What Is Blaspheming the Holy Ghost?

[Waggles]

Mark 16:15 And he said to them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation.
16 Who hath believed and is baptized shall be saved; but who hath disbelieved shall be condemned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that have believed: in my name shall they cast out demons, speak with tongues;
18 and in their hands they shall take up serpents, and if they drink aught deadly, it shall in now wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

I believed the gospel - I believed the scriptures - I repented of my sins and offences - I was baptized in water and the Holy Spirit - then afterwards came the evidence of speaking in tongues -
then afterwards came miracles and healings and blessings.

Romans 15:18 For I dare not speak aught save the things which Christ wrought through me, for obedience of the nations, by word or deed,
19 in power of signs and wonders, in power of the Holy Spirit; so that from Jerusalem, and round about even unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of the Christ;

But there are many who would deny the power and truth of the Holy Spirit in disciples and blaspheme such as works of the adversary and not of God.

 

[Garee]

Act 4:29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
Act 4:30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

Unseen signs used as metaphors in parables follow after one is given the faith of Christ to believe God. They are not signs to seek after. Many have taken it literally drank poison which represent the false teachers a brood of vipers and false prophecy and literally died.

 

[Waggles]

Many have taken it literally drank poison which represent the false teachers a brood of vipers and false prophecy and literally died.

Matthew 4:5 Then the devil taketh him into the holy city, and set him on the pinnacle of the temple,
6 and saith to him, If thou art God’s Son cast thyself down: for it is written [that] He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: And on their hands they shall bear thee up, Lest haply thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Said Jesus to him, Again it is written, Thou shalt not make trial of the Lord thy God.

 

[GodB4Us]

Blasphemy.
You are calling the gift of God - his spiritual tongue given to believers evil.
You are walking on hot coals here.
And prove to us all that praying to God in tongues is the same as what allegedly pagan worshippers speak??

I am calling the real God's gift of tongues is of other men's lips to speak unto the people for why it cannot be for private use. 1 Corinthians 14:20-21

Believers are not to believe every spirit but test them and by knowing Jesus Christ is in us is the best way to know that spirit coming over the saved believer later on in life is NOT the real indwelling Holy Spirit but the spirit of the antichrist.

That is why that tongue is of the world which is gibberish nonsense as found in the occult as confirmed by scripture in Isaiah 8:19 to wit, I point to the prophesy of the falling away from the faith in 1 Timothy 4:1 as this was to happen in droves in the latter days before He comes 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 and so if a believer believes the lie that they can receive the holy Spirit again, the restrainer will be taken out of the way ( He still abides ) and God will allow the wayward believers to suffer that strong delusion for why they are at risk of being left behind to be damned ( 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 ) as vessels unto dishonor in His House, but still saved because they are in His House as vessels of wood & earth, because they did not depart from iniquity. 2 Timothy 2:19-21

Paul reminds believers of the tradition taught of us of when we had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel ( 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 ) to expose that lie of there being another baptism with the Holy Ghost after salvation.

Paul goes on to address those that have gone astray that have departed from the faith & the tradition taught of us that we are commanded to withdraw from every brother that walks disorderly ( 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7 ) but we are not to treat them as the enemy, but admonish them as brothers ( 2 Thessalonians 3;14-15 ) because they are still saved but are at risk of being excommunicated by the Bridegroom for being out to the market still in getting filled with oil but they are part of the ten virgins that are the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 25:1-13

Until you address those verses and show what you are into is not that, but show what is, since we are in the latter days, I say you are not testing the spirits at all & you are going to believer every spirit that falls on you is the Holy Ghost when it is not per John 4:1-6 and neither is that tongue which comes with no interpretation for why that confusion ought to tell you that is not of God because He is not the author of tongues for private use.

 

[Waggles]

I am calling the real God's gift of tongues is of other men's lips to speak unto the people for why it cannot be for private use.

How is it that non-Pentecostals brazenly postulate themselves as authorities on Pentecostal faith and worship??
As you do not pray in the Holy Spirit you have no knowledge nor experience concerning praying in tongues.
You are regurgitating the usual cessationist unbelief and denials against Pentecost and the full gospel of salvation.

I say you are not testing the spirits at all

Opinion and totally unscriptural like all your postings.
You simply have no idea nor experience of what the baptism of the Holy Spirit is all about.
I suppose you need to convince yourself in the end that you are right in your theological unbelief.

Just for your information all the epistles are written to the Spirit-filled Pentecostal churches of the NT - the saints; the ekklesia; the called out ones.
No epistle is written to any non-Pentecostal churches.
You cannot quote the apostles to deny Pentecostal faith and doctrine.

 

[Garee]

Matthew 4:5 Then the devil taketh him into the holy city, and set him on the pinnacle of the temple,
6 and saith to him, If thou art God’s Son cast thyself down: for it is written [that] He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: And on their hands they shall bear thee up, Lest haply thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Said Jesus to him, Again it is written, Thou shalt not make trial of the Lord thy God.

What does that apply to .. . . do not trust a sign that causes a wonder gift?

 

[GodB4Us]

How is it that non-Pentecostals brazenly postulate themselves as authorities on Pentecostal faith and worship??

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By the scriptures given is how any one can, including how to test the spirts as the apostle John warned believers not to believe every spirit but test them and the tongues they bring as there is a supernatural tongue found in the world.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: ( 1 John 4:2 is the same thing as saying 2 Corinthians 13:5 in that Jesus Christ "is come in the flesh" as being in us.

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Is there not a prophesy about the falling away from the faith which is to occur before the Bridegroom comes that is after the workings of Satan?

2 Thessalonians 2:1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,... 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Isaiah 8: 19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

John 7: 7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

So when was the last time you tested the spirits by knowing the Holy Spirit has been in you since salvation to know that spirit coming over you later in life as a saved believer, bringing that tongue for private use, is not the real holy Spirit as the apostle John gave us instructions on how to test the spirits 7 the tongues they bring when the real God's gifts of tongues is for speaking unto the people in foreign languages for why it will come with interpretation in the assembly?

If you believe we are in the latter days and the rapture is imminent, then where is that falling away from the faith due to the workings of Satan, if that is not what scripture is exposing as not of Him at all? Where is it then?

 

[Waggles]

By the scriptures given is how any one can, including how to test the spirts as the apostle John warned believers not to believe every spirit but test them and the tongues they bring as there is a supernatural tongue found in the world.

I believed scripture
I prayed to Jesus for his truth - for Him to lead me to the true gospel
I was born from above by water and Spirit
I spoke in tongues as Jesus and the apostles wrote of in scripture.
I received miracles and healings and much answered prayer
I continue to walk in the Spirit and to be transformed by the power of the indwelling Spirit.

You as per usual post scripture without understanding.

Is there not a prophesy about the falling away from the faith which is to occur before the Bridegroom comes that is after the workings of Satan?

That is written to Pentecostal Christians of the first and only church in the NT and refers to the likes of you and your worldly churches.
Jude 1:18 that they said to you, In the last time mockers shall be, walking after their own ungodly lusts.
1:19 These are they who make separations, having only soul, not having Spirit.

 

[Waggles]

Just for your information all the epistles are written to the Spirit-filled Pentecostal churches of the NT - the saints; the ekklesia; the called out ones.
No epistle is written to any non-Pentecostal churches.
You cannot quote the apostles to deny Pentecostal faith and doctrine.

 

[GodB4Us]

I believed scripture
I prayed to Jesus for his truth - for Him to lead me to the true gospel
I was born from above by water and Spirit
I spoke in tongues as Jesus and the apostles wrote of in scripture.
I received miracles and healings and much answered prayer
I continue to walk in the Spirit and to be transformed by the power of the indwelling Spirit.

You as per usual post scripture without understanding.

That is written to Pentecostal Christians of the first and only church in the NT and refers to the likes of you and your worldly churches.
Jude 1:18 that they said to you, In the last time mockers shall be, walking after their own ungodly lusts.
1:19 These are they who make separations, having only soul, not having Spirit.

Since scripture cannot go against scripture, that leaves you not rightly dividing the word of truth, brother. If someone was speaking against your experience to live after their own ungodly lusts, then that would be rightly dividing the word of truth, but that is not the case for I am not pointing believers like you to pursue ungodly lust at all, but reminding you of the tradition taught of us for when we had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel and at no other time, unless you make the Father look evil as if He did not give you the Holy Spirit the first time as promised for knocking at the door of Jesus Christ.

Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

That means in context, once a believer has received the promise of the holy Ghost from the Father at their salvation; that born again of the Spirit moment when we had first believed, there is no receiving the Holy Spirit again.

It will take a miracle from the Lord to open your eyes as I know I cannot do it no matter how much scripture He has led me to share with you to edify & correct of what you have gone astray by.

 

[Waggles]

That means in context, once a believer has received the promise of the holy Ghost from the Father at their salvation; that born again of the Spirit moment when we had first believed, there is no receiving the Holy Spirit again.

Again and again you show your ignorance of both scripture and of the Holy Spirit - the Comforter.

Luke 11:9 And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
10 For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.
13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
13 Even Simon himself believed, and after being baptized he continued with Philip. And seeing signs and great miracles performed, he was amazed.
14 Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John,
15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit,
16 for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
17 Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit.

How did the apostles know when the people in Samaria had received the Holy Spirit??
There is only one sign given in scripture to confirm the baptism of the Holy Spirit - speaking in tongues.

Acts 10:45 And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles.
46 For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared,

Acts 19:5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking in tongues and prophesying.

 

[Garee]

By the scriptures given is how any one can, including how to test the spirts as the apostle John warned believers not to believe every spirit but test them and the tongues they bring as there is a supernatural tongue found in the world.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: ( 1 John 4:2 is the same thing as saying 2 Corinthians 13:5 in that Jesus Christ "is come in the flesh" as being in us.

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

There are spiritual gifts . A spirit does not have flesh and blood. No such thing as seek after a sign gift as that which the unbelieving Jews demanded of Jesus making him a circus seal. Show us a sign to wonder after then we can trust your word.

Many took away the spiritual understanding of the parable and tried to make it literal proof, drinking poison used to represent false apostles, false prophets that they had to Holy Spirit but all died in vain trying to prove it .Some even went to cemeteries in a attempt too raise the dead .like the Pope Formosa the cadaver trial (1500 AD)

Note . . .(PURPLE) by added comment

Mark 16:16-18King James Version He that believeth and is baptized (not H20 but the power of the Holy Spirit ) shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow (not lead) them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; (the gospel) They (by the power of the gospel) shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick,( by the power of the gospel or called new tongue) and they shall recover.

 

[GodB4Us]

Again and again you show your ignorance of both scripture and of the Holy Spirit - the Comforter.

Do take pause to make sure with Him that this is not the judgment on yourself.

Luke 11:9 And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
10 For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.
13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”

So for a saved believer to ask the Father "again" for the Holy Spirit to receive "again" is to make the Father look evil as if He did not give you the Holy Spirit the first time when you had asked when knocking at the door of Jesus Christ.

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
13 Even Simon himself believed, and after being baptized he continued with Philip. And seeing signs and great miracles performed, he was amazed.
14 Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John,
15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit,
16 for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
17 Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit.

How did the apostles know when the people in Samaria had received the Holy Spirit??
There is only one sign given in scripture to confirm the baptism of the Holy Spirit - speaking in tongues.

That pretty much assigns you of that camp that if a believer does not speak in tongues, he does not have the Holy Spirit and therefore he is not saved, am I correct? Not sure how you can clarify that if you were not meaning that. And yet Paul said not all speak in tongues.

I also point out that the reference did not say they spoke in tongues and why would they when they all speak the same language?

Acts 10:45 And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles.
46 For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared,

Acts 19:5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking in tongues and prophesying.

Yet Paul says that tongues were to serve as a sign to unbelievers, not for the believers, meaning not to serve as a sign to the believers for the believers to now they were saved. 1 Corinthians 14:20-22

 

[GodB4Us]

There are spiritual gifts . A spirit does not have flesh and blood. No such thing as seek after a sign gift as that which the unbelieving Jews demanded of Jesus making him a circus seal. Show us a sign to wonder after then we can trust your word.

Per 1 John 4:1-6 John was giving a guideline on testing actual spirits/ phenomenon. 1 John 4:2 is the same thing as saying 2 Corinthians 13:5. This is rightly dividing the word of truth because 1 John 4:3-4 confirm this by how those who do not confess where Jesus Christ is in us are testifying to that spirit felt in the world outside of us in the worship place as that is the discerning line that is not the Holy Spirit when He is in us for how we will know Him John 14:16-17

We are to test the tongues also because there is a pagan supernatural tongue in the world that is just gibberish nonsense and not a language of men for God to speak unto the people. 1 John 4:5-6 That is the only reason why tongues are not coming with interpretation because that is not the real God's gift of tongues but is of the world.

Many took away the spiritual understanding of the parable and tried to make it literal proof, drinking poison used to represent false apostles, false prophets that they had to Holy Spirit but all died in vain trying to prove it .Some even went to cemeteries in a attempt too raise the dead .like the Pope Formosa the cadaver trial (1500 AD)

Thanks for sharing that tragic report.

Note . . .(PURPLE) by added comment

Mark 16:16-18King James Version He that believeth and is baptized (not H20 but the power of the Holy Spirit ) shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow (not lead) them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; (the gospel) They (by the power of the gospel) shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick,( by the power of the gospel or called new tongue) and they shall recover.

I agree. And Amen.

Paul did not seek to be bitten by the viper as if testing God, but this is an example of signs following believers.

Acts 28:3 And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. 4 And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live. 5 And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm. 6 Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.

 

[Waggles]

I also point out that the reference did not say they spoke in tongues and why would they when they all speak the same language?

Oh how those who do not pray in tongues declare themselves to be the authority on speaking in tongues by every true worshipper and the operation of the the gift of tongues and interpretation
in worship meetings when the body of Christ comes together.

 

[GodB4Us]

Oh how those who do not pray in tongues declare themselves to be the authority on speaking in tongues by every true worshipper and the operation of the the gift of tongues and interpretation
in worship meetings when the body of Christ comes together.

Since you have been applying tongues as evidence that believers have the holy Spirit, is why you are not righty dividing the word of truth towards that end, brother.

 

[Garee]

Oh how those who do not pray in tongues declare themselves to be the authority on speaking in tongues by every true worshipper and the operation of the the gift of tongues and interpretation
in worship meetings when the body of Christ comes together.

If you pray seeking his understanding .The idea of sounds without meaning is another gospel... the gospel of wondering, wondering , wondering .

He warns us that we a do not need mankind to teach us .So he certainly would not make a noise and say find a interpreter .The Holy Spirit that works within is the interpreter as two walking in agreement to one God .

 

[GodB4Us]

If you pray seeking his understanding .The idea of sounds without meaning is another gospel... the gospel of wondering, wondering , wondering .

That means tongues are never for private use but will come with interpretation otherwise you will always be wondering, wondering, wondering.

That is why Paul is praying that someone ese will interpret that tongue being manifested thru Paul so he would understand it and thus be truly edified.

1 Corinthians 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

He warns us that we a do not need mankind to teach us .So he certainly would not make a noise and say find a interpreter .The Holy Spirit that works within is the interpreter as two walking in agreement to one God .

Yet that is what Paul has been saying a along that tongues is not a stand lone gift to use in the assembly and certainly not for private use for why the gift of prophesy is the gift to seek after over all spiritual gifts .

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

 

[Garee]

That means tongues are never for private use but will come with interpretation otherwise you will always be wondering, wondering, wondering.

Tongues is prophecy (no difference ) . The idea of private use (wondering, wondering ) makes no biblical sense.

No such thing as a sign gift. Spiritual unseen gifts yes.

Jesus apposed wondering marveling rather that the end of faith the salvation of our new souls .

Nicodemus under a law of the faithless fathers as oral traditons of mankind were them that made Jesus into a circus seal. Do a work show a miracle then we will believe.

When presenting the greatest possible miracle of "all" (born again) the loving commandment from the father . Jesus replied Marvel or wonder not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Wondering is not believing as a anchor of Christ 's faith that works in each believer we receive the end from the beginning. No need for weakly wonder fill ups


Verse 7 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

Those things can only be if we are empowered to believe . Wondering is for the atheist.

Faith, prophecy, the tongue of God

 

[Garee]

Oh how those who do not pray in tongues declare themselves to be the authority on speaking in tongues by every true worshipper and the operation of the the gift of tongues and interpretation
in worship meetings when the body of Christ comes together.

I can see that you still refuse to look to the foundation of the doctrine of God's tongues (prophecy)

Why would you even attribute and authority that comes from baby language . “Saw lasaw saw lasaw.
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw. Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”(no understanding coming from God).

Isaiah 28: But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words (tongue) will be senseless sounds to them:

“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”

When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.