What kind of religion Islam is?

[Hekuran]

So the question of whether Muslims are permitted to lie to Christian is of such fundamental importance to @MedicBravo that he is willing to call me a liar and proclaim judgement on my standing before God on it.

But as it becomes crystal clear that he has nothing to back up his mistaken belief, it's just "whatever".

 

[MedicBravo]

So the question of whether Muslims are permitted to lie to Christian is of such fundamental importance to @MedicBravo that he is willing to call me a liar and proclaim judgement on my standing before God on it.

But as it becomes crystal clear that he has nothing to back up his mistaken belief, it's just "whatever".

Whatever is a response to you and the same people who regurgitate the same brainwashed lies.
Since you've declined to respond if you're a Christian or not and have shown you are not, then your validity in be or anyone else in all this is useless.
You value your "friendship" with the enemy and that's your choice.
Truth isn't name calling. Anyone can find an Arabic to English translation of the Quran and learn for themselves.
You're one of many people who refuse to believe anything other than what's in your little bubble. Many who know far more than you have proven that Islam and Muslims are evil and only "act" peaceful to deceive.

 

[Hekuran]

OK. Unbrainwash me. Burst the little bubble of my wrong belief. Show me where either the Quran or Hadith permit lying to Christians and I'll change my view. Or come clean and admit that you cannot back your claim. If, as you say, you value truth, tell the truth on this matter.

And a gentle reminder @MedicBravo that on this thread I'm not engaging with you on the question or whether I'm a Christian, if Muslims are deceived, how much I value friendship with people of other faiths or any other matter.

 

[Br. Bear]

@MedicBravo

Greetings,

please sit back for a while and consider your manners.
There is no need at all to be rude to fellow members here, much less a Brother in Christ.

As Hekuran @Hekuran stated, this thread is not about him and his faith nor his desire to bring the gospel to those in need.

What can you tell me about fruit? Is being a friend of sinners a sin in itself? I seem to remember Jesus being slandered for such. Is that your stand, also?

You have been asked a few times to let us know where muslims are instructed to lie and you have not yet given any hint of proof for this.
It is very clear/ you have made yourself very clear about your thoughts about people who follow the muslim faith. That however has little to do with the question.
This is a forum where questions can be asked and answers provided. If you can not show anywhere that permits/instructs muslims to lie, please simply say so. It is that easy.
You are emanating hate and that is quite hypocritical and contradictory.

The question stands.

It is not something to justify a religion that is not Christian. This is a matter of speaking truth... and that ought to be done in love, according to the Bible.
I suggest you owe member Hekuran an apology.

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you let others know that one can read the book the muslims use [in fact, you wrote 'learn' ]

Anyone can find an Arabic to English translation of the Quran and learn for themselves.

have you done that yourself?
In my reading & researching of that book and other related books they use as 'helpers' , i am in agreement with Hekuran. There are a lot of disagreeable things written in their books but that does not mean we should invent and push untruths to back up anything.

You wrote/quoted

He said it Himself: I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life

truth.


I presume by "He' you mean Jesus Christ?


watch your manners and consider your ways, please


Bless you ....><>

 

[MedicBravo]

OK. Unbrainwash me. Burst the little bubble of my wrong belief. Show me where either the Quran or Hadith permit lying to Christians and I'll change my view. Or come clean and admit that you cannot back your claim. If, as you say, you value truth, tell the truth on this matter.

And a gentle reminder @MedicBravo that on this thread I'm not engaging with you on the question or whether I'm a Christian, if Muslims are deceived, how much I value friendship with people of other faiths or any other matter.

You're free to stay brainwashed.
I don't have to prove what that cult has done since it was MADE UP by some pedo boy with anger issues.
Nothing in the Bible even remotely suggests we are to "respect" and "recognize" another "religion".
Pretty sure the first four commandments are definitive. If you, as a non-Christian can be so obsessed with theirs and not ours then you are the one with the problem.
You're refusal to answer said questions has answered the question. Good to know.

 

[MedicBravo]

@MedicBravo

Greetings,

please sit back for a while and consider your manners.
There is no need at all to be rude to fellow members here, much less a Brother in Christ.

As Hekuran @Hekuran stated, this thread is not about him and his faith nor his desire to bring the gospel to those in need.

What can you tell me about fruit? Is being a friend of sinners a sin in itself? I seem to remember Jesus being slandered for such. Is that your stand, also?

You have been asked a few times to let us know where muslims are instructed to lie and you have not yet given any hint of proof for this.
It is very clear/ you have made yourself very clear about your thoughts about people who follow the muslim faith. That however has little to do with the question.
This is a forum where questions can be asked and answers provided. If you can not show anywhere that permits/instructs muslims to lie, please simply say so. It is that easy.
You are emanating hate and that is quite hypocritical and contradictory.

The question stands.

It is not something to justify a religion that is not Christian. This is a matter of speaking truth... and that ought to be done in love, according to the Bible.
I suggest you owe member Hekuran an apology.

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you let others know that one can read the book the muslims use [in fact, you wrote 'learn' ]



have you done that yourself?
In my reading & researching of that book and other related books they use as 'helpers' , i am in agreement with Hekuran. There are a lot of disagreeable things written in their books but that does not mean we should invent and push untruths to back up anything.

You wrote/quoted


truth.


I presume by "He' you mean Jesus Christ?


watch your manners and consider your ways, please


Bless you ....><>

Manners?
I've not insulted him/her. Rude is subjective and to think Christians are to be "doormats" and "nice" in all things 24/7 is simply absurd. We're not humanly capable of being that way.
Fact: Whoever this person is has shown through responses and neglect to answer a simple question multiple times has answered said question.
Pointing out facts and inferences is not "bad manners" not is it insulting.
The odds of discussing God (not their Satan) and the Bible and all on any level enough to get them to change is VERY low. Better chance of others than them and that is another fact.
I have given a few verses yet he/she "claims" otherwise. Their fruits are shown daily when they go after and harm and kill Christians yet neither of you have brought that to light.
Lying to non-Muslims is considered a virtue in Islam.
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden that which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until the pay the Jizyah (tax) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. - Quran 9:29
In other words, Christians and other non-Muslims in a Muslim country MUST pay a tax OR convert to Islam to avoid paying it. WOW. Such a religion of "peace".
Muslims invaded Christian lands long ago and they are the reason the Crusades had to happen which is the doing of the Catholics by the way.
I saw Muslims lie countless times while deployed and many were caught after the fact.

Sura 3:28 "Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming. (illā an tattaqū minhum tuqāt).

I see more people who are too SCARED to give up their "Muslim friends" when confronted with this truth and that person is no different.
Christianity isn't some doormat, pacifist no matter what religion of the early Christians would've all been killed.
The truth isn't mean to be altered to save "feelings" for anyone. There will only be Christians after Jesus comes back and that is a fact.

 

[MaryB08]

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him

Revelation 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

9The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder, 10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. 11For this reason God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie 12in order that judgment may come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.… 2 Thes 2

I am the way, the truth, and the life. (Jesus Christ) John 14:6
He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in His mouth. (Jesus Christ) 1 Pet 2:22

 

[MaryB08]

Sorry...well, I know that I am still young and inexperienced but I think it is quite wrong to talk about other religions and telling them that what they are doing and thinking is wrong..I think we must let God settle about these, because they still do not know the Gospel, that's the reason why they are not doing thinks like us Christians..

Let's pray for them though, and I know with all our prayers and faith, sooner or later they will also be believers of Christ..


Sorry again for the interruption.

In thier current state, without the love of the truth, and the blood of Jesus they go to hell. There is one truth, and make no mistake about it, what they are doing and thinking is wrong. They are being led astray by evil forces not of God and they need to recognize that in order to be free of the devil's hold on them -- to repent and return to the Lord. However, always heed the warnings of Jesus not to throw your pearls before pigs or give to dogs what is holy.

24And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, 25correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, 26and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will. 2 Tim 2

 

[Bob Carabbio]

1) Jesus is mentioned more times in the Quran than Muhammad is.
2) Jesus is on the same level of respect and reverence as Muhammad.
3) Our God is the same as the Judeo-Christian God. "Allah" is literally arabic for "God".
4) The Quran has never, ever supported the killing of non-combatants (women, children, elderly, unarmed men)

However, the ONLY REAL ISSUE that's important where ISLAM is concerned is that they claim that JESUS DID NOT DIE ON THE CROSS so there's NO SIN OFFERING, and no Cleansing of SIN for Islamic Victims, who will end up in HELL when they die physically. There's NO CLEANSING FROM SIN in Islam, No Savior, and the horrendous LYING CLAIM that there's no need for one.

All the rest is nothing more that "background noise".

 

[lentz]

Islam is one of the many false institutions of religion. Like catholic jw and mormon.