome is judged by how each keeps (or doesn't) [their side] of the covenant.


Bless you ....><>

 

[KerimF]

I am sorry, but the Jesus you proclaim is not the Jesus I know as your Jesus is not found anywhere in scripture. Neither the God you serve is not the one I want to know.

2Co 11:3 But [now] I am fearful, lest that even as the serpent beguiled Eve by his cunning, so your minds may be corrupted and seduced from wholehearted and sincere and pure devotion to Christ. [Gen_3:4]
2Co 11:4 For [you seem readily to endure it] if a man comes and preaches another Jesus than the One we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the [Spirit] you [once] received or a different gospel from the one you [then] received and welcomed; you tolerate [all that] well enough! (AMP)

From how we talk to each other, you are totally right.

It seems the world's deceivers managed to give us (you and me) two different teachings of Jesus on two books whose both titles are 'The Gospel'

If I understood you well, yours is about Jesus looking for believers who try their best to worship, obey and glorify Him.
Mine is just about how to live God's Love on earth as in Heaven,

Since I can't change myself, I hope yours is the true one, and you will be saved.

 

[KerimF]

Greetings Kerim,

I didn't hear yet of a Jew who doesn't mind condemning and killing, deliberately, another Jew who didn't commit any crime.

Is that (what you wrote) true?

A simple yes or no will suffice (if you want to reply), please.


Bless you ....><>

Yes and no. You know better than me, there are always exceptions to the rules

 

[Br. Bear]

My point is that a Jew has a law to obey as it is the case in any earthly kingdom (religious or civil).
But Jesus came to tell me (and the world) that living God's Unconditional Love is beyond all laws

Greetings,

Law again?


Bless you ....><>

Therefore, the law which is related to both the soul and God's Love cannot be perceived/lived by every human.

On again, off again.
Kerim, it appears that you can not make up your mind?

I understand the message you have been trying to share here (TalkJesus). You often write conflicting things and yet, for some reason, you do not appear to either want or be able to, address that.

I ask sincerely, is that love?

Most here know a fair bit about love and most of those can be transparent enough to let truth have the judgment if and when confronted (on friendly terms - a few even on unfriendly) . We can, by the Helper, admit and accept admonition and correction, because of the constraint Love puts on them/us as they/we have submitted their life to God the Father and Jesus Christ, looking unto Him Who is Love.

May I suggest that you have a day or two of a break and perhaps read some of your posts, so far?

As a student of Jesus, you would know He is patient with all. I know that I am a slow learner and He is patient with me.

It is OK (within limits) to make mistakes at school. (Under our Teacher)
If it was not, what sort if teacher would we be under?

Please consider my suggestion.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Title of this thread:
Was Jesus a Jew?

What is a Jew?
Anything to do with Judah?

Abram came from a lineage. He was also from an ancient culture that we often overlook and perhaps there are some who do not know from where Abram came and the 'religious' way of that place (and people) at that time.
Yet, not being a Jew, he became father of the Jew.

Can you see any parallel (s) in that?

What a mighty God we serve.


Bless you all ....><>

 

[KerimF]

On again, off again.
Kerim, it appears that you can not make up your mind?

I understand the message you have been trying to share here (TalkJesus). You often write conflicting things and yet, for some reason, you do not appear to either want or be able to, address that.

I ask sincerely, is that love?

Most here know a fair bit about love and most of those can be transparent enough to let truth have the judgment if and when confronted (on friendly terms - a few even on unfriendly) . We can, by the Helper, admit and accept admonition and correction, because of the constraint Love puts on them/us as they/we have submitted their life to God the Father and Jesus Christ, looking unto Him Who is Love.

May I suggest that you have a day or two of a break and perhaps read some of your posts, so far?

As a student of Jesus, you would know He is patient with all. I know that I am a slow learner and He is patient with me.

It is OK (within limits) to make mistakes at school. (Under our Teacher)
If it was not, what sort if teacher would we be under?

Please consider my suggestion.


Bless you ....><>

Although I couldn't get you well... language barrier?... I don't mind considering your suggestion.

 

[Br. Bear]

the rules

???

 

[Br. Bear]

Although I couldn't get you well... language barrier?

Greetings Kerim,

Please do not insult either yourself or me by using (misusing) language (barrier) as a cop out.

Please


Bless you ....><>

 

[Christ4Ever]

Greetings Kerim,

Please do not insult either yourself or me by using (misusing) language (barrier) as a cop out.

Please


Bless you ....><>

Dear @KerimF
By chance are you Arab?
If not, what is the culture from which you originate from, and whose language you are most comfortable with.
For one can know many languages, but there is always one that I won't say is dear to our heart, but usually the one that our thoughts go to when asked a question.
Mine used to be Spanish growing up, but then changed to English after time. lol

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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