What does Jesus mean when he says

[Christ4Ever]

What are the sins that do not lead to death?

Out of what I've written, you pose this one question :lightbulb Now you have me curious on which path you'll take from here

The answer to this question is "Transgression against the law". 1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

That being said, the part that you didn't ask, but the one I'll ask of you if for no other reason so as to show that there is a line in the sand that one should not cross.

What is the sin that leads to death?

YBIC
C4E

 

[Christ4Ever]

Yes that is right !
Gal 5:18 if you are in the Spirit, you are doing the works. ( in the Spirit mind ) as it comes automatically. but if you are not and we are not doing things due to the Spirit, what are you ? i say you must repent, truly ! you must strive to enter the wide way or ? as there is only one way.
Some believe they need do nothing but just believe and push that you are on your way regard less, so why bother to struggle, they push, just go with the flow, sell drugs, kill etc as it does not matter at all, you are saved, hog wash i say. and then they have the hide to say the Mafia is bad or the RCC is bad, how is this so when you support evil actions your self's
I never said we are under the Law, but some try to push this 180 degree and make out i am supporting the Jews position. Slander is the word that comes to my mind, of a person pushing that. and if you look into their position they support evil actions and slander openly as they say they are going the Heaven regardless.

In your writing you seem to be a bit put upon. Don't be brother.

If we can not discuss scripture in Love one to the other, with the hope of sharpening ourselves with brethren, for mutual growth, being guided by the Holy Spirit. Then it would be better, to pray then argue for those who might so abuse His Word as we see it, then be the cause of any pain one to another in the name of Christ Jesus. This would not be reflective of the love we must have one for another.

If heresy is the issue, then is should be taken to the elders/leaders, who on this site are it's Administrator and Moderators for resolution. For by the evidence I've seen from them, they seem to be Godly men and women, in the service of the Lord. Which anyone reading this post, would do well to keep them in prayer.

Yet rarely is heresy the case. It's becomes more we feel maligned, in some form or fashion, for not being understood. I've come to find out that if you PM the brother or sister in question, in prayer it becomes resolved or at least left to the point where you both agree to disagree, and by mutual consent leave the thread, or the particular line of discussion which has created this fracture between believers in Christ Jesus.

With all that being said, I do understand. We want no one to be deceived, and walking the wide path towards destruction, instead of the narrow one to life eternal. That is why much knee time (praying) is beneficial, that the Holy Spirit will move them as our words have been unable to.
Love Brother.
C4E
Colossians 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

 

[eldon]

yes, Jesus meant it.

in fact, He told a friend of mine just recently to "be perfect, as I am perfect"

Its important to remember that many thoughts that enter your minds are not sin. you rebuke the thought and the devil, who is the source of those thoughts.
Everything is a free will conscious decision, this is why no man has any excuse.

The reason it may not feel this way is because your earthly brain is programmed in various ways, and those neuron pathways must be reprogrammed by dying to the flesh and resisting temptation.
for example, certain biological responses aren't sin. entertaining them is.

 

[brakelite]

Now a little something something for the others on this thread.

Galatians 5:14-26
[14] For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [15] But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. [16] [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. [17] For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. [18] But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. [19] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, [20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, [21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. [22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, [23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. [24] And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. [25] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. [26] Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

So neither following the law or not following is of gain. Only being a new creation is what matters.

So please peace brothers and sisters. We know that our actions if of the flesh (v19, 20, 21) are not in accord with walking in the spirit and failure of the commandment set to us by our Lord Jesus Christ, which is John 15:12 "This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you." and the fruits of the spirit (v22, 23). If you fail to "live in the spirit" your "walk in the Spirit" (v25) may very well also be compromised, and you will without a doubt not be reflective of being the new creation you are meant to be.

Whether you define this failure as sin, or some other word that reflects your walking in the flesh verses the spirit, you are not reflecting the attributes of a new creature through Christ Jesus. Keep in mind that being saved does not preclude one from sinning as 1 John 2:1 shows " My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" What is this sin, but once again that one has deviated from living, and walking in the Spirit, and have now taken a different path back to the flesh, if but temporary. We must remember that we have not lost our advocate with God the Father! We still have Jesus! Alleluia!

We are not yet perfect, so fail in our walking in the Spirit. We get back up and continue to go forward, praying for that forgiveness in the weakness of our flesh and the strength to overcome. Just as the adulterous woman was told by our Lord and Savior "Go and sin no more." I will continue with the knowledge that I have a mediator in Christ Jesus, should my walk in the Spirit falter. Which I pray it never will, and in so doing be an Overcomer! What a glorious day that will be! Praying to see you all there!!!!!!

YBIC
C4E

See? I knew you would make a great moderator!
I stand chastened.

David777, my apologies.
That said, I will be rejoining the discussion (with a more restrained tone but with no less zeal for God's law) some time soon I hope...time again is somewhat limited.

 

[David777]

See? I knew you would make a great moderator!
I stand chastened.

David777, my apologies.
That said, I will be rejoining the discussion (with a more restrained tone but with no less zeal for God's law) some time soon I hope...time again is somewhat limited.

Apology accepted brakelite.

I too am zealous not for the law but for the full
revelation of Jesus Christ.

When ever your ready is fine by me.

 

[Christ4Ever]

See? I knew you would make a great moderator!
I stand chastened.

Dear Brother,
Thank-you for the kinds words in your post. When I first read it, I happened to be at work, and it made tears well up in my eyes, for God's undeserved blessing in knowing you. Your writings have always shown great insight and thought. That you have great zeal and a desire for truth is evident in what you post. All are better for them.

I must give credit to jiggyfly because it was his persistence in wanting a response to Galatians 3:19 that had me pray and look at the entirety of this precious word.
I realize, for all that I believe I might know, there so much more that I don't. So that great treasure awaits me and all with every blessed word, and verse of His Holy Word, when understanding is revealed as He wills.

With that being said, all of what I post, I pray is to the Glory of God, for without His loving guidance, I would still be a lost soul in darkness.

Love you brother!
C4E

 

[jasonsloss]

[h=4]1 John 5:3[/h]For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome... I have read through most of these and this argument about the law is really quite settled in that Christ was the fulfillment of the law and then Pauls teachings about the law... but it is as simple as this if you want to keep the law then you are not under grace because God's Grace freed us from the law... now this does not mean we have the right to do what ever we want, no we fall into obedience upon believing choose to obey God... we are commanded to walk as Christ walked... we are to obey the one great commandment and that is to love our God with everything we are and in doing so we will keep His commandments...
[h=4]2 John 1:6[/h]This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it

 

[brakelite]

Hello brakelite.





We will utilize the basic tool for understanding scripture.
Let scripture interpret scripture, always mindful of context.

Hi David. A good rule.

Genesis 26

4 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven;
I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all
the nations of the earth shall be blessed;

5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge,
My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

I will list the commandments or instructions that God
gave to Abraham. These commands are scattered through
Genesis and readers may be unaware of them. We are not
permitted to move beyond the scripture so I will stay
within the text. Now in order, all the commands, etc, that
God gave to Abraham.

a) Abraham obeyed God’s commandment to leave the country
of origin. (Genesis 12:1)

b) God commanded Abraham to change his name
from Abram to Abraham. (Genesis 17:5)

The next command brakelite I will have to quote
as it is a covenant, a dispensation made to Abraham
which Paul mentions frequently. It is of special
interest to us.

c) This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you
and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall
be circumcised; (Genesis 17:10)

This is the origin of the Jews who prided themselves on the dual
covenant, Abraham and Mosaic covenants "circumcision".

d) Abraham was told that his wife would have a new name, Sarah
(Genesis 17:15)

e) God commanded Abraham to sacrifice Issac.
(Genesis 22:2)

The following commandment or word is one of the
greatest commands of the Old Testament.

g) In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed,
because you have obeyed My voice. (Genesis 22:18)

When God speaks we listen.

That is the answer to your question on Genesis 26:5.

I find your answer somewhat deficient, although I appreciate the work you put into it. Apart from the law regards circumcision, these are all personal instructions which applied uniquely to Abraham alone. Circuncision indeed is a law which had limited application, being to the descendants of Abraham only. The scripture which I originally offered however goes beyond this. God mentioned ' My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

So brakelite, that answer was pure scripture.

Indeed it was, and thankyou for that, but it wasn't enough. Laws and statutes are legislative. They go beyond the mere personal instructions which you offered. I remain unconvinced to your assertion that before Sinai there was no law.

Then you made the statement below.

"Now we know that without law, there is no knowledge of sin."

I am not sure whether you actually read the scripture
or not brakelite. I am rather concerned at this ill informed
remark? This type of statement arises from someone who
is not aware of the context of a letter and the intended
audience of the letter. Here is the refutation of your
comment.

Romans 2
14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law,
these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the
Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately
accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will
judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

Now did you read "GENTILES WHO DO NOT HAVE THE LAW" brakelite?

How did you miss that?

I am certainly perplexed that you would base
your assumption that the Gentiles were given
the law without the support of scripture.
When there is not one line in the entire
Bible that states the Gentiles had or were ever
given the law. Gentiles are included within the New
Covenant not in the Old Covenant.

While it is true that no formal copy of the law was given to Gentiles, Paul was saying in Romans 2 that gentiles who do by nature the things of the law do so because the principles of the law are written upon their hearts. Now if there are principles of law in existence upon ones heart, then surely there is a law to which the priciples belong? Cain did not dispute his guilt of murder. Abimelech (Gen.20) did not dispute the theology of adultery being sin, he protested his innocence on account of the fact that he had not touched Sarah. Yet despite that, God would indeed have held him accountable. God is just. He does not punish for adultery if it isn't offensive. Indeed, the entire populace of the globe was punished because of sin. How could that have been an act of justice if there had been no moral law(whether in their hearts or no it doesn't matter) to condemn them?
So when the law was given on Sinai (I speak of the Ten Commandments) it wasn't new. Moral rightepousness had been written upon the hearts of all men and women since time began. The written form was merely a reminder, which mankind needed due to gross collapse into rampant idolatry and wickedness. Mens' hearts had grown cold and hard, and their consciences no longer acted as a deterrent. Those Ten Commandments weren't just for the benefit of Israel either. It was their work to share their religion with the world. That they didn't was an indictment against them. The church has since made up for that, something God had always intended to be.

Your next question is by far the strangest.

"So tell me, by what law then is Satan going to be indicted
under for his lies and murders, seeing he was a liar and
murderer from the beginning???"

To tell a lie is not covered by the ten commandments.

You tell me brakelite your the expert on the ten words.

Expert, well I guess I am willing to be grateful for any compliment, no matter how facetious it may be.
Exodus 20:16. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Of course you may disagree with my following understanding. To bear false witness is a lie. Whether lieing about your neighbour (ask Jesus who your neighbour is) or to your neighbour it matters not. It is an intent to deceive, which is at variance with the principle which governs law. Love.
And what of the murder charge? Under what law will Satan be indicted for his murders which supposedly had been enacted without any law saying they were wrong?

 

[Warrior Mom]

Perhaps we could stop a moment and put that firm foundation under our feet before answering this question. Our Lord came to this earth to overcome sin and bring His perfect will (government) to fullfillment upon mankind. We will all sin in the flesh one way or another until we die or are changed at His return.

It is in our love for Him that we resist temptation and flee from evil.

To pray for forgiveness for the sins I know I have commited and for the sins I don't realize I have done. The Lords Prayer, "forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us". Still hold a grudge over something said or done to you? It's hard isn't it! We are a work in progress The Bible has the answer to every human need. The fun is to seek and ye shall find, ask and it shall be opened to you! Bless yer little heart! Fight the good fight!

 

[jasonsloss]

how do you come to the conclusion that satan a fallen angel would be judge by a law that was given to man???

 

[Warrior Mom]

I am real tired right now so forgive me I may have posted to the wrong one mine was to the question of Jesus telling the woman to go and sin no more.

 

[bgsda]

Jasonloss welcome to tj. Glad to have u here. Back to ur question , i believe brakelite answerrd ur question on his last post. God is a just God, He cannot and will not judge someone on a sin that the person had not known it was SIN. Keep in mind what SIN is=transgression of the LAW 1John3-4/Rom.7:7. Now Satan knew this LAW. Remember satan will be judged and his evil angels 1peter or 2peter chpt 2. Also in Rev. 20 we see then end of satan when hes throw to the lake of fire.
God said He winks at ignorance in Acts. Now did Lucifer know he sinned or broke God Law? Did Adam and Eve know they sinned? Cain?
If there was no rules how can God say in Gen.7 that the people were bent on EVIL continually or pretty much saying they are always SINNING? Why did He pronounce JUDGEMENT on the world without giving them a LAW? Makes no sense you cannot pronouce judgement on anything or anyone without laws!. God bless my brother.

 

[jasonsloss]

hello and thank you for the welcome... first off I would like to point out that satan and the other fallen angels according scripture have been judged that is why they are called fallen there is no redemption for them... now the judgement that comes upon all men who did not believe in the Only Begotten Son of God will be not by any law but because they didnt choose Christ... now Romans 2:14-16 you see how man was able to sin without a written law (14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.)... Remember the written law was given to the Jew... God pulled a chosen people (i.e. Jews) out of a Gentile world... yes Adam and Eve were Gentiles and the first Jew was who?

 

[Christ4Ever]

I am real tired right now so forgive me I may have posted to the wrong one mine was to the question of Jesus telling the woman to go and sin no more.

Been there sister :drowsy:

First welcome aboard and pray you find TJ a place of enjoyment, growth, and fellowship in the Lord.

With that being said, as you've found out here a thread and the postings that follow can, depending on the subject, evolve or devolve into something entirely different.

brakelite & David777 brothers who I love dearly have been going back an forth for awhile. There are a few others as well who fit into this category, but the list would be long! However, if you are able to follow what they are saying, there is much treasure to find in their postings. :thumbs_up

If it becomes too heavy for the current mindset, :bored: then you can kind of skip those for another time.

Well, off to breakfast!
CU around.
YBIC
C4E
Psalm 91:1-2 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. [2] I will say of the LORD, [He is] my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.

 

[lightalma]

God bless you.
After a true repentance and self analysis of your sins that you have had since a child. Starting with little sins that evolve as you get older. go back and see what one you hold more than others.
Then repent which means not just acknowledging but to not repeat that sin.
Sin no more. If you do repent again. It takes time to create spiritual muscle.
Jesus was a hero he overcame His body. He followed spiritual Laws. We must create purity within.
To grow in soul and sin no more. That is His command. it is not for the weak but for the humble.
What did the Apostles have? They were humble, sincere and willing to overcome. Many are called and few are chosen.

 

[faithfulservant]

So Holy Moses was nothing at all then, just as the 10 commandments is just total rubbish.

Was God just playing a sick joke on the OT people.

Jesus said he came not to abolish the commandments. so to me that's it end of story. and i don't believe a word of what some try to make out what Paul said. fact is Paul, even if he did say as such, has no right to over ride Jesus at all.

As for this deception of this conjuring up the mixing is just a slandering joke. it is not mixed at all but a "foundation" and it is used in true Christianity as such, as it has nothing to do with mixing at all.

One needs to have the Holy Spirit to understand how it works, or it can just come across as a deception of mixing. fact is Jesus would of said he came to abolish them all ? but he did not at all did he ! So they are "under Grace !" and if you understand what that is, you can see they are "under it", not mixed at all. and nothing to do with mixed at all, as that is a work of Satan.

Now Christians should know that the OT was a blue print of the NT and it is not something devoid of it, but one in all the same, but light it has been given to it in Jesus.
Jesus did not toss it away at all. and it is not a new religion at all, but the same one, but it was fulfilled. or we are mixing and making another jesus.
The Law does not go above Grace at all, never ! and it does not mix up to, or near or about, as it is always "under" and that is what under means underneath below and it does not just pop up, never never does it at all ! never. that is what Under Grace means " it's under Grace".

No doubt, God certainly considers the Mosaic Covenant an inferior one. Read Hebrews 8 to see why. Please make note by reading the chapter previous that the "Priest" referred to here is indeed Jesus (emphasis mine):

Hebrews 8
1 Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,2 a minister in the holy places, in the true tent that the Lord set up, not man.3 For every high priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices; thus it is necessary for this priest also to have something to offer.4 Now if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all, since there are priests who offer gifts according to the law.5 They serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things. For when Moses was about to erect the tent, he was instructed by God, saying, "See that you make everything according to the pattern that was shown you on the mountain."6 But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant He mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises.7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
8 For he finds fault with them when he says:
"Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah,
9 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers
on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.
For they did not continue in my covenant,
and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws into their minds,
and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
11 And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor
and each one his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,'
for they shall all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,
and I will remember their sins no more."
13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming

 

[brakelite]

how do you come to the conclusion that satan a fallen angel would be judge by a law that was given to man???

It was Jesus who called Satan a murderer. Thus it was Jesus , not me, who is condemning Satan by the same law which applies tpo us all. This tells me that that particular law was in existence before creation. Like I said, the Ten Commandments are an echo of God's rightepousness. They are the details of what true love is. God's nature. That my friend is eternal.

 

[eldon]

It was Jesus who called Satan a murderer. Thus it was Jesus , not me, who is condemning Satan by the same law which applies tpo us all. This tells me that that particular law was in existence before creation. Like I said, the Ten Commandments are an echo of God's rightepousness. They are the details of what true love is. God's nature. That my friend is eternal.

we're not to judge satan either. i found that out a few days ago. was rebuking satan and got a bit carried away.

 

[B-A-C]

I never realized what a division there was among believers about this. Only in the last few have I heard people mention that once we become a Christian we can't sin anymore.

Can Christians still sin?

Jas 1:15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.

Jas 1:22 But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves.

Jas 2:9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.

Jas 4:17 Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, to him it is sin.

Jas 5:15 and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him.
Jas 5:16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.
Jas 5:20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

Now I don't believe we lose our salvation if we commit a sin. But if we deny that we do any sin, and say that we can't sin, that is another thing entirely.

1 Pet 2:12 Keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may because of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God in the day of visitation.
1 Pet 2:16 Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God.

1 Pet 3:10 For, "THE ONE WHO DESIRES LIFE, TO LOVE AND SEE GOOD DAYS, MUST KEEP HIS TONGUE FROM EVIL AND HIS LIPS FROM SPEAKING DECEIT.
1 Pet 3:11 "HE MUST TURN AWAY FROM EVIL AND DO GOOD; HE MUST SEEK PEACE AND PURSUE IT.
1 Pet 3:12 "FOR THE EYES OF THE LORD ARE TOWARD THE RIGHTEOUS, AND HIS EARS ATTEND TO THEIR PRAYER, BUT THE FACE OF THE LORD IS AGAINST THOSE WHO DO EVIL."

1 Pet 3:17 For it is better, if God should will it so, that you suffer for doing what is right rather than for doing what is wrong.

1 Pet 4:8 Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins.

The warning below isn't for unbelievers, but those in the faith.
1 Pet 5:8 Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
1 Pet 5:9 But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world.
1 Pet 5:10 After you have suffered for a little while, the God of all grace, who called you to His eternal glory in Christ, will Himself perfect, confirm, strengthen and establish you.

2 Pet 1:5 Now for this very reason also, applying all diligence, in your faith supply moral excellence, and in your moral excellence, knowledge,
2 Pet 1:6 and in your knowledge, self-control, and in your self-control, perseverance, and in your perseverance, godliness,
2 Pet 1:7 and in your godliness, brotherly kindness, and in your brotherly kindness, love.
2 Pet 1:8 For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they render you neither useless nor unfruitful in the true knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Pet 1:9 For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins.
2 Pet 1:10 Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble;
2Pe 1:11 for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.

2 Pet 3:17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own

2 Pet 2:19 promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.
2 Pet 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
2 Pet 2:21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
2 Pet 2:22 It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire."

1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth;
1 John 1:7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

1 John 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;

1 John 2:3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1 John 2:4 The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
1 John 2:5 but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:
1 John 2:6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

1 John 2:9 The one who says he is in the Light and yet hates his brother is in the darkness until now.
1 John 2:12 I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.

1 John 3:4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
1 John 3:5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.
1 John 3:6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.
1 John 3:7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
1 John 3:8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3:18 Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth.
1 John 3:19 We will know by this that we are of the truth, and will assure our heart before Him
1 John 3:20 in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.
1 John 3:21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God;
1 John 3:22 and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.

1 John 4:20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
1 John 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.

1 John 5:16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should make request for this.
1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not leading to death.

2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
2 John 1:8 Watch yourselves, that you do not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward.
2 John 1:9 Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son.
2 John 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting;
2 John 1:11 for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.
3 John 1:11 Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good. The one who does good is of God; the one who does evil has not seen God.

Matt 5:19 "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

John 14:15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
John 14:21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him."
John 15:10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.

Rev 14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

There is a huge difference between saying, yes I was a sinner, now I am saved. I still sin sometimes and I still need a savior.
Yes I am forgiven for my sins.
...and...
I have no sin at all, I cannot sin now. The law never applied to me anyway.

It's true, none of us will be justified by following the law. None of us can keep all of the commandments.
It's true, none of us will get God's acceptance by putting our faith in our ability to keep the law rather than in Jesus.
But does that mean we shouldn't still try to live righteous lives?

 

[Warrior Mom]

Well thank you for that!. I did realize later that the conversation had moved on ha ha!! The Lord Bless you and keep you