Where do Christians go when they 'die'?

[Dave M]

wedding garment for the "Coronation" at the Dinner table

If Im reading you correctly your saying the wedding feast is during the tribulation??

 

[PloughBoy]

Jesus tells us everything as He is reveal in the scriptures: There is one particular item is completely in the dark for us.. is, That "Scroll" that was place in "The Lamb's" hand. That has the 7 Seals attached to it that had writings on both sides. That only He could open and read the contents that is on the outside and inside of it. But we will know. "Maybe He will reads it, at the "Coronation Dinner" Whatever it is,, I do believe, it is a "shared inheritance", It has to be a letter, hand written by GOD the Father! Oh what a "HALLELUJAH"! Oh the events, that God the Father has inspired for us.

 

[PloughBoy]

If Im reading you correctly your saying the wedding feast is during the tribulation??

yep! "Great Tribulation" The Lord did not have you serve in vain! The saints that comes out of the "Great Tribulation" is a different matter. The NT and OT shows light concerning these matters.

 

[Dave M]

yep! "Great Tribulation" The Lord did not have you serve in vain! The saints that comes out of the "Great Tribulation" is a different matter. The NT and OT shows light concerning these matters.

I have herd that and actually believed it for a while, but what puzzles me about that is that we know for fact we do not get resurrected until Jesus Returns, or some say even at a later time.

Then we also know that Jesus went out of his way to show us that he could eat food and was not a spirit when he was resurrected from the dead.

And for me I believe the marriage supper is literal that we will actually eat real food, so the question becomes if we dont get resurrected with real glorified bodies until sometime after the tribulation, how do we actually eat real food while we are still in spirit form??? if the marriage supper happens during the tribulation.

 

[Dave M]

The saints that comes out of the "Great Tribulation" is a different matter

really it seems to me they are being saved by grace and believing in Jesus, so what makes them different?

especially when we have scripture to say
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[Hekuran]

I say the Rapture manifestation is woven through out the fabric of "The whole Bible" and the NT Reveals it and a lot more that is to come. The problem arise because the Little Foxes that spoils the vines, have slipped between your pages. And your pages, no error of your own, but have become adulterated by those who have led you into such matters of astray. Far as most church go'er, they have no idea of definition of "biblical related words" and a top of the line "Bible encyclopedia'! so in reality they do not give a hoot about a Rapture or a definition of anything about GOD! But believe and die and go to heaven and then look down and look after their love ones. Research has found this true!
I have come to believe, that it is true but hurtful, only a few will be saved and Many will say "Lord, Lord" and He will say with power and authority: "I NEVER, knew you" NEVER! "and those never, looked for HIs return! There will be no kindness, for some, in later events.

The less you know about what is to come, the less excited about the events you are in, the less you grow into the events that is to come, the dullness the expectation is. God is Not a dullness for the Child of God. God is not interested in relieving His child's dullness by the "entertainment" of this "universe" and all that is in it. Many of a Christian's view, of GOD is To small. Their GOD is not small, their view of GOD is. If only they would let the word of God and not the words of man talking about GOD would dwell in them Richly! They would be overwhelm by HIM and the expectation of "The Majestic of HIS Return" He would have to make them leave out the front door of their own house to testify of such events in a dark and decaying world. "Lord, who has believed our report, and whom have the arm of the Lord been revealed."

The Voice has not grown silent. "Be ye rather cold or hot "! If you need the Fire! ask God!

If that's true, show me what you think I might have missed.

 

[Hekuran]

I think we are on the same page this is the scripture that always comes to my mind when I here the of the rapture, it is being caught up in the air to meet Jesus be changed and meet all the other beleivers, then I think return to earth and start the 1000 year rule. BUt it says meet in the air

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.



to me this seems to be the second coming when Christ returns to take over things for the 1000 year rule, those left on earth that are beleivers are going to be caught up in the air and changed, I can only imagine chaged means to receive a glorified body

Yes, think of a welcoming party for a king returning in glory, or for a bridegroom to s wedding feast. As he approaches, the crowds go out to meet him and they make a procession together for a feast and a celebration.

 

[PloughBoy]

Yes, think of a welcoming party for a king returning in glory, or for a bridegroom to s wedding feast. As he approaches, the crowds go out to meet him and they make a procession together for a feast and a celebration.

LOL, you are on the right track!

 

[PloughBoy]

Now add this unto your thought patterns of Your personal Biblical studies, and ponder them as your "Coronation" comes to the end, You have been crown and dressed!

9Then the angel told me to write, “Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.”

10So I fell at his feet to worship him. But he told me, “Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who rely on the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

The Rider on the White Horse
11Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood,c and His name is The Word of God. [the crowns are the crowns you cast at His feet]

14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. 15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter.d He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

 

[PloughBoy]

You might think this is to good to be true, but i tell you, it gets better. for we travel in "glory", for this is our surrounding throughout eternity. To the world "glory" is a word but to us, it is.

 

[PloughBoy]

really it seems to me they are being saved by grace and believing in Jesus, so what makes them different?

especially when we have scripture to say
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

These are those who will come out of the "Great Tribulation":
13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

It means exactly what it says.

 

[Dave M]

It means exactly what it says.

It sure does proving that believers will go through tribulation, we could speculate that those are believers that came to Christ during the tribulation but that would be just that speculation. wouldn't you agree it seems musch more reasonable to speculate that believers will go through tribulation, yet kept from God wrath IMO

 

[B-A-C]

The wedding garment for the "Coronation" at the Dinner table The Wedding feast!

The word "coronation" isn't in the New Testament anywhere in the 4 Bibles I've done a computer search on so far.
So I am wondering if you have scripture for this? It seems a "wedding feast" isn't a coronation dinner. It's a wedding feast.

 

[PloughBoy]

It sure does proving that believers will go through tribulation, we could speculate that those are believers that came to Christ during the tribulation but that would be just that speculation. wouldn't you agree it seems musch more reasonable to speculate that believers will go through tribulation, yet kept from God wrath IMO

Most of the problems i have notice is that most christian and so called instructing christians do not know "Biblical terminology". The reason we have "Biblical terminology" is so that when we speak about the bible we are at least on the same page of understanding words. The following will be only a example:

a. "Great Tribulation" is not the same as "tribulation" they have two completely different understandings, like night and day. Ref. "ISBE" for definition. the definitions most likely will be about 2 to 3 pages long, while listing the verses in which the words are used.

b. "saints", "OT saints", "NT saints", "Rapture saints", "Great Tribulation saints", "Millennium saints", Ref. "ISBE" for definition, the definitions pages will be most likely 4 to 5 pages long or better with verse listing where should be applied with Full Definitions.

c. "throne", "OT throne, NT throne, Heavenly throne, universal throne where earth is GOD's foot stool, New Jerusalem throne. "ISBE" definitions maybe 5 pages long with verse ref.

d. "altar", before the OT altar, OT altar, NT altar, Heavenly altar, spiritual altar, many christian by their use of the word "Altar" they do not know what it means.
a altar is a bloody nasty stinky, detesting place of sacrifice full of bugs and flies and gnats. that is what it represents pertaining to the cost of your salvation.

I could go on and on and on. So in saying these things we have to come to agreement of understanding words when we are relaying biblical thoughts. and
not a definition of a regular plain cheap, make money bible dictionary for profit, that only delivers half truths that keeps us apart, we are to be as one at least in word understand. For our God would have it to be so.

Christianity is World Wide. "International Standard Bible Encyclopedia" "ISBE" is "WW" it is the "STANDARD" [rule] for the bible words and explanation.
Our enemy knows the time is near, and the deception has grown high tech within the fibers of our fingers and very hard to notice and he is trying to make us feel wise and keen but in actuality he is turning us into "Robotico Fools" Thank GOD there are still a few "Old Schools" around that lap water like dogs. He will turn us against one another in thoughts of explanation. But when our word definitions are exact, our debate resembles "iron sharpens iron"!

(Matthew 24:24)
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

That was a sidebar. So use the word "Tribulation" with a "Prefix" if it calls for one in biblical context. in this case the prefix is "Great" Tribulation.

your brother in Christ. for edification only.

 

[PloughBoy]

Most of the problems i have notice is that most christian and so called instructing christians do not know "Biblical terminology". The reason we have "Biblical terminology" is so that when we speak about the bible we are at least on the same page of understanding words. The following will be only a example:

a. "Great Tribulation" is not the same as "tribulation" they have two completely different understandings, like night and day. Ref. "ISBE" for definition. the definitions most likely will be about 2 to 3 pages long, while listing the verses in which the words are used.

b. "saints", "OT saints", "NT saints", "Rapture saints", "Great Tribulation saints", "Millennium saints", Ref. "ISBE" for definition, the definitions pages will be most likely 4 to 5 pages long or better with verse listing where should be applied with Full Definitions.

c. "throne", "OT throne, NT throne, Heavenly throne, universal throne where earth is GOD's foot stool, New Jerusalem throne. "ISBE" definitions maybe 5 pages long with verse ref.

d. "altar", before the OT altar, OT altar, NT altar, Heavenly altar, spiritual altar, many christian by their use of the word "Altar" they do not know what it means.
a altar is a bloody nasty stinky, detesting place of sacrifice full of bugs and flies and gnats. that is what it represents pertaining to the cost of your salvation.

I could go on and on and on. So in saying these things we have to come to agreement of understanding words when we are relaying biblical thoughts. and
not a definition of a regular plain cheap, make money bible dictionary for profit, that only delivers half truths that keeps us apart, we are to be as one at least in word understand. For our God would have it to be so.

Christianity is World Wide. "International Standard Bible Encyclopedia" "ISBE" is "WW" it is the "STANDARD" [rule] for the bible words and explanation.
Our enemy knows the time is near, and the deception has grown high tech within the fibers of our fingers and very hard to notice and he is trying to make us feel wise and keen but in actuality he is turning us into "Robotico Fools" Thank GOD there are still a few "Old Schools" around that lap water like dogs. He will turn us against one another in thoughts of explanation. But when our word definitions are exact, our debate resembles "iron sharpens iron"!

(Matthew 24:24)
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

That was a sidebar. So use the word "Tribulation" with a "Prefix" if it calls for one in biblical context. in this case the prefix is "Great" Tribulation.

your brother in Christ. for edification only.

ps every believer goes through tribulation and "tribulation works patience" in us, in which all also are partakers.

 

[PloughBoy]

The word "coronation" isn't in the New Testament anywhere in the 4 Bibles I've done a computer search on so far.
So I am wondering if you have scripture for this? It seems a "wedding feast" isn't a coronation dinner. It's a wedding feast.

LOL, the word "bible" is not in there either!

 

[PloughBoy]

you know you have me laughing over here in Michigan surrounded by the "Great Lakes", right.

Yes, you my brother in Christ. B-A-C and one day, when you look across from that "coronation table" and look at me, you are going to laugh too!!!

 

[Sue D.]

@Dave M -- Why should believers be going through those 7 years of Tribulation. Born again believers have accepted Jesus Christ -- why should they need to experience the wrath of God. The Jews, on the other hand -- those who have rejected Jesus Christ as the Promised Messiah -- Will be experiencing the wrath of God. Believers are promised that we will have tribulation in this world simply because we Are born again believers. But The Tribulation period is specific. Now there Might be credance to the rapture taking place mid-way through those 7 future years. The world situation is gradually getting worse and worse -- this coming election will tell a great deal.

There will be the 144,000 Jews who will be sealed and go out during those 7 years to evangelize the non-repentant Jews -- and there is a passage in 1 Chronicles I came across early this morning that says that God's chosen people / the Jews / Will come to Him.

 

[Dave M]

As he approaches, the crowds go out to meet him

the bible teaches as he approaches he call us who are left in the air in the clouds to be with him

 

[Dave M]

Why should believers be going through those 7 years of Tribulation

why would we not want to go through it and show our Love and loyality and devotion to God?? Look at all the apostle Paul went through

why should they need to experience the wrath of God

WAIT a Minute I actually
said we will be protected from the wrath of God, that is clear in the bible. Just because we go through the tribulation does not mean we will experience his wrath

But The Tribulation period is specific

specific to what and please show scripture to support it,