Where do Christians go when they 'die'?

[Dave M]

Why should believers be going through those 7 years of Tribulation

Philippians 1:29
For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake,

Acts 5:41
Then they left the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the name.


1 Peter 4:16
Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name.

1 Peter 3:17-18
For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God's will, than for doing evil. For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,

James 1:2
Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds,


it is clear the bible teaches we will suffer Christ and consider it a Joy and a honor !!! yet the pre trib theory takes away that joy by escaping... IMO through are here on earth for a short time to be molded into the image of Christ and God tells us that happens by suffering,

 

[Sue D.]

the bible teaches as he approaches he call us who are left in the air in the clouds to be with him

According to 1 Thess. 4 -- in the instant of time being talked about -- the dead in Christ are taken up 1st. -- no one is going to be 'left in the air' -- maybe it's your phrasiology -- then those of us living in the ground will be taken Up by Him and meeting Him in the air.

The 144,000 believing Jews will be protected during those 7 years as They go evangelizing unsaved Jews. so- unless You're a Jew -- you won't Be here.

We will be protected from the wrath of God Because we won't be here.

The 7 yr tribulation period is Also in Daniel 9: 27 -- the weeks being talked about are 7 yr segments of time.

We Should be showing our love, devotion , loyalty to God right Now. "Now" is the time for salvation. We're in the time of the Gentiles.

 

[Sue D.]

Philippians 1:29
For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake,

Acts 5:41
Then they left the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the name.


1 Peter 4:16
Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name.

1 Peter 3:17-18
For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God's will, than for doing evil. For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,

James 1:2
Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds,


it is clear the bible teaches we will suffer Christ and consider it a Joy and a honor !!! yet the pre trib theory takes away that joy by escaping... IMO through are here on earth for a short time to be molded into the image of Christ and God tells us that happens by suffering,

Those situations are happening Now in various ways and in various countries Christians are presently being martyred.

The pre-trib position takes away Nothing.

There was a guy on another Forum who Wanted to experience as much tribulation as possible. To him, it was like a merit badge he was earning. He Wanted to go through the worse of the worse.

But -- no one knows how bad it will get down here before Jesus Christ Does come for us. We have all kinds of opportunity to show loyalty, love, all those things to God Now.

 

[PloughBoy]

why would we not want to go through it and show our Love and loyality and devotion to God?? Look at all the apostle Paul went through

WAIT a Minute I actually
said we will be protected from the wrath of God, that is clear in the bible. Just because we go through the tribulation does not mean we will experience his wrath

specific to what and please show scripture to support it,

I really do not think you understand what the "great Tribulation" is all about and what takes place. "The Great Tribulation" is not just a word. The wrath of God is being pour out upon the earth in so many fashion that the world has ever known. The "Restrainer" has been removed. You do not live for your faith doing this event, "YOU DIE" for your faith. VIOLENT deaths, peace has been taken out of the world. there is none! but still a "remnant according to grace" will be saved. ALL Restraints are off. We will see what this fallen creature has become through the fall of mankind! We will see the true beast man has become and who they really are!
You are going to know why GOD is going to destroy this animal! The covering is coming off! Are we reading the same BOOK? I know the "scales" have not come off of many of christians eyes since they have "been born from above" but i see many are still "asleep in the light"!

Have christians forgot what the word "BUT" means? are there so many christians do not understand in Biblical context this portion of (John 2).

"23Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, during the feast, many believed on his name, beholding his signs which he did. 24But Jesus did not trust himself unto them, for that he knew all men, 25and because he needed not that any one should bear witness concerning man; for he himself knew what was in man."

[This human is not the same exact creature that God made in garden, this human changed that came from ADAM & EVE!] This man is a "APEX Predator", he will kill everything to 'extinction" not only will he kill the dirt, he will kill the very God who made him! Both of them 'Male & Female". This creature has "Restraints" on "Him & Her". God keeps this joker at BAY not mankind. The Devil got a lot of you still deceived! you better watch those " Laps" you men got your heads laying in! Talking about a weaker vessel, you better get you a "Greek Lexicon"! When he cut this joker loose, The term "Great Tribulation" that the world has never seen before, , humans, storms, lightening, demons, Hurricanes, volcanos, tsunamis, fires, bugs and heat...etc The "great Tribulation" is the wrath of God being poured out, even by Angels of God. "Kumbaya" is going take on a strong meaning doing that time. Because if Christ does not get back a lot of people will not get saved. For God will not have it so. His Angel will go out unto 4 corners of the earth in that event.

The Return of Christ

24“But in those days, after that [great] tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, 25AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26“And then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory. 27“And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth, to the farthest end of heaven.

Now many will think those "Stars" are planets take note: "and they shall shine like the stars in the heavens"
(Daniel 12)
“Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever."

Now all of this is supposed to be in you already, just by reading the book, over and over again and the "Holy Spirit" properly arrange it, in its proper place for this is also part of His Ministry. To remind you what the word has said. get it "The WORD" has said.

I'm tired now.

 

[Brother-Paul]

yep! "Great Tribulation" The Lord did not have you serve in vain! The saints that comes out of the "Great Tribulation" is a different matter. The NT and OT shows light concerning these matters.

Where on earth did you get that from PB?

If that is what you believe, I haven't seen it in scripture, then please explain with scripture.

Shalom

 

[Dave M]

According to 1 Thess. 4 -- in the instant of time being talked about -- the dead in Christ are taken up 1st. -- no one is going to be 'left in the air'

Jesus is bringing with him those that have already died this is what it means when it says the dead in chirst will rise first. IMO

those who are dead get there glorified bodies before those who are left on the earth after tribulation,,"who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep".

"And the dead in Christ will rise first " to me this is pretty clear those that have died will get there glorifed bodies before those left alive after the tribulation

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. ..

 

[Brother-Paul]

Those situations are happening Now in various ways and in various countries Christians are presently being martyred.

The pre-trib position takes away Nothing.

There was a guy on another Forum who Wanted to experience as much tribulation as possible. To him, it was like a merit badge he was earning. He Wanted to go through the worse of the worse.

But -- no one knows how bad it will get down here before Jesus Christ Does come for us. We have all kinds of opportunity to show loyalty, love, all those things to God Now.

Greeting sister

The guy may be genuine, but when the situation arises will he still be as bold? I am sure that I will allow myself to be martyred if in that situation, but I do not think it will be an easy few minutes. Our eyes firmly fixed on Jesus, we know we cannot look away, but the people around shouting and the devil having a last go. Not to mention family members crying and fulling those heart strings.

I am sure there are many brothers and sisters on here that would allow themselves to be martyred, we know the warnings, but how many can boast about it?

Bless you

2 Corinthians 12:1-6 (NKJV)
1 It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord:
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago--whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows--such a one was caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I know such a man--whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows--
4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
5 Of such a one I will boast; yet of myself I will not boast, except in my infirmities.
6 For though I might desire to boast, I will not be a fool; for I will speak the truth. But I refrain, lest anyone should think of me above what he sees me to be or hears from me.

 

[PloughBoy]

I am going to try to explain it for you this way, ok. and this is how some events are picture in Revelation.

All of sudden you appears at my house. and I say: Brother-Paul I want to show you something. Now it is about me showing you something and not you asking me to show you something. Now it is me, who dragged you into the "catalysis' for what ever reason I arrived in doing so. It gives their almost complete story of what they came through and what they endured and what they will be doing. (Revelation 7). Now do not place yourself in this group or paragraph in your mind. These are the "Great Tribulation" saints. Now ponder i will show you the other "snapshot'. of another group photo.

13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

 

[PloughBoy]

There will be a "Great Multitude" that will come out of the "Great Tribulation & the Millennium". Oh how the OT must be read in light of Scripture to understand the "Contemporaries" relationship of the "Biblical text" The Revelation of Jesus is not written in the form of mankind, it is revealed in the text and not in worlds view. but swayed by the "anthropomorphic use of the words of mankind that God can communicate His revealed truth. where others may see and other may not. as if it was written, in invisible ink, and had to be held, to Heavens candles light. Oh the Light of "The Gospel of Jesus Christ" shine brighter and brighter unto the perfect day, "come out, come out . from among them!!! For the world only clouds your view "Child of GOD!"

 

[PloughBoy]

Where on earth did you get that from PB?

If that is what you believe, I haven't seen it in scripture, then please explain with scripture.

Shalom

You are reminding me of what "Festus" said to Paul:

New American Standard 1977
And while Paul was saying this in his defense, Festus said in a loud voice, “Paul, you are out of your mind! Your great learning is driving you mad.”

King James 2000 Bible
And as he thus spoke for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, you are beside yourself; much learning does make you mad.

Sometimes, i do cut loose and bring it in plain english syntax, for many times "translations" lose the flavor of the text and the drama of the presentation of the language of God. Jesus said: I know my Father, you do not not know HIM and I reveals HIM to whom I please.

Berean Study Bible
"But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear the One who, after you have been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear Him!"

and what did God the Father say:

English Standard Version
Peter, He was still speaking when, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.” [ let me paraphrase it a little: "you better listen to what he has to say"

King James Version
God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
(Psalms 7:11).


New American Standard Bible
"Son of man, I have appointed you a watchman to the house of Israel; whenever you hear a word from My mouth, warn them from Me.

If you are a person that do not understands "english syntax" that person better go buy a "english grammar book"!

 

[B-A-C]

Why should believers be going through those 7 years of Tribulation. Born again believers have accepted Jesus Christ -- why should they need to experience the wrath of God.

You must have missed some posts. But first, why ask God why? Just accept Him at His word. Post #69 addresses a lot of this.
Second, even though they will be "in" the tribulation they won't be subject to the plagues of the tribulation, so they won't be facing God's wrath in that sense.
Third, there quite a few verses that says God tests us. Some people will need to go through their hour of testing.
Jesus was tested, Abraham was tested, Peter was tested, and Paul was tested... it's a theme in the Bible.

 

[Trevor]

As none of us have died and returned, we can only speculate, Jesus tells me that he will never leave me or forsake me, Therefore I know that I shall be where he is, that's good enough for me.

 

[Brother-Paul]

You are reminding me of what "Festus" said to Paul:

New American Standard 1977
And while Paul was saying this in his defense, Festus said in a loud voice, “Paul, you are out of your mind! Your great learning is driving you mad.”

King James 2000 Bible
And as he thus spoke for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, you are beside yourself; much learning does make you mad.

Sometimes, i do cut loose and bring it in plain english syntax, for many times "translations" lose the flavor of the text and the drama of the presentation of the language of God. Jesus said: I know my Father, you do not not know HIM and I reveals HIM to whom I please.

Berean Study Bible
"But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear the One who, after you have been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear Him!"

and what did God the Father say:

English Standard Version
Peter, He was still speaking when, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.” [ let me paraphrase it a little: "you better listen to what he has to say"

King James Version
God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
(Psalms 7:11).


New American Standard Bible
"Son of man, I have appointed you a watchman to the house of Israel; whenever you hear a word from My mouth, warn them from Me.

If you are a person that do not understands "english syntax" that person better go buy a "english grammar book"!

Dear brother, sometimes it is not that we say it is the way we say it! Did I say a thing like.... 'Paul, you are out of your mind! Your great learning is driving you mad.' No!

What I said brother, I thought was quite polite, if it wasn't I would apologise. What I said was quite simply....

Where on earth did you get that from PB?

If that is what you believe, I haven't seen it in scripture, then please explain with scripture.

Shalom

 

[B-A-C]

As none of us have died and returned, we can only speculate, Jesus tells me that he will never leave me or forsake me, Therefore I know that I shall be where he is, that's good enough for me.

That particular verse is more about not loving money and God taking care of our material needs. Jesus Himself never specifically said that, it's a quote from Deut 31:6; in the old testament.

Keep in mind, while God didn't forsake them, many of them forsook Him.

Deut 29:25; "Then men will say, 'Because they forsook the covenant of the LORD, the God of their fathers, which He made with them when He brought them out of the land of Egypt.
Deut 32:15; "But Jeshurun grew fat and kicked—You are grown fat, thick, and sleek—Then he forsook God who made him, And scorned the Rock of his salvation.
Jdg 2:12; and they forsook the LORD, the God of their fathers, who had brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods from among the gods of the peoples who were around them, and bowed themselves down to them; thus they provoked the LORD to anger.
Jdg 2:13; So they forsook the LORD and served Baal and the Ashtaroth.
Jdg 10:6; Then the sons of Israel again did evil in the sight of the LORD, served the Baals and the Ashtaroth, the gods of Aram, the gods of Sidon, the gods of Moab, the gods of the sons of Ammon, and the gods of the Philistines; thus they forsook the LORD and did not serve Him.
1Kin 9:9; "And they will say, 'Because they forsook the LORD their God, who brought their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and adopted other gods and worshiped them and served them, therefore the LORD has brought all this adversity on them.'"
2Kin 17:16; They forsook all the commandments of the LORD their God and made for themselves molten images, even two calves, and made an Asherah and worshiped all the host of heaven and served Baal.
2Kin 21:22; So he forsook the LORD, the God of his fathers, and did not walk in the way of the LORD.
2Chr 7:22; "And they will say, 'Because they forsook the LORD, the God of their fathers who brought them from the land of Egypt, and they adopted other gods and worshiped them and served them; therefore He has brought all this adversity on them.'"
2Chr 12:1; When the kingdom of Rehoboam was established and strong, he and all Israel with him forsook the law of the LORD.
Jer 22:9; "Then they will answer, 'Because they forsook the covenant of the LORD their God and bowed down to other gods and served them.'

There was a time...
Isa 54:7; "For a brief moment I forsook you, But with great compassion I will gather you.

Also keep in mind that while God was with the Israelites for 40 years in the wilderness, (Mannah and Quail from heaven, cloud by day, fire by night, clothes didn't wear out, etc...)
Most of them didn't make it to the promised land. Not even Moses.

Heb 3:7; Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says, "TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE,
Heb 3:8; DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS AS WHEN THEY PROVOKED ME, AS IN THE DAY OF TRIAL IN THE WILDERNESS,
Heb 3:9; WHERE YOUR FATHERS TRIED Me BY TESTING Me, AND SAW MY WORKS FOR FORTY YEARS.
Heb 3:10; "THEREFORE I WAS ANGRY WITH THIS GENERATION, AND SAID, 'THEY ALWAYS GO ASTRAY IN THEIR HEART, AND THEY DID NOT KNOW MY WAYS';
Heb 3:11; AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, 'THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.'"
Heb 3:12; Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God.
Heb 3:13; But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called "Today," so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 3:14; For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end,
Heb 3:15; while it is said, "TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS, AS WHEN THEY PROVOKED ME."
Heb 3:16; For who provoked Him when they had heard? Indeed, did not all those who came out of Egypt led by Moses?
Heb 3:17; And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18; And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient?
Heb 3:19; So we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief.
Heb 4:1; Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.
Heb 4:2; For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard.
Heb 4:3; For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST," although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4; For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: "AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS";
Heb 4:5; and again in this passage, "THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST."
Heb 4:6; Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,
Heb 4:7; He again fixes a certain day, "Today," saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, "TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS."

 

[Trevor]

That particular verse is more about not loving money and God taking care of our material needs. Jesus Himself never specifically said that, it's a quote from Deut 31:6; in the old testament.

Keep in mind, while God didn't forsake them, many of them forsook Him.

Deut 29:25; "Then men will say, 'Because they forsook the covenant of the LORD, the God of their fathers, which He made with them when He brought them out of the land of Egypt.
Deut 32:15; "But Jeshurun grew fat and kicked—You are grown fat, thick, and sleek—Then he forsook God who made him, And scorned the Rock of his salvation.
Jdg 2:12; and they forsook the LORD, the God of their fathers, who had brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods from among the gods of the peoples who were around them, and bowed themselves down to them; thus they provoked the LORD to anger.
Jdg 2:13; So they forsook the LORD and served Baal and the Ashtaroth.
Jdg 10:6; Then the sons of Israel again did evil in the sight of the LORD, served the Baals and the Ashtaroth, the gods of Aram, the gods of Sidon, the gods of Moab, the gods of the sons of Ammon, and the gods of the Philistines; thus they forsook the LORD and did not serve Him.
1Kin 9:9; "And they will say, 'Because they forsook the LORD their God, who brought their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and adopted other gods and worshiped them and served them, therefore the LORD has brought all this adversity on them.'"
2Kin 17:16; They forsook all the commandments of the LORD their God and made for themselves molten images, even two calves, and made an Asherah and worshiped all the host of heaven and served Baal.
2Kin 21:22; So he forsook the LORD, the God of his fathers, and did not walk in the way of the LORD.
2Chr 7:22; "And they will say, 'Because they forsook the LORD, the God of their fathers who brought them from the land of Egypt, and they adopted other gods and worshiped them and served them; therefore He has brought all this adversity on them.'"
2Chr 12:1; When the kingdom of Rehoboam was established and strong, he and all Israel with him forsook the law of the LORD.
Jer 22:9; "Then they will answer, 'Because they forsook the covenant of the LORD their God and bowed down to other gods and served them.'

There was a time...
Isa 54:7; "For a brief moment I forsook you, But with great compassion I will gather you.

Also keep in mind that while God was with the Israelites for 40 years in the wilderness, (Mannah and Quail from heaven, cloud by day, fire by night, clothes didn't wear out, etc...)
Most of them didn't make it to the promised land. Not even Moses.

Heb 3:7; Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says, "TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE,
Heb 3:8; DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS AS WHEN THEY PROVOKED ME, AS IN THE DAY OF TRIAL IN THE WILDERNESS,
Heb 3:9; WHERE YOUR FATHERS TRIED Me BY TESTING Me, AND SAW MY WORKS FOR FORTY YEARS.
Heb 3:10; "THEREFORE I WAS ANGRY WITH THIS GENERATION, AND SAID, 'THEY ALWAYS GO ASTRAY IN THEIR HEART, AND THEY DID NOT KNOW MY WAYS';
Heb 3:11; AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, 'THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.'"
Heb 3:12; Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God.
Heb 3:13; But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called "Today," so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 3:14; For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end,
Heb 3:15; while it is said, "TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS, AS WHEN THEY PROVOKED ME."
Heb 3:16; For who provoked Him when they had heard? Indeed, did not all those who came out of Egypt led by Moses?
Heb 3:17; And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18; And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient?
Heb 3:19; So we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief.
Heb 4:1; Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.
Heb 4:2; For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard.
Heb 4:3; For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST," although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4; For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: "AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS";
Heb 4:5; and again in this passage, "THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST."
Heb 4:6; Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,
Heb 4:7; He again fixes a certain day, "Today," saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, "TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS."

B.A.C. I was talking about myself and my experience, you're talking about people who were disobedient, why can't you accept that there are people who delight in the Lord and just want to please him.

 

[Brother-Paul]

B.A.C. I was talking about myself and my experience, you're talking about people who were disobedient, why can't you accept that there are people who delight in the Lord and just want to please him.

Interesting Trevor,

I have just replied to you in another thread, how easy it is for us all to read things and think a person meant this or that, but actually they meant nothing like it at all.

Bless you brother

 

[Sue D.]

@ B-A-C -- I was just reading Post #69. Matt 24 was brought up. Lots of material in that chapter -- some of it isn't especially clear.

 

[PloughBoy]

Dear brother, sometimes it is not that we say it is the way we say it! Did I say a thing like.... 'Paul, you are out of your mind! Your great learning is driving you mad.' No!

What I said brother, I thought was quite polite, if it wasn't I would apologise. What I said was quite simply....

No you didn't, but I said: you reminded Me. I did not think it up. But it came to my mind. It was not a negative thought but humorous! For it is a humorous related text concerning "Festus". out cry.

 

[Trevor]

That particular verse is more about not loving money and God taking care of our material needs. Jesus Himself never specifically said that, it's a quote from Deut 31:6; in the old testament.

Hi B.A.C. Are you saying that Jesus will never leave or forsake us, only in respect to our wealth, and that it will be debateable that he will be with us with respect to the rest of our lives?

 

[B-A-C]

@ B-A-C -- I was just reading Post #69. Matt 24 was brought up. Lots of material in that chapter -- some of it isn't especially clear.

which parts?