What kind of religion Islam is?

[El Hombre viejo]

I've read these posts in this thread and I'm apalled at how much is said with so little knowledge. Try doing a little reading. I would suggest a good book....If I may?

Start with 'The Islamic Antichrist' Its by Joel Richardson. It's an easy read. Only about four hundred pages. It tells you who their 'Jesus' is. And a lot more too.

We all know Muslim people Most are very nice people. Remember though that Islam is their religion and religion is the most powerful influence on most peoples lives. If your Muslim friends were called upon to do so, they would become mass murders over night.


There is nothing good about this cult. It honors lies, murder, and every other evil you can think of.

 

[El Hombre viejo]

Oh You may also want to read "The Myth of islamic Tolerance" by Robert Spencer

If all this offends you...Welcome to the truth.

 

[KMcMillan]

Sorry for the Double Post

 

[KMcMillan]

Allah and God aren't the same, Allah is a pagan god of one of the MANY gods of Arabs that refers to the moon that's why muslims rely on the moon to do anything and that's why a crescent is their symbol.

I am a christian, and am going to say this as gently as I can. And While I quoted you, I am speaking to all Christians.

I've read these posts in this thread and I'm apalled at how much is said with so little knowledge. Try doing a little reading. I would suggest a good book....If I may?

Please read your bible, and pertaining to this situation particularily, Genisis chapters 11–25. I get really tired of Christian, spouting their mouths and not knowing what they are talking about.

Alah is often refered to as "the God of Abraham" .

Do you remember Abraham ? He was eventually told by god to scarifice his son and was stopped by an angel.

He was also promised that same son by god, but he and his wife Sarah tried for a long time to have a child without sucess. He and his wife became impatient, so he took a concubine to his bed and she became pregnant. That son's name was Ishmael (spelling). After he had his son with the concubine, his wife got pregnant with Issac.

His wife became jealous, and made Abraham run off the concubine and his son.

Issac is more commonly known as the father of the jews. Ishmael the father of Islam, So the Bible based fact is, that Jews, Christians, and Islam all share the SAME God.

We shall live by the word of God, and yet you, and many others say things that are not only, not "Not Biblical", but just ignorant. Please, for the sake of God who you claim to love, read your bible, before you make such statements.

 

[KMcMillan]

There is No relationship with a muslim and a Christian! the christian will Love the Muslim but hate the god they serve! !

You really hate the God they serve, see my above post, and I pray that God have mercy on your soul.

 

[Chad]

I am a christian, and am going to say this as gently as I can. And While I quoted you, I am speaking to all Christians.



Please read your bible, and pertaining to this situation particularily, Genisis chapters 11–25. I get really tired of Christian, spouting their mouths and not knowing what they are talking about.

Alah is often refered to as "the God of Abraham" .

Do you remember Abraham ? He was eventually told by god to scarifice his son and was stopped by an angel.

He was also promised that same son by god, but he and his wife Sarah tried for a long time to have a child without sucess. He and his wife became impatient, so he took a concubine to his bed and she became pregnant. That son's name was Ishmael (spelling). After he had his son with the concubine, his wife got pregnant with Issac.

His wife became jealous, and made Abraham run off the concubine and his son.

Issac is more commonly known as the father of the jews. Ishmael the father of Islam, So the Bible based fact is, that Jews, Christians, and Islam all share the SAME God.

We shall live by the word of God, and yet you, and many others say things that are not only, not "Not Biblical", but just ignorant. Please, for the sake of God who you claim to love, read your bible, before you make such statements.

We do not share the same God. If we did, then explain the Koran and "prophet Mohammed". Do you know his past, his history? Do you know how the Koran greatly contradicts the bible?

 

[megs56]

I am halfway through Joel Richardson's book (The Islamic Antichrist) and I am chilled by what I am reading. It makes so much sense. I would urge everyone looking through these posts to read it as a matter of priority. I am very concerned that some feel we are worshipping the same God (we are NOT) and others feel that Islam is peaceful (it is essentially NOT). I believe it is a very clever campaign devised and directed by Satan against our God and his son, Jesus Christ. Islam believes that Jesus was just a good fellow but not the Son of God.and that He will return and wage war on the Jews, as of course he hates them just as every good Muslim does. Does that sound like the Jesus we know and love? Matthew 23:37 "Oh Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them which are sent to thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!" That sounds like love for a precious child to me. One day we are going to have to stand, in one camp or the other because as it appears now, there is a very real threat that Islam will dominate the world.

 

[Brighthouse]

Brother Theologian, Jesus came to set man free,free to love him or not love him,your religion does not teach this at all! Jesus says to love all men,your religion teaches that those who are not of Islam are infidels. Jesus said you shall know each man by there fruit,your religion cuts the tree down before it can bear any fruit. We pray as often as we wish to,you pray 7 times to someone who cannot hear you,or answer your prayers.Jesus is God,Jesus is only a Holy man to you.How are we allies??

You hit me,I bless you, I hit you, you will kill me! I show peace,you speak about it but have no fruit of it.How are we allies? Believers come with open arms as our Jesus does,you come in peace as long as I agree with your religion, and if i do not you would slay me.How are we allies? What association has light with darkness? I am not slamming you brother,but how can one see when they have there eyes closed? We are in no way alike. Jesus has no masks of love,peace or joy,your religion wears masks all day long. You cover yourself so as not to expose the truth of your god. How are we allies?

Please make no mistake!! A law which holds in effect is true to both the believer and the non believer.(Gal 6:7-10!!) We believers take the opportunity to do good,Islam speaks of it,but its fruit bears something much different.How then can we ever be allies? Are we believers better then you are brother? LOL NO!! ( rom 12:3) but our God sure is! For words have little value without action associated with them,we believers do, then speak.For by our action do our words give life to those who hear!( james 1:22) Human nature is taught,not created.

How did one learn to lie,without being taught this first? How does one swear without first hearing another swear? Human nature is taught,a child learns from those who teach him or her.And from what they are taught in life,they either choose to believe or keep seeking truth. The promise for the believer in Christ Jesus ,is all those who seek will truly find( matt 7:7) Islam says it already is the truth,and those who seek the truth away from there truth must die. How indeed brother could we ever become allies??

 

[megs56]

Well said, Brighthouse, well said and Amen.

 

[Emiliana]

Islam is a religion of peace and love in the same way in which I would argue Christianity is.
Both Holy Books preach peace and love however both Holy Books also say things not quite so peaceful so how can one be peaceful and the other not be?

​'Now the man who acts presumptuously and will not heed the priest who stands to minister there before the Lord your God, or the judge, that man shall die.' - Deuteronomy 17:12
There are many bible quotes which say types of people should be killed, such as the one quoted. This does not mean Christianity itself is not peaceful, therefore this goes for Islam too. The idea of Islam being a religion of 'terrorism' is ridiculous.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Islam is a religion of peace and love in the same way in which I would argue Christianity is.
Both Holy Books preach peace and love however both Holy Books also say things not quite so peaceful so how can one be peaceful and the other not be?

​'Now the man who acts presumptuously and will not heed the priest who stands to minister there before the Lord your God, or the judge, that man shall die.' - Deuteronomy 17:12
There are many bible quotes which say types of people should be killed, such as the one quoted. This does not mean Christianity itself is not peaceful, therefore this goes for Islam too. The idea of Islam being a religion of 'terrorism' is ridiculous.

Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by Him doth this man stand here before you whole.
This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Acts 4:10-12

@Emiliana
I will be blunt here.....you are misguided and believing a lie

Islam blatantly denies that Jesus is the Son of God in the qur'an.

Islam is a false religion that adamantly rejects the one and only true Saviour, Jesus Christ;

Islam is of the devil, and not one muslim will gain eternal salvation through the false religion of islam

Praise God.....muslims can turn from islam to the one and only Saviour Jesus Christ and receive the free gift of Salvation that only He can offer.


Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me
John 14:6

 

[Brighthouse]

It is rather odd is it not Emiliana, that not everyone who believes in Islam is a terrorist,but every terrorist believes in Islam? And we believers are not under the law any longer sis,we are under grace! Islam is the law in your Country,you have no choice in the matter.That is a large difference to most of us here!

 

[Emiliana]

@Fragrant Grace

I just want to make it clear that I do not believe Islam to be truth, I did not comment on whether or not it was 'lies.' I was simply commenting on whether or not it is a peaceful religion, and I believe it I just as peaceful/non-peaceful as any other religion. Islam is not the only religion to create conflict, yes terrorism is terrible but 1. It is not a tactic only used by Muslims 2. Not all Muslims are terrorists.
Of course I would not say Islam is truth due to the fact (as you pointed out) they do not believe Christ is the Son of God. Sorry for any miscommunication is my first post.

 

[Brighthouse]

Good sister Emiliana This can be a sensitive subject for many of us here,I sure am not angry, nor do I ever wish my words to become, or even seem harsh. I would say that many of us have painful memories of past events. I know I do. I firmly believe in the freedom of speech to and for all people,but the words used in that freedom must reflect a goodness and kindness for those who may disagree with a certain stand taken by the writer. I take no offense from those who disagree with me,I hope those who read what I also write do the same.

There are always two sides of any view given.For me, and I can only speak for me,the view I myself strive so very hard to maintain is from my Jesus i serve.( 2 cor 13:11-14) I am, and will always be a Soldier,I have seen death and horror in my two tours in Vietnam,I hate war! I, like many, wish for peace to reign forever for all people's,but I am also a realist,and know that as long as there are men in this world, there will always be war. The Word of God for me has a most special meaning to me,I have become set free from all bondage because of Jesus and his Word.

For the Soldier in Christ Jesus the 4 chapters of 2nd Timothy speak much about the character of such a believer.(Chapter 2) The charge given by 2nd Timothy in Chapter 4 is to both preach,and always be ready in season, or out of season. to reprove,rebuke,exhort with great patience and instruction,for the time is coming, and even now, has come when many will not endure sound doctrine,but wishing to have there ears tickled they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,and will turn away there ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.( 2 tim 4:1-5)

But for us Soldiers in Christ Jesus we are to remain sober in all things,to indeed endure hardships,and to DO the work of an evangelist,thereby fulfilling our very own Ministry! And what indeed is that ministry one may ask? 2 things.1. For our own self to become reconciled to God for God,and 2. To draw others,and plead with others to do the very same in there life.( 2 cor 5:17-20) So we can become like minded.So that we, who so wish for peace,may always have the same peace which dwells within every believer!! God Bless you sis.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

It is rather odd is it not Emiliana, that not everyone who believes in Islam is a terrorist,but every terrorist believes in Islam? And we believers are not under the law any longer sis,we are under grace! Islam is the law in your Country,you have no choice in the matter.That is a large difference to most of us here!

Greetings @Brighthouse

The United Kingdom is not under islam law.

Praising the Lord for that!

 

[Emiliana]

Islam is the law in your Country,you have no choice in the matter.

I find it quite interesting actually that you assume I'm from as Islamic country due to the fact that I defended the religion. Why is this? Just out of curiosity. Also not all terrorists are Muslim. I agree and understand fully when you say that many of us have painful memories of the past however we should not allow these memories to influence the way we view groups of people or the world in general

 

[Brighthouse]

Quite true The United Kingdom is not under this law,but those who follow Islam do not always identify with the rulers of that government do they? There goal is to change the present Government to there way of thinking. And for many of them, not all of course, but many,they do not care how they is accomplished either.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

1) Jesus is mentioned more times in the Quran than Muhammad is.

Unimportant

2) Jesus is on the same level of respect and reverence as Muhammad.

But WHO the REAL Jesus is, and what His Purpose was is denied. The ISLAMIC Jesus has been downgraded to only being a prophet, instead of a SAVIOR who's SIN OFFERING on the Cross is the ONLY WAY that man's SIN can be Cleansed and removed completely.

3) Our God is the same as the Judeo-Christian God. "Allah" is literally arabic for "God".

Big deal!! Word games. The Islamic "God thing" bears no resemblance to the Christian God, either in Character, methodology, or purpose.

4) The Quran has never, ever supported the killing of non-combatants (women, children, elderly, unarmed men)

Tell that LIE to the Islamic victims of 9-11. ISLAM is a BLOODY satanic religio-political system that murders anybody that gets in its way.

 

[Downunder]

THE SON OF GOD IN THE QUR'AN
Though not specifically addressed to Christians, but people in general, and most likely idolaters who referred to their idols as sons and daughters of God, the issue of whether God can have sons or daughters is addressed
in the Qur'an in Sura 6:100 and the following verses. Verses 100 and 101 state,

Yet they make
The Jinns equals
With Allah, though Allah
Did create the Jinns;
And they falsely,
Having no knowledge,
Attribute to Him
Sons and daughters,
Praise and glory be
To him (for He is) above
What they attribute to Him!
To Him is due
The primal origin
Of the heavens and the earth:
How can He have a son
When He hath no consort?
He created all things,
And He hath full knowledge
Of all things.

All but one reference in the Qur'an that negate the Sonship of Jesus Christ, 'Isa al-Masih, ibn Miriam, in the negation use the Arabic word, walad ﻮﻟﺪ , generally meaning a physical son in the nominative but also able to have
a spiritual/metaphorical meaning.
Sura 9:30, “The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them:
how they are deluded away from the Truth!”, is the only place in the Qur'an where Jesus Christ is referred to as the Son of God using the word, ibn ﺍﺑﻦ .
However, the second part of the verse containing the actual statement denouncing the confession of Christians that “the Messiah is the Son of God”, uses neither the word ibn ﺍﺑﻦ nor the word walad ﻮﻟﺪ in its denunciation.
Since ibn ﺍﺑﻦ can have either a physical or spiritual meaning, without a specific word used in the negation it is unclear whether the physical or spiritual meaning, is denounced. [I would venture both]

 

[Downunder]

What do Islam and the Quran say about Jesus?
Muhammad was visited by the angel Jibrīl, known as Gabriel in English, who revealed to him the beginnings of what would later become the Qur’an.

Jesus was born of a virgin > He [Jibrīl] said: “Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son. 20 She said: “How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?”
21 He said: “So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, ‘that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us’: It is a matter (so) decreed.” (19:19-21, Yusif Ali)
And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples. (21:91, Yusif Ali) > thus the angel Jibrīl breathed into Mary's garment sleeve ...

Jesus was created > The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was. (3:59, Yusif Ali)

Jesus was given revelation by Allah > He said: “I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made made me a prophet. (19:30, Yusif Ali)

Denial Jesus’ Crucifixion > That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein
are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. (4:157,Yusif Ali)

Jesus is no more than a messenger of Allah > O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son.
To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. (4:171, Yusif Ali)

Jesus, Son of Mary, did not say to worship himself or Mary > And behold! Allah will say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah’?”
He will say: “Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine.
For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. (5:116, Yusif Ali)

You are cursed if you say Jesus is God’s son > The Jews call ‘Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say.
Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! (9:30, Yusif Ali)

Jesus said to obey Allah > When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: “Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah and obey me. (43:63, Yusif Ali)