What does it mean to be saved?

[Elihoenai]

And if I may add chapter 3:17 "And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving hanks to God the Father through Him.

As well as verse 15. about the peace of God dwelling in you richly , in all wisdom , teaching and admonishing one another....."

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

It's impossible for New Testament Christians to understand the Scriptures/Bible.

 

[JerryfromMass]

That's because at the moment I'm very far from the standard of a True Disciple.

Well then, go cut your hand and foot off, take the beam out of your eye, then come back and preach your perfectly sinless lifestyle. Until then, youre a heretic of the worse kind. I forgive you.

 

[Elihoenai]

@ Elihoenai -- Well -- yes, we Are New Testament Christians -- what other kind Is there.

What do you believe that You are?

I believe in every word of the Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation.

 

[JerryfromMass]

That's because at the moment I'm very far from the standard of a True Disciple.

You need to go the Christ in prayer and repent and seek forgiveness for your utter hypocrisy.

 

[Elihoenai]

Yes, in Christ 'we' are set free from the bondage of Sin. 'not of works, lest any man / person should boast'.

@Sue D. , Are you saying that you are Sinless?

 

[JerryfromMass]

@Sue D. , Are you saying that you are Sinless?

That's not what she said at all, Hebrew.

 

[Elihoenai]

You need to go the Christ in prayer and repent and seek forgiveness for your utter hypocrisy.

Isaiah 55:8-9

8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

The only Standard we are interested is Elohim's/God's Incomparable Highly Exalted Standard. We are not comparing ourselves to Men.

 

[Sue D.]

That's because at the moment I'm very far from the standard of a True Disciple.

How does a person Become a true disciple of Jesus Christ.

 

[Sue D.]

@ Elihoenai -- I'm definitely Not sinless -- but because of the blood of Christ -- not under the Bondage of sin. Unless a person Wants to be.

Lots of people are familiar with God's Word -- know if pretty well -- a great head -knowledge, but it needs to get into our heart. It is with the Heart -- not the organ that is beating inside of us. But with the 'soul' a person believes and then confessing with our mouth -- the Lord Jesus.

 

[JerryfromMass]

Isaiah 55:8-9

8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

The only Standard we are interested is Elohim's/God's Incomparable Highly Exalted Standard. We are not comparing ourselves to Men.

This will be my last interatcion with your poison heretical cult-talk.

You can never meet God's standard of moral excellence. Fool. You deny that Christ is the incarnate God, you deny HIS resurrection, you deny that God exists as Father Son and Spirit. You deny God. Heretic. Antichrist.

Interesting you chose Isaiah to cite how righteous you are in your own eyes. As Isaiah 64 says: All of your righteousness is like filthy fecal and blood-stained mentrual rags. You are filthy in your self-righteousness. Maybe that's what you filthy hrm heretics areall about: tell everyone how your righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees, and then behind closed doors sin til you're fast asleep. Only to get up the next day and be your self-righteous judaising heretic all over again.

You're of the devil, Satan is your daddy, and you put to shame the death, burial, and resurrection of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

The Lord rebuke you.

 

[Sue D.]

@Elihoenai -- JerryfromMass -- probably sounds harsh -- but there are certain Biblical teachings that a person can't get around.

You sound like a smart guy -- but you need to put God first and Jesus Christ being the Son of God -- salvation comes through Jesus Christ. Not obeying a bunch of laws.

The most important 'law' is to love the Lord God with all our heart, soul, mind, -- our entire being and Then our brother as ourselves.

 

[Garee]

What does that mean to You?

What Did Jesus do?

He did all the work working with the father that was required called the fulness of grace .He does not give a remnant of grace as if the work was not finished .

Not sure of Eihoenai's postition

 

[B-A-C]

You sound like a smart guy -- but you need to put God first and Jesus Christ being the Son of God -- salvation comes through Jesus Christ. Not obeying a bunch of laws.

But not obeying a "bunch of laws" can definitely keep you from being saved.

He did all the work working with the father that was required called the fulness of grace .He does not give a remnant of grace as if the work was not finished .

He did His part, we still have to do ours.

Heb 3:17; And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18; And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient?
Heb 3:19; So we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief.
Heb 4:1; Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.
Heb 4:2; For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard.
Heb 4:3; For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST," although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.

 

[Sue D.]

Actually those questions were meant for "Elih......"

WE're Not saved by keeping a bunch of laws.

 

[B-A-C]

WE're Not saved by keeping a bunch of laws.

Fine,
Go ahead kill, commit adultery, steal, lie, be homosexual, let me know how that works out for you.

1Cor 6:9; Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1Cor 6:10; nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal 5:19; Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20; idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21; envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1Jn 2:4; The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

 

[Garee]

But not obeying a "bunch of laws" can definitely keep you from being saved.


He did His part, we still have to do ours.

Heb 3:17; And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18; And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient?
Heb 3:19; So we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief.
Heb 4:1; Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.
Heb 4:2; For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard.
Heb 4:3; For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST," although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Yes those who do not mix or unite the work of faith the unseen eternal with the temporal things seen They cannot enter his rest .They have no power in the earthen bodies of death to perform the good work God requires .

He is doing his part as he works in us to both will and empower us to believe ? Is he your confidence?

The bible informs us He is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul pleases For he perfoms that which he appoints to us yoked with him we can rest. as he makes our hearts soft.

Philipiains 1: 6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

 

[B-A-C]

Philipiains 1: 6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

God began a good work with the sons of Israel. He was with them 40 years in the wilderness.
He was still with them 40 years later when they crossed over the Jordan into Canaan. But most of those who left Egypt never made to Canaan even though God finished His work.

You could say God finished His work with Judas as well.

 

[Garee]

Actually those questions were meant for "Elih......"

WE're Not saved by keeping a bunch of laws.

I was aware and yes we are saved by keeping one law as a comandment .(Acts 16:31)

He empowers us to believe, no power, no one faith, no faith, no God

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

 

[B-A-C]

I was aware and yes we are saved by keeping one law as a comandment .(Acts 16:31)

He empowers us to believe, no power, no one faith, no faith, no God

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

It's dangerous to build a doctrine on a few verses and ignore the majority of others.

John 5:28; "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

These people believed in Jesus, why didn't they make it in?

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

5 of the 7 churches in Revelation believed in Jesus, but they were told to repent or else.

The 5 foolish virgins believed in Jesus.

In order for a doctrine to be valid, it has to agree with all the Bible, not just a few select verses.

Jas 2:19; You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

 

[Garee]

God began a good work with the sons of Israel. He was with them 40 years in the wilderness.
He was still with them 40 years later when they crossed over the Jordan into Canaan. But most of those who left Egypt never made to Canaan even though God finished His work.

You could say God finished His work with Judas as well.

All Israel is not born again Israel or the new name the father named the bride Christian in Acts. Some are just in name.

Yes Judas was used to represent the "spirit of judgment” according to the tribe of Dan as those who fall backward slain in the Spirit .

In the book of Revelation the signified understanding. Neither the tribe of Dan nor the apostle Judas is used in the description of the bride of Christ the church. The spirit of judgment called the letter of the law will not enter the new promised order.