What Is HELL ?

[KingJ]

You accuse B-A-C of cherry-picking as you commit that very sin against Yehovah. B-A-C and I understand that no scripture or scripture collection can be correctly understood without the light of all scripture shining on it/them. We know the scriptures you Catholics dwell on and learning all of the Word of God and being indwelt with the Ruah we have Yehovah's reckoning together of these scriptures.

If you interpreted your scriptures with the light of all shining on them you would not ignore those I have presented. I have not ignored yours. You and BAC are 100% guilty of pushing a half truth.

Its quite funny actually. On one hand I like reading @B-A-C earnestly blast sinners who think they can just commit any sin and think God is ok with it. This is true as mortal sin is terrible. But then wonder to myself how the two of you do not grasp that your ideology would permit a mortal sinner to think they are ok with God as all sin = sin. So what if I am battling with a mortal sin that God ordained a graphic and violent death by stoning for me in the OT, God of the NT is more chilled, I can commit my mortal sin and fail all week long as we all '''sin''' .

The trouble is you want the Pope to define justice and like us he is human.

You are grabbing at straws to keep face. ''Quick, let me gather my Catholic bashing notes and change the topic''.

Not Hell, it's the Lake of Fire.

What has this to do with anything? We call Sheol, Hades and the lake of fire, a ''hell''. Hell is not mentioned anywhere in scripture. 100% non issue.

The Bible without the man imposed numbering system/

Now, view that in the light of all other scripture and you will see if you are indwelt.

Could not agree more. According to my post to you in #300, you open your bible, ignore the entire OT, even Num 23:19 that says God does not change His mind, you ignore Jesus in Matt 5:32 and quote only Matt 5:28, you ignore 1 Cor 6:1-8 and quote only 1 Cor 6:9-12, then ignore 1 Cor 5 in its entirety. Ignore Rom 7:15. You also completely and utterly either do not grasp the definition of the word ''just'', or ignore all scripture stating that God is just. Then accuse me of not considering ''light of all scripture''. Name ONE scripture I am not considering. Please. Backup your accusation.

 

[KingJ]

There are "Christians" that believe God will not punish anyone for anything. ( saved or not )
There are "Christians" that believe as long as you believe in Jesus, anything goes, God is OK with all my sins just because I believe in Jesus.
There are "Christians" who believe God is OK with "some" of my sins. - I defy them to show me a single scripture that says so.

We have ELCA, United Methodist, Roman Catholic and Episcopal right here in the town I live in today that have gay clergy, perform gay marriages.
Because "God is OK with these things".

You can say well "They are wrong", and that's fine. But the point is, what we as humans think is right or just, isn't what God thinks is right or just.

You mention perverting justice. Here in the US we have a symbol called "Lady Justice" she is blindfolded and is holding a pair of scales.

The idea is that good and evil balance out. But where do you draw the line on this? If you're truly concerned about being fair and just.
Good, righteous, ( saved ) Christian will go to paradise, live on streets of gold, eat fruit, worship God, and live forever.

What is the other side of that balance scale?

Bad, wicked, evil ( unsaved ) people will go to hades. the lake of fire, and die forever.

In order for justice to be truly just, however good the good side of something is.
The bad side has to be equally bad.

All Saved Christians live in paradise forever.
All unsaved sinners will live in hell forever.

Like it or not, that's the definition of true justice.

BAC, once more you quote a line from me and go off on an unrelated rant. Please read my post, a few times, let the facts of what I am stating sink in a bit before you reply.

You are like an intercontinental missile that is completely off course .

 

[Bill Taylor]

If you interpreted your scriptures with the light of all shining on them you would not ignore those I have presented. I have not ignored yours. You and BAC are 100% guilty of pushing a half truth.

Its quite funny actually. On one hand I like reading @B-A-C earnestly blast sinners who think they can just commit any sin and think God is ok with it. This is true as mortal sin is terrible. But then wonder to myself how the two of you do not grasp that your ideology would permit a mortal sinner to think they are ok with God as all sin = sin. So what if I am battling with a mortal sin that God ordained a graphic and violent death by stoning for me in the OT, God of the NT is more chilled, I can commit my mortal sin and fail all week long as we all '''sin''' .

Yehovah did not change when Yashuah was born and that silly idea can only be reached by cherry-picking and ignoring. You are guilty of changing the very Word of God to convince yourself that you can be forgiven of some sin after your demise in this time/space continuum, that is not true.
Daniel 12:2
And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Death is transitioning from here into eternity and search as I may, there are no passages on forgiveness after departing here.

You are grabbing at straws to keep face. ''Quick, let me gather my Catholic bashing notes and change the topic''.



What has this to do with anything? We call Sheol, Hades and the lake of fire, a ''hell''. Hell is not mentioned anywhere in scripture. 100% non issue.

I have good friends that worship in the Catholic Church that do not live by anything but the scriptures. In the Army I had a couple of men that lived to get out of the service so they could become made men by the Mafia, they were Catholic. Protestant or Catholic, there are followers of Yashuah, and both, also have people perverting the Word to find comfort.

Could not agree more. According to my post to you in #300, you open your bible, ignore the entire OT, even Num 23:19 that says God does not change His mind, you ignore Jesus in Matt 5:32 and quote only Matt 5:28, you ignore 1 Cor 6:1-8 and quote only 1 Cor 6:9-12, then ignore 1 Cor 5 in its entirety. Ignore Rom 7:15. You also completely and utterly either do not grasp the definition of the word ''just'', or ignore all scripture stating that God is just. Then accuse me of not considering ''light of all scripture''. Name ONE scripture I am not considering. Please. Backup your accusation.

I ignore none of the scriptures but I do know none of the verses you list are stand-alone verses but, in context, are a portion of a thought in a letter from God to us.

 

[KingJ]

You are guilty of changing the very Word of God to convince yourself that you can be forgiven of some sin after your demise in this time/space continuum, that is not true

Purgatory is a separate topic.

I am not personally a Catholic, but can understand why they believe in Purgatory. Have you ever properly studied the topic and considered their argument for it?

 

[KingJ]

I ignore none of the scriptures but I do know none of the verses you list are stand-alone verses but, in context, are a portion of a thought in a letter from God to us.

Instead of making an arbitrary statement, why not post a rebuttal? I gave you 1 Cor 5:1 that clearly speaks to degrees of sin. Explain to me why you disagree. Also explain to me why you ignore the fact that the whole OT spoke to degrees of sin, bearing in mind Num 23:19 that states God does not change His mind.

 

[Bill Taylor]

Purgatory is a separate topic.

I am not personally a Catholic, but can understand why they believe in Purgatory. Have you ever properly studied the topic and considered their argument for it?

Neither Purgatory nor any teaching it codifies is found in scripture and you argue, not discuss, the subject as though you are Catholic, why when the topic is about Hell?

 

[Bill Taylor]

Instead of making an arbitrary statement, why not post a rebuttal? I gave you 1 Cor 5:1 that clearly speaks to degrees of sin. Explain to me why you disagree. Also explain to me why you ignore the fact that the whole OT spoke to degrees of sin, bearing in mind Num 23:19 that states God does not change His mind.

Because I have given you well over twenty scripture references refuting your position and demonstrating that there are no stand-alone doctrinal verses that you refuse to equate or to balance against the thimble full you present as stand-alone evidence.

Scripture, read without the chapters and verses, the way Yehovah delivered them, as love letters, clearly demonstrates my teaching. And I am finding it tiresome to repeat myself. As much as I dislike saying this, scripture does teach us not to cast pearls of wisdom at the feet of swine and you are trampling scripture.

We are finished with this exercise in futility except you accept the clear instruction of God's Word.