Where Do We Go When We Die?

[Brother-Paul]

Agreed, but that wasn't the question being asked

In this life it is easy to get excited about what God has planned for us, it is easy to get 'carried away'.

When we go to Heaven we will not be carried we will be lifted.

When Jesus returns we will not be 'carried or lifted', we will be resurrected into New bodies.

It is so exciting that it is possible some may prefer to be in Heaven right now rather than to continue to suffer. The final comment was added to create a balance between these wonderful promises, the will to be in Paradise, the will to go to Heaven, the will to be without pain and suffering, the will to be with our Lord forever. We will receive all these promises, but in God's time, until then we have jobs to do for Him.

I do hope this helps clarify why I included the comment in question.

Bless you.

 

[Chopper]

But you already think you know, so my thinking can't change your knowing

Unless you stop knowing.

These are my findings and opinion. I'm interested in your findings and opinion on the subject. I'll stop knowing when I observe Truth. Got any?

 

[Chopper]

Hello Brother Chopper!!!!

Great thread.

I can agree with your assessment. Heaven currently contains Paradise so it existed prior to our mansions...

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Luke 23:43

and the mansions that our Lord built starting to build after His Ascension

In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:2

would be in New Jerusalem.

And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Revelation 21:9-10

Confirming verses including the ones above, that Paradise is in New Jerusalem which is in Heaven.

[Rev 2:7 KJV] 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

[Rev 22:2, 14 KJV] 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations. ... 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

So where will be after we die?

In the flesh? Worm food.

In the spirit?

[Col 2:5 KJV] 5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

[2Co 5:6, 8-9 KJV] 6 Therefore [we are] always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: ... 8 We are confident, [I say], and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

With the Lord!

I am curious how you will tie it all together!

YBIC
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This has it's completion in....
Revelation 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.
21:4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away."
21:5 And he who was seated on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new." Also he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."
21:6 And he said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment.
21:7 The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son.
21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."
21:9 Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, "Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb."
21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God,
21:11 having the glory of God, its radiance like a most rare jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal.
21:12 It had a great, high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and on the gates the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were inscribed—
21:13 on the east three gates, on the north three gates, on the south three gates, and on the west three gates.
21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
21:15 And the one who spoke with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city and its gates and walls.
21:16 The city lies foursquare, its length the same as its width. And he measured the city with his rod, 12,000 stadia. Its length and width and height are equal.
21:17 He also measured its wall, 144 cubits by human measurement, which is also an angel's measurement.
21:18 The wall was built of jasper, while the city was pure gold, like clear glass.
21:19 The foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with every kind of jewel. The first was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald,
21:20 the fifth onyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelfth amethyst.
21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls, each of the gates made of a single pearl, and the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass.
21:22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.
21:23 And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb.
21:24 By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it,
21:25 and its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there.
21:26 They will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations.
21:27 But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.

The New Jerusalem, with the Father's house, with all the Saints in it comes to earth where we'll serve and worship Jehovah Elohim forever.

 

[Ellie]

Dear sister, to many people think, and are taught, that when you go to Heaven you will be a spirit and will be sat on a cloud strumming a harp. I have spoken with people who think this, one minister said, if that is what Heaven is like, I don't want to go, it must be really boring. How sad that was to hear.

Forget it Ellie, Heaven will be a beautiful place, no sin, no evil, we will be with Jesus, God with us. Just as He walked in the garden with Adam and Eve.

Don't think for a minute earth will be over crowded, God has planned every last detail, He knows who will be there, He knows how many will be there. All we have to do is make sure we know we will be there. That our name will be in the Lambs Book of Life.

Please read my previous post regarding being in the spirit and when we will receive our new resurrected bodies.

Please read all the posts in the thread there is a lot of good information from some wonderful brothers and sisters in Christ. God Bless you Ellie, Jesus loves you we do too.

Thank you Brother Paul

I have been keeping up with this thread as best as I can. There is a lot of information, a lot to look at and take in. I guess I was looking forward to NOT having a body...if that makes any sense. In my mind I imagine not sitting on a cloud and strummin' a harp. BORING! I imagine just BEING in God's presence...in awe, finally home and at His feet worshipping..... getting a hug

I cannot imagine what having a body and being in a city would be like. Doesn't mean it won't happen...I'm learning there is a lot that I might not see as imaginable, but God does and has made it so. That is all I need. To know HE knows

Ty

 

[B-A-C]

The New Jerusalem, with the Father's house, with all the Saints in it comes to earth where we'll serve and worship Jehovah Elohim forever.

I agree with this... but, do you think this will happen before or after the millennial reign of Christ
for 1,000 years?

Rev 20:4; Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5; The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6; Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

 

[Christ4Ever]

It is so exciting that it is possible some may prefer to be in Heaven right now rather than to continue to suffer. The final comment was added to create a balance between these wonderful promises, the will to be in Paradise, the will to go to Heaven, the will to be without pain and suffering, the will to be with our Lord forever. We will receive all these promises, but in God's time, until then we have jobs to do for Him.

I do hope this helps clarify why I included the comment in question.

I guess I was too focused on the question. For me what you stated goes without saying :thumbsup:

Much work to do brother and with that work. Everything else that goes with it. Tears, pain, suffering, persecution etc. The very things our Lord experienced. I also do not exclude the positives: Being the vessel by which another comes to the Lord, praying for those in need, comforting those in need, laughing, receiving and giving blessings, giving and receiving the love of the Lord etc.

To me I'd like to believe the cup is never half empty or half full, but overflowing with His Grace!

Thanks for the perspective.
Love you brother.
YBIC
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[Brother-Paul]

Thank you Brother Paul

I have been keeping up with this thread as best as I can. There is a lot of information, a lot to look at and take in. I guess I was looking forward to NOT having a body...if that makes any sense. In my mind I imagine not sitting on a cloud and strummin' a harp. BORING! I imagine just BEING in God's presence...in awe, finally home and at His feet worshipping..... getting a hug

I cannot imagine what having a body and being in a city would be like. Doesn't mean it won't happen...I'm learning there is a lot that I might not see as imaginable, but God does and has made it so. That is all I need. To know HE knows

Ty

Hello Ellie, take your time sister, take your time. We are all on a journey, a wonderful one if I may say, but on that journey we all progress slowly from milk to meat with a lot in between. When we hear something we have not heard before, it challenges our thoughts, we must in these times, take time to think, take time read and study God's Word and to pray the Lord will reveal His Truth to us.

None of us if we are honest can say we truly know what it will be like in the New Jerusalem, we know what we know but only in part. We can imagine being resurrected as we have examples of Jesus when he was resurrected. Initially he said don't touch me he wasn't ready, wasn't restored fully. But then he met disciples and ate breakfast with them, he wasn't a ghost, he didn't float just off the ground he was the same Jesus, except now he resurrected as he said he would be. People couldn't see through him, he wasn't translucent, he ate fish they didn't see it go into his body except through his mouth. He was the resurrected Jesus. You will be the resurrected Ellie. PTL.

There are a lot of things we won't know until we are in Heaven, an example would be, how old will we be? If we leave this earth at 5, 25, 55 or 95 are in their prime (or should be). Jesus was crucified around this age also.

The way I have come to accept this situation is, it doesn't matter how old I look, I know, because scripture tells me, I will receive a new body, it will be perfect because God created me, God resurrected me. I also believe we will be so in awe that nothing else will really matter, we will be with our Lord forever.

Here is another item for you to think and pray about Ellie, in Heaven, in the New Jerusalem, there will be no night and no day, God is Light, we will be in His Light, 24 hours a day.


Revelation 21:23 (KJV)
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Revelation 22:5 (KJV)
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

I guess I was looking forward to NOT having a body...if that makes any sense.

What ever we experience and suffer on earth Ellie we will not suffer in Heaven. Your resurrected body in Heaven will be you, but your resurrected body will not be like your earthly body. By that what I mean is that we are currently under sin and the curse, there will be no sin and no curse after Jesus returns. There will be suffering on earth, there will be no suffering in Heaven. There will be no more crying, no more weeping, no more pain, no more suffering, the old order will have gone. We will be made new. Keep your eyes on Jesus, keep God's promise in your heart, Heaven will be truly wonderful.

We thank you Lord for revealing these things to us, we thank you for giving us a glimpse of Heaven, we thank you Lord that even though we cannot comprehend what Heaven will be truly like, we are blessed, truly blessed, by what you have revealed to us in your Word. Thank you Father, thank you Jesus, thank you Holy Spirit, in Jesus Name, Amen.

Bless you sister, Jesus loves you, we do too.

 

[Brother-Paul]

If I may:

• Why would we want, or need, a resurrected body? Good question, primarily because God said we would get one just like Jesus! Think of the possibilities in a perfect realm where nothing is impossible! John 20:26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!".....how is this possible?.... he just appeared through a locked door?...later scriptures say they touched him, ate and drank with them....How? It is a glorious thing, the resurrected body, apparently transcends the spiritual and physical world! What does this mean to us?....other than this incident, the Bible doesn't give a lot of information about having a resurrected body but, God said we would have one just like Jesus and share all of his inheritance...the possibilities seem boundless!
• If God is Spirit, wouldn't we just remain Spirit as well (formed in His image)? We all know that through God all things are possible. Yes spirit but, as promised, spirit combined with a resurrected, spiritual body suitable for existence in God's spiritual realm!....wow, now that's heaven!

Thank you brother RJ

The resurrected body is/will be marvellous. But for something to be resurrected it has to fall!

Is, referring to Jesus after the resurrection; will be, referring to a born again believers body when Jesus returns and the New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven.

But for something to be resurrected it has to fall! This is what happened in the Garden of Eden when Adam and Eve ate from the tree they were forbidden to eat from. They had sinned, sin separated them from God, hence the Fall.

I have mentioned on here and elsewhere of what is sometimes classed as an 'Intermediate Heaven', whenever mentioned it always a response, hang on Brother Paul, where has that come from. As we are talking about Heaven, I will slip in the explanation to this here if I may. Thank you Brother Chopper for allowing this.

Firstly, when most people talk about Heaven, they are referring to where people go when they die, as mentioned previously, go to any funeral/crematorium service and you would think 99% of people go to Heaven when they die. Sadly whilst a talk takes place of a 'celebration of the life' of the diseased, often a person who has never opened a Bible, scripture verses are also said that 'My Father's house has many rooms, or mansions' and all those listening think they applies to them also. The deceiver of souls has done a remarkable job!

So what is Heaven, where does the term 'intermediate Heaven' come from, can we find it in scripture? Not directly, but indirectly yes it is a case of looking at the big picture.

God created the Heavens and the earth, He created Adam and Eve and walked in the garden with them. This was Heaven, this was paradise.

But, they sinned and a curse was placed on the earth, SIN separated mankind from God! This was not what God planned, this was not Heaven but, God made way for those He called to go to Heaven. First to the Jews and then to Gentiles through His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. A life line had been made in a sinful world, but at the cost, of Jesus' life, for our sins, that those who come to the Father through Him and are born again will be saved and will go to Heaven.

But, Jesus will return, the devil will be defeated, the New Jerusalem will come down from Heaven, there will be no more sin. Heaven on earth will be restored as it was with Adam and Eve.

So in this context we have three stages

- HEAVEN (Adam and Eve and God on earth prior to the Fall) - NO SIN

- Now. An Intermediate Heaven (Still Heaven but not as God planned) where born again believes go when they die. Mankind separated from God due to SIN

- HEAVEN reclaimed (when Jesus Returns and defeats the devil and we are with Him forever) - NO SIN

There is more to Heaven than this, the aim of this post is to explain the term previously mentioned 'intermediate Heaven', one I have also heard called a temporary Heaven, but I cannot agree with it being a temporary Heaven. Heaven is Heaven, it is with God, it is without Sin, but I feel there are these three clear stages confirmed from scripture.

 

[RJ]

It is amazing how many Brother's and Sisters have such varied ideas of what heaven is, I certainly do.....who of us know 100% accurately but, we all can say this for sure: Jesus is Lord and it is all of him and none of us.

But for something to be resurrected it has to fall!

But for something to be resurrected it has to fall! This is what happened in the Garden of Eden when Adam and Eve ate from the tree they were forbidden to eat from. They had sinned, sin separated them from God, hence the Fall.

Not sure as I quite understand this.When we die or, possibly Raptured, we will most definitely be spirit, nothing physical will remain, right? It is only logical to me that once there in the spirit realm, God's realm, there is no time and space as we know it. The closet thing I see in scripture about time is: 1) 2 Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. (2) Jesus said he is the Alpha and the Omega...God says we will gain all of his inheritance, so, in the spirit world with no time / space limits, we will also be the beginning and the end at the same time. And, (3) we are already in heaven: Ephesians 2:8 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus. So, for me, spiritually, we are already in heaven and when we physically die, the spiritual journey will be complete.....so where is the "fall"?

Is, referring to Jesus after the resurrection; will be, referring to a born again believers body when Jesus returns and the New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven.

Jesus is, was and will always be. I don't disagree it will happen but, I am not sure about the the "physical" Jerusalem coming down as much as I am convinced that a New Earth and New Heaven is coming...possibly suitable for our new resurrected, heavenly bodies!

So what is Heaven, where does the term 'intermediate Heaven' come from, can we find it in scripture? Not directly, but indirectly yes it is a case of looking at the big picture.

Don't disagree but. not sure about an "intermediate" Heaven. I know Paul talks about a third heaven, with the connotation that there is a first and second as well. I know this, I want to be anywhere in heaven and that beats the "other" place!

God created the Heavens and the earth, He created Adam and Eve and walked in the garden with them. This was Heaven, this was paradise.

Don't know, maybe God will establish a new Eden on Earth. Maybe that is why we have the resurrected body , just like Jesus......he appeared through closed doors, ate and drank with the Apostles....all in his resurrected body!

But, Jesus will return, the devil will be defeated, the New Jerusalem will come down from Heaven, there will be no more sin. Heaven on earth will be restored as it was with Adam and Eve.

Sure!

 

[KingJ]

Honestly/ humbly asking :
Why would we want, or need, a resurrected body? If God is Spirit, wouldn't we just remain Spirit as well (formed in His image)? Just trying to picture heaven on earth with way more overcrowding than what we have today, if that makes sense.
GBU Brother Paul

The type of interaction a resurrected body is capable of pleases God. It is like asking 'why will we eat food in heaven'? Well, because food is nice. Eating the air is not. It is just the way it is.

 

[Ellie]

The type of interaction a resurrected body is capable of pleases God. It is like asking 'why will we eat food in heaven'? Well, because food is nice. Eating the air is not. It is just the way it is.

Not that it is an important thing.... but I don't see anywhere that it speaks of eating food in heaven. Yes, Jesus eati with His resurrected body in Luke 24:42-43 so it would be possible.

I am thankful we don't eat air It is just the way it is....... good point.
TY

 

[Brother-Paul]

Greetings PJ

Not sure as I quite understand this. When we die or, possibly Raptured, we will most definitely be spirit, nothing physical will remain, right? It is only logical to me that once there in the spirit realm, God's realm, there is no time and space as we know it. The closet thing I see in scripture about time is: 1) 2 Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. (2) Jesus said he is the Alpha and the Omega...God says we will gain all of his inheritance, so, in the spirit world with no time / space limits, we will also be the beginning and the end at the same time. And, (3) we are already in heaven: Ephesians 2:8 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus. So, for me, spiritually, we are already in heaven and when we physically die, the spiritual journey will be complete.....so where is the "fall"?

I agree RJ, when we die, as born again believers, we go to Heaven, we will be in Paradise, we will be spirits at this point, our earthly body that was made from the dust of the earth returns back to the dust of the earth. We remain spirits until we receive our resurrected bodies on the new earth, resurrected earth.

Taking your item 3 above and the example on my previous post...

So in this context we have three stages

- HEAVEN (Adam and Eve and God on earth prior to the Fall) - NO SIN

- Now. An Intermediate Heaven (Still Heaven but not as God planned) where born again believes go when they die. Mankind separated from God due to SIN

- HEAVEN reclaimed (when Jesus Returns and defeats the devil and we are with Him forever) - NO SIN

I then said, There is more to Heaven than this but didn't continue.

The middle period above NOW, I called for example the 'Intermediate Heaven', though I did clarify my statement that, Heaven is Heaven and this is just trying to define the difference between the three periods from what is stated in The Word.

The difference is that Heaven was God and man on earth, sin free, Heaven will be God and man reunited, but at present, now, the intermediate period, Sin separates mankind from God.

But those who are born again, who have received the Holy Spirit in their hearts, have already received a piece of Heaven, it happens when the Spirit enters our hearts here on earth in this intermediate period as I called it.

There are examples in scripture to confirm this but lets take the Lord's Prayer, the believers Prayer, the disciples creed. Thine Kingdom come, Thine will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven.

In this wonderful prayer, Jesus starts by sharing the Father, He doesn't say My Father, He says Our Father, because as believers we are adopted into His family. Everything Jesus did pointed to the Father in Heaven, His Father, Our Father. He then points us to where the Father is, in Heaven, and that His Name should be Hallowed. This gives us a glimpse of Heaven, then the prayer changes bringing Heaven down to earth to us as we pray, as we ask, Thine Kingdom Come, Thine will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. What is it like in Heaven? Holy, peaceful, glorious, full of light, full of grace and truth. Whilst on earth, once we accept Jesus into our hearts, He lives in us, we already experience a piece of Heaven, it is already started here on earth.

Ephesians 2:8

And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus. So, for me, spiritually, we are already in heaven and when we physically die, the spiritual journey will be complete.....so where is the "fall"?

As I understand it brother, Spiritually Heaven has already come down to us. When we die as born again believers we remain spirits until Jesus returns and the devil is defeated and we receive our new resurrected bodies.

The Fall brother was long ago in the Garden of Eden, when sin entered the world we live and the curse was put on all the earth.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Not that it is an important thing.... but I don't see anywhere that it speaks of eating food in heaven. Yes, Jesus eati with His resurrected body in Luke 24:42-43 so it would be possible.

I am thankful we don't eat air It is just the way it is....... good point.
TY

Hello Ellie, here is where it says they eat food in Heaven.

John first describes the river of life, he then mentions a striking feature...

Revelation 22:2 (KJV)
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Revelation 22:2 (NIV2011)
2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

The tree of life is mentioned 3 times in Genesis 2, in Eden, and again 4 times in Revelation, 3 of those are in the final chapter.

These seem to refer to Eden's literal tree of life. We are told the tree of life is presently in Paradise, which is in Heaven.

Revelation 2:7 (KJV)
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

The New Jerusalem itself, also in the Present Heaven, will be brought down, tree of life and all, and placed on the New Earth...

Revelation 21:2 (KJV)
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Just as the tree of life was apparently located from Eden to the present Heaven, it will be relocated again down to the New Earth.

In Eden, the tree appears to have been a source of ongoing physical life. The presence of the tree of life suggests a supernatural provision of life as Adam and Eve ate the fruit their creator provided for them.

Adam and Eve were created and designed to live forever, but to do so they likely had to eat from the tree of life. But, once they sinned, they were banished from the Garden, separated from the tree, and subject to physical death, just as they had experienced spiritual death.

Since the fall in Eden, death has reigned throughout history, but on the New Earth, our access to the tree of life is restored.

Notice - there is no mention of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The redeemed have already known sin and its devastation, they will neither desire it or need it anymore.

In the New Earth, we will freely eat of the same tree that nourished Adam and Eve...

 

[Brother-Paul]

Looking back at my notes and taking the position we are at present, a taste of our future in Heaven we will go to I felt I should add a little more to my last message...

The tree will produce not 1 crop but 12.

The newness and freshness of Heaven will provide a monthly yield of fruit. The fruit is not merely to be admired but is also to eat.

The description of the tree of life in Revelation 22 mirrors precisely what is prophesied in the Old Testament...

Ezekiel 47:12 (KJV)
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

Will there be one tree of life or more?

Revelation 22:2 (NIV2011)
2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

John tells us that...

Revelation 22:2 (KJV)
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

For the 3rd time in Revelation 21-22 the inhabitants of the New Earth are referred to as nations. Nations will not be eliminated but will be healed.

But since we will not experience pain, suffering or disease in Heaven, what is the point of healing?

Why will we need to eat in Heaven if we have resurrected bodies? Jesus had a resurrected body and He ate with the disciples so why not?

Perhaps the tree of life needs constantly sustaining?

Perhaps our resurrected bodies, that will live forever, will need to be constantly sustained?

 

[Chopper]

I agree with this... but, do you think this will happen before or after the millennial reign of Christ
for 1,000 years?

Rev 20:4; Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5; The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6; Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Thank you for the question. If you study Revelation 21, you'll see that history on this earth has ended. The thousand year reign of Jesus the Son of God is before this New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven.

 

[RJ]

The Fall brother was long ago in the Garden of Eden, when sin entered the world we live and the curse was put on all the earth.

Yes, I would understand that "fall", I mistook you saying there was another?...sorry!

 

[Brother-Paul]

Yes, I would understand that "fall", I mistook you saying there was another?...sorry!

We will not 'fall' out brother.

Bless you

 

[RJ]

We will not 'fall' out brother.

Well, yes, not sure where we would fall too anyway with Christ in us!

 

[KingJ]

Not that it is an important thing.... but I don't see anywhere that it speaks of eating food in heaven. Yes, Jesus eati with His resurrected body in Luke 24:42-43 so it would be possible.

I am thankful we don't eat air It is just the way it is....... good point.
TY

There will be a great banquet in heaven.

Matt 26:29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Luke 14:15 Blessed is the man who will eat at the feast in the kingdom of God
Rev 16:9 Then the angel said to me, "Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!" And he added, "These are the true words of God.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Don't disagree but. not sure about an "intermediate" Heaven. I know Paul talks about a third heaven, with the connotation that there is a first and second as well. I know this, I want to be anywhere in heaven and that beats the "other" place!

Although I wasn't referring to the first, second, third Heaven, which as since been clarified, here I felt maybe it best to confirm the meaning of the three heavens mentioned in scripture.

At the time of ancient Israel they did not have as complete an understanding of the universe as we do today. So they wrote in terms with which they were familiar. The Jews spoke of three heavens. The first heaven consisted of the earth atmosphere where the clouds and birds were. The second heaven was where the sun, stars, and moon was. The third heaven was the dwelling place of God. When Paul said that he was caught up to the third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2), he was referring to the very dwelling place of God.

As a note, the Mormons erringly teach that the three heavens consist of telestial, terrestrial, and celestial. They divide them into compartments dwelt by people after they die.

The First Heaven: Earth Atmosphere

• Deut. 11:17, "Then the LORD's anger will burn against you, and he will shut the heavens so that it will not rain and the ground will yield no produce..."
• Deut. 28:12, "The LORD will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands."
• Judges 5:4, "O LORD, when you went out from Seir, when you marched from the land of Edom, the earth shook, the heavens poured, the clouds poured down water."
• Acts 14:17, "Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons... "

The Second Heaven: Outer Space

• Psalm 19:4, 6, "In the heavens he has pitched a tent for the sun ... It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other..."
• Jeremiah 8:2, "They will be exposed to the sun and the moon and all the stars of the heavens which they have loved and served..."
• Isaiah 13:10, "The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light."

The Third Heaven: God's Dwelling Place

• 1 Kings 8:30, "(phrase repeated numerous times in following verses), then hear from heaven, your dwelling place..."
• Psalm 2:4, "The One enthroned in heaven laughs; The LORD scoffs at them."
• Matthew 5:16, "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven."

The highest heaven, the third heaven is indicated by the reference to the Throne of God being the highest heaven:

• 1 Kings 8:27, "But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you."
• Deut. 10:14, "To the LORD your God belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, the earth and everything in it."

A “third heaven” is mentioned in 2 Cor 12:1-4, Paul also called it “Paradise” in verse 4. The word is from the Greek word for park or garden—not just any park or garden, but a magnificent one. It’s the same word used in the standard Greek translation of the Old Testament, the Septuagint, to mean the Garden of Eden.

From memory I have also read it 'as being said' that there are 7 heavens in the Bible? I do not know of anything in scripture to back this up, I understand this to be Greek mythology, ancient understanding back to the Babylonian time.