What Does The Bible Say About ABORTION?

[KingJ]

Show me the scripture. I have previously proven my point with scripture, and only the Word of God matters, period.

I would be interested to know what scripture you are thinking of.

As for me, six passages given in the OP of this thread, Mortal and Venial sins

Then, in addition, we just need to read the OT for the times differing punishments were dished out and grasp that God does not change His mind Num 23:19. Some were punished with warnings, lashes, excommunication, death by stoning, death by decapitation and death by fire.

 

[KingJ]

God, Yehovah, said we are not to murder the Image of God when He said, "Thou shalt not murder." That image does not appear there a some point. All of it is there when the seed is joined to squiggly. You can dance until the band goes home but it will not change the black and white of God's Law and His judgments.

What I do find interesting on the topic,

A. Not until recently has a woman been able to take a 'morning after pill'.

Throughout history, the effective abortifacients were mostly poisonous and deadly to the girl.

The evidence does point to God not wanting any sort of abortion.

But today we do have a 'morning after' pill that is effective only in the germinal stage. We are able to abort effectively very early before even an embryo is formed.

B. A man's ***** is alive for six days in the fallopian tube. That would mean that if you waste your seed, you are also at a certain degree guilty of ending something that could have been.

And yet, we want to accuse a girl that is only a day or two late in also 'wasting' her seed, of first-degree murder? That is insanity.

 

[Christ4Ever]

My 2 cents or farthing if you will!

My God is the purveyor of life. Without Him there is no life.
When does life begin? When God says it does.
Does God allow man to interfere with the beginning of life? Sure does.
Just like He doesn't interfere with man killing each other, He won't stop someone from aborting a life either.

Are there instances where God inserts His Will to be done? Of course. Just look at the warning given to Joseph in a dream to leave Egypt.
Was this warning given to those parents of the children who were slaughtered by Herod looking for Jesus? We don't know, but it didn't stop Herod from killing those children.

So, my God is a God of life, not a god of death. If one argues that it's not "a" life at a certain point of time, then why not let it continue to its final determination? Because if you don't then all you are doing is lying to yourself to justify an act that allows you to interfere in the workings of the start of life. Playing God, because you know what's going to happen and you know better.

I don't go to the ungodly to see when life begins, or to justify having an abortion. They are going to do what they are going to do, even if God were to say clearly and unequivocally it is wrong. Still, our God is a loving God, and if the abortion happens, if we turn to Him in repentance, asking forgiveness, He will surely do so.

There are still consequences for sin, no matter the sin in question. Goes with the territory, but thankfully we have a loving God, and if you turn to Him, He will see you through it!

Not much change left, so I'll move on. Don't forget it is okay to agree to disagree, because ultimately if you are a believer and seek Him, and look to Him, and His Word for help, it will be there for you. God's Grace is Awesome, and His Love for us mind boggling to say the least! Alleluia!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Laeomis]

The black and white of the law of the Torah has grey area, but allows regulated abortion, this law will not pass away until the end of the world, Biblically the value of infant life is diminished, but what we are going through is pagan infidelity from God.

In the Laws of Moses abortions are allowed under special circumstances, both the duty of determining the punishment for the crime of causing a miscarriage, and accusing the abortion is the job of the husband. A wife and husband will not be guilty under Exodus 21:22, because the husband is the issuer of punishment. Numbers 5:11-31 describes the laws for regulated abortions in Israel. These are to be carried out when the husband suspects his wife is cheating, and pregnant with another man's child. The priest will administer the abortion. The pain of having an illegitimate child born between a married couple is higher in the sight of God than murdering the child. Under the Laws of Moses there is no punishment for the married couple for having an abortion, except that the wife would be sterilized and wear her guilt. Jesus was born under these circumstances, but Joseph opted not to turn Mary in for suspected infidelity.

Christ still says that the Law of Moses will be in affect on Earth until the end of the world (Matthew 5:17-18). Not everyone has as noble a soul as Joseph, and many men will want an abortion if they suspect cheating. We live in a Christian Gentile country, and we do not literally enforce the Torah. Still, Biblical laws are logical and based on human experience, and their factors will have to come out somewhere in society. Somewhere down the line there are going to be reasons that an abortion may be needed, an absolute ban is unreasonable, and abortion has to be regulated. The value of infant life is a double edged sword in the Bible.

Of course, God ideally loves every child of his from the womb, but this is not the case absolutely. God strikes down the first-born of Egypt in revenge, God commands the extermination of all Canaanites in the Exodus, Christ promises to kill all the children of Jezebel (Revelation 2:23), Deuteronomy 7:2 gives the command to totally cut down the inhabitants of the land and, "Show them no mercy." Everyone knows that murder is against the 10 Commandments, but what about killing in wartime? God definitely commanded Israel to kill a lot of enemies. This is grey area, and takes an understanding of good and evil rooted in law to understand. What we are going through is absurd, and most Christians will never have to deal with a voluntary abortion.

The real issue here is not understanding which path to take while faced with growing pagan infidelity. My favorite verse from the OP video is from Ezekiel:16:20-21. I did not notice this verse until some years ago someone pointed it out to me on another social media platform. This chapter is considered Bible pornography, and if you read it again you'll understand why. Much worse than Solomon's Song. It is about prostitution though, and other things we are going through in modern society. These issues are not new, nothing is new under the Sun. We are once again going through an age of adulterous generations that have hardened their hearts in divorce. There is no way out of this situation, except everyone will have to face the punishment of God, but in the meantime the best answer is a regulated abortion system, regulated by the State, and not Federal government.

 

[Bill Taylor]

I would be interested to know what scripture you are thinking of.

As for me, six passages given in the OP of this thread, Mortal and Venial sins

Then, in addition, we just need to read the OT for the times differing punishments were dished out and grasp that God does not change His mind Num 23:19. Some were punished with warnings, lashes, excommunication, death by stoning, death by decapitation and death by fire.

And as I recall I explained that those scriptures, in their local context, had nothing to do with rating sin. Nope, show me scripture and not verses taken out of the subject matter of the Letter from Yehovah.

 

[Bill Taylor]

What I do find interesting on the topic,

A. Not until recently has a woman been able to take a 'morning after pill'.

Throughout history, the effective abortifacients were mostly poisonous and deadly to the girl.

The evidence does point to God not wanting any sort of abortion.

But today we do have a 'morning after' pill that is effective only in the germinal stage. We are able to abort effectively very early before even an embryo is formed.

B. A man's ***** is alive for six days in the fallopian tube. That would mean that if you waste your seed, you are also at a certain degree guilty of ending something that could have been.

And yet, we want to accuse a girl that is only a day or two late in also 'wasting' her seed, of first-degree murder? That is insanity.

Human reasoning has naught to do with the Word of God when it is based on Known Science instead of on The Word of God. Christians live on Faith as directed by Ruah and that must not scrape against the word of God. The morning after pill murders the child that God allowed to be planted.

 

[Bill Taylor]

I would be interested to know what scripture you are thinking of.

As for me, six passages given in the OP of this thread, Mortal and Venial sins

Then, in addition, we just need to read the OT for the times differing punishments were dished out and grasp that God does not change His mind Num 23:19. Some were punished with warnings, lashes, excommunication, death by stoning, death by decapitation and death by fire.

I will not list all twenty but will link them. 20 Bible Verses about Abortion - What Does Scripture Say?

 

[Bill Taylor]

Not properly judging a matter is also against the laws of God.

John 7:24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.

But I say your judgment is faltering... being nice, I pray.

 

[KingJ]

And as I recall I explained that those scriptures, in their local context, had nothing to do with rating sin. Nope, show me scripture and not verses taken out of the subject matter of the Letter from Yehovah.

Where have you shown that? I have not seen any attempt at a rebuttal from the time I posted that thread. It is so annoying talking to people who make opinionated statements like this, no effort and no sound rebuttal.

Please answer the below with a Yes or No. (PLEASE DONT LIKE OTHERS, DODGE!) I have more faith in you being able to deal with facts.

1. Did Paul address a sinner guilty of stealing candy from the candy store in 1 Cor 5:1? Yes or No?

2. Were the sins of Sodom grievous Gen 18:20? Yes or No?

3. Is Jesus fine with divorce for adultery, if adultery is merely thoughts of someone else Matt 5:28? Yes or No?

4. Does the OT, Leviticus specifically, state differing punishments for different sins? Yes or No?

5. Does God change His mind? Yes or No?

6. When Paul says he sins in Rom 7:15, was he referring to the sin of murdering Christians or raping girls? Yes or No?

 

[KingJ]

Human reasoning has naught to do with the Word of God when it is based on Known Science instead of on The Word of God. Christians live on Faith as directed by Ruah and that must not scrape against the word of God. The morning after pill murders the child that God allowed to be planted.

A Christian's reasoning is not 'human' reasoning as Paul explains in 1 Cor 6:1-9.

 

[KingJ]

But I say your judgment is faltering... being nice, I pray.

Well at least I have explained myself and take scripture stating that we must judge righteously, seriously.

You have not even taken a stab at answering the question I have asked of all here. I will respect your 'judgement' but then be clear on it.

Question - Will you sentence a girl guilty of abortion in the germinal stage with capital punishment? IE Death penalty or life in prison.

Yes or No answer please!

 

[KingJ]

The black and white of the law of the Torah has grey area, but allows regulated abortion, this law will not pass away until the end of the world, Biblically the value of infant life is diminished, but what we are going through is pagan infidelity from God.

In the Laws of Moses abortions are allowed under special circumstances, both the duty of determining the punishment for the crime of causing a miscarriage, and accusing the abortion is the job of the husband. A wife and husband will not be guilty under Exodus 21:22, because the husband is the issuer of punishment. Numbers 5:11-31 describes the laws for regulated abortions in Israel. These are to be carried out when the husband suspects his wife is cheating, and pregnant with another man's child. The priest will administer the abortion. The pain of having an illegitimate child born between a married couple is higher in the sight of God than murdering the child. Under the Laws of Moses there is no punishment for the married couple for having an abortion, except that the wife would be sterilized and wear her guilt. Jesus was born under these circumstances, but Joseph opted not to turn Mary in for suspected infidelity.

Christ still says that the Law of Moses will be in affect on Earth until the end of the world (Matthew 5:17-18). Not everyone has as noble a soul as Joseph, and many men will want an abortion if they suspect cheating. We live in a Christian Gentile country, and we do not literally enforce the Torah. Still, Biblical laws are logical and based on human experience, and their factors will have to come out somewhere in society. Somewhere down the line there are going to be reasons that an abortion may be needed, an absolute ban is unreasonable, and abortion has to be regulated. The value of infant life is a double edged sword in the Bible.

Of course, God ideally loves every child of his from the womb, but this is not the case absolutely. God strikes down the first-born of Egypt in revenge, God commands the extermination of all Canaanites in the Exodus, Christ promises to kill all the children of Jezebel (Revelation 2:23), Deuteronomy 7:2 gives the command to totally cut down the inhabitants of the land and, "Show them no mercy." Everyone knows that murder is against the 10 Commandments, but what about killing in wartime? God definitely commanded Israel to kill a lot of enemies. This is grey area, and takes an understanding of good and evil rooted in law to understand. What we are going through is absurd, and most Christians will never have to deal with a voluntary abortion.

The real issue here is not understanding which path to take while faced with growing pagan infidelity. My favorite verse from the OP video is from Ezekiel:16:20-21. I did not notice this verse until some years ago someone pointed it out to me on another social media platform. This chapter is considered Bible pornography, and if you read it again you'll understand why. Much worse than Solomon's Song. It is about prostitution though, and other things we are going through in modern society. These issues are not new, nothing is new under the Sun. We are once again going through an age of adulterous generations that have hardened their hearts in divorce. There is no way out of this situation, except everyone will have to face the punishment of God, but in the meantime the best answer is a regulated abortion system, regulated by the State, and not Federal government.

Some good insight, thanks for sharing.

 

[KingJ]

So, my God is a God of life, not a god of death. If one argues that it's not "a" life at a certain point of time, then why not let it continue to its final determination?
Because if you don't then all you are doing is lying to yourself to justify an act that allows you to interfere in the workings of the start of life. Playing God, because you know what's going to happen and you know better.

I don't go to the ungodly to see when life begins, or to justify having an abortion. They are going to do what they are going to do, even if God were to say clearly and unequivocally it is wrong.

I don't think anyone argues its not a life. It is all about how conscious to pain that life is. If you look at animals as an example. Who here loses sleep over killing an ant? An abortion in the germinal stage has about as much pain for the 'life' as your ***** does when you waste it on the floor. Your ***** is alive and can live for six days in a fallopian tube.

For me there are two issues to consider.

1. How grievous is the sin of ending what God has put in motion?

There are levels and degrees of this. From God giving the death penalty to Pharoah and his army who tried to stop what He put in motion in freeing Hebrews from 400 years of slavery to Him raising an eyebrow at us if we stop a young child from sharing what God laid on their heart at the pulpit.

With human life, this becomes a very interesting discussion. Nobody can really 'stop' a human that God wants to create. Whilst our bodies are amazing creations, a human is three parts. Mind, body and spirit.

2. How much pain does the life experience?

This depends on what science says the cognitive ability of the 'life' is. The difference between killing a mammal and a cockroach for example is vast. One can get you into prison and the other not.

 

[KingJ]

I will not list all twenty but will link them. 20 Bible Verses about Abortion - What Does Scripture Say?

These are good passages, but I feel you are missing some context.

Let's take the first one, which pretty much summarizes the rest.

Psalm 139:13-16 ~ For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.

Can you answer two questions for me please.

1. Is it in God's plan to start this wonderful process of creating human life, with a terrifying rape of a young girl? Yes or No?

2. If God wanted to create you. Do you think someone aborting your 'body' will stop Him from creating you?

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God's perfect plan is marriage, family unit by blood for life and bringing children up to fear and respect God.

If it is a young girl who is raped, not married, unable to support the child it is not within God's perfect plan. God can use the situation, yes! But to say it is a murder to end what God did not put in motion, at a point in time when the 'life' has zero cognitive ability is just silly.

 

[Christ4Ever]

I don't think anyone argues its not a life. It is all about how conscious to pain that life is. If you look at animals as an example. Who here loses sleep over killing an ant? An abortion in the germinal stage has about as much pain for the 'life' as your ***** does when you waste it on the floor. Your ***** is alive and can live for six days in a fallopian tube.

For me there are two issues to consider.

1. How grievous is the sin of ending what God has put in motion?

There are levels and degrees of this. From God giving the death penalty to Pharoah and his army who tried to stop what He put in motion in freeing Hebrews from 400 years of slavery to Him raising an eyebrow at us if we stop a young child from sharing what God laid on their heart at the pulpit.

With human life, this becomes a very interesting discussion. Nobody can really 'stop' a human that God wants to create. Whilst our bodies are amazing creations, a human is three parts. Mind, body and spirit.

2. How much pain does the life experience?

This depends on what science says the cognitive ability of the 'life' is. The difference between killing a mammal and a cockroach for example is vast. One can get you into prison and the other not.

Dear KingJ,
Do you think sin separates us from God and that He is pained by our actions?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[KingJ]

Dear KingJ,
Do you think sin separates us from God

High level, yes. All sin separates us.

But if you look deeper you find:

1. That whilst all in Hades in the OT were sinners separated from God, only those unrepentant in sin, were experiencing fire.

2. All angels sin, yet a third committed a sin / sins that got them removed from heaven. Pointing to grievous sin, as Catholics would say, mortal sin. Only God is perfect and without sin Mark 10:18.

and that He is pained by our actions?

High level, yes. All our ungodly actions cause pain to someone and because of them being hurt, He is hurt.

Nobody can actually hurt God.

Now with hurting people, there are degrees. I can call you an unpleasant name 1/10, I can slap you in the face 3/10, I can pull your finger nails off 9/10, I can kill you swiftly if you do not deserve it 9.5/10 or slowly 10/10.

Christians here in this thread are calling an abortionist at any week a 'murderer'. IE Someone guilty of a 10/10 evil. Deserving the death penalty or life imprisonment. Would you agree with that?

 

[Christ4Ever]

High level, yes. All sin separates us.

But if you look deeper you find:

1. That whilst all in Hades in the OT were sinners separated from God, only those unrepentant in sin, were experiencing fire.

2. All angels sin, yet a third committed a sin / sins that got them removed from heaven. Pointing to grievous sin, as Catholics would say, mortal sin. Only God is perfect and without sin Mark 10:18.

Angels are not man, for it has not been found that a sacrifice has been made that would remove their sin.

By the way I've looked through a few Bible versions, to include the Catholic one and none of them that I can see include in Mark 10:18 as containing the words that you mention above "...without sin" Also, that verse really needs context, because too often it is taken as meaning that Jesus, was not including Himself in this.

Bottom line is that sin still separates us from God.

High level, yes. All our ungodly actions cause pain to someone and because of them being hurt, He is hurt.

Nobody can actually hurt God.

Now with hurting people, there are degrees. I can call you an unpleasant name 1/10, I can slap you in the face 3/10, I can pull your finger nails off 9/10, I can kill you swiftly if you do not deserve it 9.5/10 or slowly 10/10.

Christians here in this thread are calling an abortionist at any week a 'murderer'. IE Someone guilty of a 10/10 evil. Deserving the death penalty or life imprisonment. Would you agree with that?

Hurt God? But cause Him pain? It depends on what you classify hurt or what I said was pain.
There are different types of "pain" (grieved), and scripture clearly shows that God experiences it, and I'm sure goes beyond anything we know or could relate to. I do believe that if we clearly "knew" the pain of God, that it would destroy us.

As to the abortionist issue, the real question that needs to be considered "Is it a sin what they do?"

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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