What does it mean to be saved?

[Garee]

"Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire." 1 Corinthians 3:12-15.

Great verse I would comment on the fire walking . But only as through fire walking in it with the Son of God using it to cleanse his new creation. The cleansing power of two or three that gather togerther under the authority of one God.


Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

 

[Elihoenai]

That's not what she said at all, Hebrew.

It's not possible for you to be Sinless and Perfect. The teachings of the Roman Catholic Church ensures Devil/Satan Worship and Christian failure.

The Satanic Freemason/Knights Templar Vatican Soldiers have given the masses Bastardised Religion, while the Freemasons/Knights Templar Practice True Religion.

This is the Roman Catholic Church:

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[Elihoenai]

How does a person Become a true disciple of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 4:19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.

By following everything that Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ does with total devotion.

 

[Elihoenai]

@ Elihoenai -- I'm definitely Not sinless -- but because of the blood of Christ -- not under the Bondage of sin. Unless a person Wants to be.

Lots of people are familiar with God's Word -- know if pretty well -- a great head -knowledge, but it needs to get into our heart. It is with the Heart -- not the organ that is beating inside of us. But with the 'soul' a person believes and then confessing with our mouth -- the Lord Jesus.

Therefore, you still have the Old Man in you. The Old Covenant is for the Old Man. Given that you are a Sinner, don't you see that you must practice the Old Covenant? You are condemned by the Law.

 

[Elihoenai]

This will be my last interatcion with your poison heretical cult-talk.

You can never meet God's standard of moral excellence. Fool. You deny that Christ is the incarnate God, you deny HIS resurrection, you deny that God exists as Father Son and Spirit. You deny God. Heretic. Antichrist.

Interesting you chose Isaiah to cite how righteous you are in your own eyes. As Isaiah 64 says: All of your righteousness is like filthy fecal and blood-stained mentrual rags. You are filthy in your self-righteousness. Maybe that's what you filthy hrm heretics areall about: tell everyone how your righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees, and then behind closed doors sin til you're fast asleep. Only to get up the next day and be your self-righteous judaising heretic all over again.

You're of the devil, Satan is your daddy, and you put to shame the death, burial, and resurrection of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

The Lord rebuke you.

John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

@JerryfromMass We are happy about your post. Scripture fulfilled!

 

[Elihoenai]

@Elihoenai -- JerryfromMass -- probably sounds harsh -- but there are certain Biblical teachings that a person can't get around.

You sound like a smart guy -- but you need to put God first and Jesus Christ being the Son of God -- salvation comes through Jesus Christ. Not obeying a bunch of laws.

The most important 'law' is to love the Lord God with all our heart, soul, mind, -- our entire being and Then our brother as ourselves.

Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

You speak of the Two. The Two sums up the Ten and the Ten sums up the 613. Therefore, if you break one of the 613 you are not keeping the Two.

 

[Elihoenai]

He did all the work working with the father that was required called the fulness of grace .He does not give a remnant of grace as if the work was not finished .

Not sure of Eihoenai's postition

Do you believe that True Disciples imitate Yeshua/Jesus?

 

[Elihoenai]

But not obeying a "bunch of laws" can definitely keep you from being saved.



He did His part, we still have to do ours.

Heb 3:17; And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18; And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient?
Heb 3:19; So we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief.
Heb 4:1; Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.
Heb 4:2; For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard.
Heb 4:3; For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST," although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


The point is RCC doctrine removes the obligation to do anything. This suits 99.9% of people that are enjoying their Sins and shirk at the idea of forsaking them.

 

[Elihoenai]

Actually those questions were meant for "Elih......"

WE're Not saved by keeping a bunch of laws.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Through Faith you keep every iota of the Law of Moses.

 

[Elihoenai]

No.



Every rule I listed is also listed in "the law".

Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

On your "No" reply to being Hebrew Roots, I'm not a member of any Hebrew Roots Movement Worldly Organisation. Happy to say I'm an outcast from the Denominational and Non-denominational Churches.

Everything from Genesis to Revelation is binding on the True Follower of Messiah/Christ to devotedly keep.

 

[Elihoenai]

You're taking my comment a bit out of it's intended context.

And keeping a bunch of rules / laws will Not save anyone -- but Doing all those things in a person's daily life Will show a Lack Of salvation. A life-style of those things is a lack of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit

So - a person Should be checking their own personal life-style Against what God's Word Is Teaching.

And If a person notices that someone who Has confessed Jesus Christ as Savior Is doing those things -- Then there is reason to be concerned about their salvation And Then to attempt to connect with the person in concern -- privately -- and ask the person about 'it'. Not hitting them over their head with your Bible. But showing real concern about them. Maybe no one has taken time With them to disciple them.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Those are the works of the Earthly Church. Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ has Power over the Heavenly and Earthly Church.

 

[Elihoenai]

The title of this thread... .."to be saved".

I personally don't believe any of us are already saved. I believe we are "being" saved.

Luke 13:23; And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?" And He said to them,
Acts 2:47; praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved.
1Cor 1:18; For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
2Cor 2:15; For we are a fragrance of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing;

Jesus may have completed His work. But He has only "begun" a good work in you. It isn't finished yet.

Php 3:10; that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death;
Php 3:11; in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
Php 3:12; Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus.
Php 3:13; Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead,
Php 3:14; I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

It doesn't matter how you start the race, it matters how you finish.

Luke 12:42; And the Lord said, "Who then is the faithful and sensible steward, whom his master will put in charge of his servants, to give them their rations at the proper time?
Luke 12:43; "Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes.
Luke 12:44; "Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions.
Luke 12:45; "But if that slave says in his heart, 'My master will be a long time in coming,' and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk;
Luke 12:46; the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers.

Would you agree that in Real Salvation there is no backsliding?

 

[B-A-C]

Would you agree that in Real Salvation there is no backsliding?

No.


Isa_57:17 For the iniquity of his covetousness I was angry and struck him; I hid and was angry, And he went on backsliding in the way of his heart.
Jer_3:6 The LORD said also to me in the days of Josiah the king: "Have you seen what backsliding Israel has done? She has gone up on every high mountain and under every green tree, and there played the harlot.
Jer_3:8 Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also.
Jer_3:11 Then the LORD said to me, "Backsliding Israel has shown herself more righteous than treacherous Judah.
Jer_3:12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say: 'Return, backsliding Israel,' says the LORD; 'I will not cause My anger to fall on you. For I am merciful,' says the LORD; 'I will not remain angry forever.
Jer_3:14 "Return, O backsliding children," says the LORD; "for I am married to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion.
Jer_3:22 "Return, you backsliding children, And I will heal your backslidings." "Indeed we do come to You, For You are the LORD our God.
Jer_8:5 Why has this people slidden back, Jerusalem, in a perpetual backsliding? They hold fast to deceit, They refuse to return.
Jer_31:22 How long will you gad about, O you backsliding daughter? For the LORD has created a new thing in the earth—A woman shall encompass a man."
Jer_49:4 Why do you boast in the valleys, Your flowing valley, O backsliding daughter? Who trusted in her treasures, saying, 'Who will come against me?'
Hos_11:7 My people are bent on backsliding from Me. Though they call to the Most High, None at all exalt Him.
Hos_14:4 "I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely, For My anger has turned away from him.

 

[Garee]

Do you believe that True Disciples imitate Yeshua/Jesus?

Thanks I can try and explain.

The word disciple does not equal Christian .It simply means student of the teacher .The ones in John 6 walked out of the class when Jesus said his flesh profits for nothing.

John 6:60-61 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?


The disciples that did walk or understand our unseen God by faith (Christ's) working in them again. Unlike those in John 6 they refused to believe in a God as it is written in his book of the law, the Bible . They walked away in belief (no faith).The gospel offended them that desire to serve the flesh rather than the unseen Holy Spirit that worked in Jesus the Son of man.


The disciple like that of the disciple Jesus the Son of man who came to do the will of the father learned in the same way we do. In that way all of the true disciples are taught by the Father the one good teaching master as Lord of lords .I We are informed to call no man good teaching master as Lord on earth .One is in heaven

Jesus the disciple draws us to the unseen Father not to his own self. . . and the unseen Father does the teaching and aplying spirit as it is written to ones new born again heart .

John6:44-45 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me

 

[Elihoenai]

No.


Isa_57:17 For the iniquity of his covetousness I was angry and struck him; I hid and was angry, And he went on backsliding in the way of his heart.
Jer_3:6 The LORD said also to me in the days of Josiah the king: "Have you seen what backsliding Israel has done? She has gone up on every high mountain and under every green tree, and there played the harlot.
Jer_3:8 Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also.
Jer_3:11 Then the LORD said to me, "Backsliding Israel has shown herself more righteous than treacherous Judah.
Jer_3:12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say: 'Return, backsliding Israel,' says the LORD; 'I will not cause My anger to fall on you. For I am merciful,' says the LORD; 'I will not remain angry forever.
Jer_3:14 "Return, O backsliding children," says the LORD; "for I am married to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion.
Jer_3:22 "Return, you backsliding children, And I will heal your backslidings." "Indeed we do come to You, For You are the LORD our God.
Jer_8:5 Why has this people slidden back, Jerusalem, in a perpetual backsliding? They hold fast to deceit, They refuse to return.
Jer_31:22 How long will you gad about, O you backsliding daughter? For the LORD has created a new thing in the earth—A woman shall encompass a man."
Jer_49:4 Why do you boast in the valleys, Your flowing valley, O backsliding daughter? Who trusted in her treasures, saying, 'Who will come against me?'
Hos_11:7 My people are bent on backsliding from Me. Though they call to the Most High, None at all exalt Him.
Hos_14:4 "I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely, For My anger has turned away from him.

Do you see Salvation in these verses?

 

[B-A-C]

Do you see Salvation in these verses?

Perhaps a few, certainly not all.

 

[Elihoenai]

Thanks I can try and explain.

The word disciple does not equal Christian .It simply means student of the teacher .The ones in John 6 walked out of the class when Jesus said his flesh profits for nothing.

John 6:60-61 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?


The disciples that did walk or understand our unseen God by faith (Christ's) working in them again. Unlike those in John 6 they refused to believe in a God as it is written in his book of the law, the Bible . They walked away in belief (no faith).The gospel offended them that desire to serve the flesh rather than the unseen Holy Spirit that worked in Jesus the Son of man.


The disciple like that of the disciple Jesus the Son of man who came to do the will of the father learned in the same way we do. In that way all of the true disciples are taught by the Father the one good teaching master as Lord of lords .I We are informed to call no man good teaching master as Lord on earth .One is in heaven

Jesus the disciple draws us to the unseen Father not to his own self. . . and the unseen Father does the teaching and aplying spirit as it is written to ones new born again heart .

John6:44-45 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me

@Garee, Are you saying that True Disciples don't follow exactly the life and teachings of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ?

 

[Sue D.]

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Through Faith you keep every iota of the Law of Moses.

This is probably going to mess up the flow of conversation, but, there's part of that Ephesians passage that you left out -- the part "not of works lest anyone should boast"

By Law of Moses you're referring to the Ten Commandments? Most of those are what our laws are based On.

God was giving those 10 commandments to the Children of Israel -- His children. Through Moses. He's stating that He alone is God, no one else. And we are to not make any idols to worship. When we Do bow down to worship, it needs to be to God and Only God. and there is to be No swearing // remember To worship God on the Sabboth Or in the New Testament -- on the Lord's Day -- honoring His bodily resurrection on the 3rd day. // we Are to honor our parents -- no murdering, or committing adultery , no stealing, bearing false witness (lying) // no coveting you neighbors' belongings.

 

[B-A-C]

By Law of Moses you're referring to the Ten Commandments? Most of those are what our laws are based On.

No, there are over 600 laws that have nothing to do with the 10 commandments.
The Bible separates the commandments from the law.

There are about a half dozen verses in the new Testament that say we don't have to keep "the law".
There are over 10 verses that say we have to jeep the commandments.

 

[Sue D.]

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Those are the works of the Earthly Church. Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ has Power over the Heavenly and Earthly Church.

The next verses say "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you, and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen."

Jesus Christ is the foundation of the Church .