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Why does God send people to hell?

You cannot just say it. Free will needs to be proven.



No, it is your belief. You believe and teach that if someone does not accept Jesus as Lord they will literally die.

I really hope and pray you grasp how you will not reach anyone on this planet with a message like that.

I want you to think of a court that is passing judgment on a petty shoplifter. What person on this planet would agree with burning the shoplifter at a stake? Annihilationism comes completely and utterly unstuck when it comes to the punishment matching the crime.

Paul rebukes Christians in 1 Cor 6:1-9 who cannot judge matters better than the unsaved. Now we teach as fact that God fails harder than the unsaved because we have cherry picked some scriptures that suggest it. See where I am going. The foundation of your belief is grossly illogical.



We actually going a little off topic here.

Yes, God knows the thoughts of a believer, even in advance. By accepting Jesus we completely give our lives to Him. But, in order for true free will to exist, He cannot know in advance all the decisions and thoughts of the unbelievers. There is no way for true free will to exist if God does not limit His omniscience.

Now, something that is part and parcel of free will is having the ability to live out your life with the consequences of your choices. If you do not have that, then you do not have free will.

TeaJching that a shoplifter who refuses to stop shoplifting and accept Jesus as Lord will be mercilessly thrown into a fire and annihilated is most certainly not evidence of fr'ee will. Please try deal with this point directly and not dance around it.
'For the wages of sin is death;
but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord.'

(Rom 6:23)

Hello KingJ,

You have twisted what I have said in previous posts, and ascribed to me beliefs that I do not own.
So I will not continue to debate this issue with you.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
'For the wages of sin is death;
but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord.'

(Rom 6:23)

Hello KingJ,

You have twisted what I have said in previous posts, and ascribed to me beliefs that I do not own.
So I will not continue to debate this issue with you.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

I asked you to explain how Rom 6:23 used in isolation to the rest of scripture and changing the word 'death' to annihilation is evidence of a good God and true free will. You have not done that. You believe one thing but teach another and then expect readers or the lost to magically assimilate the two.

Summary of your posts = ''God is good, free will is real......oh and by the way God our Creator of all, even our thoughts that we will one day think....knows.... all of them and will burn alive those who reject Him....even those unrepentant of the sin of stealing candy from the candy store''

Nice chat.
 
Agreed.



Would you mind just better clarifying your position. Not sure what you are trying to say.

Sometimes in our mind the points we type are clear. But to properly communicate that to another is not always easy ;).
Agreed.



Would you mind just better clarifying your position. Not sure what you are trying to say.

Sometimes in our mind the points we type are clear. But to properly communicate that to another is not always easy ;).

Venial sounds like suffering after one is dead some call Limbo for younger sinners' babies and Purgatory for the more mature sinner. The doctrine of wondering


Annihilationism is the belief that the final fate of those who are not saved is literal and final death and destruction as if never born the first time

It runs counter to the mainstream traditional Christian understanding of hell is eternal never-ending suffering as separation from God.

Hell is the temporal suffering we experience daily in these body of death that are under the letter of the law. (death)Thou shall not, or you are dead never to rise to new born again life.

The letter of the law death along with its suffering "hell" will be cast into the final judgment. The death of death.

In the new order the letter will not reappear or ever be remembered for ever and ever

Again, the death of death.
 
Venial sounds like suffering after one is dead some call Limbo for younger sinners' babies and Purgatory for the more mature sinner. The doctrine of wondering


Annihilationism is the belief that the final fate of those who are not saved is literal and final death and destruction as if never born the first time

It runs counter to the mainstream traditional Christian understanding of hell is eternal never-ending suffering as separation from God.

Hell is the temporal suffering we experience daily in these body of death that are under the letter of the law. (death)Thou shall not, or you are dead never to rise to new born again life.

The letter of the law death along with its suffering "hell" will be cast into the final judgment. The death of death.

In the new order the letter will not reappear or ever be remembered for ever and ever

Again, the death of death.

A venial sin is simply a small sin. A sin like shoplifting. A sin that nobody on this planet with a working brain will ordain a death penalty for.

Do you agree with an annihilationism?
 
A venial sin is simply a small sin. A sin like shoplifting. A sin that nobody on this planet with a working brain will ordain a death penalty for.

Do you agree with an annihilationism?

Hi thanks for the reply I would offer. .

Annihilationism Yes as if never born the first time.

I would think classifying sin into two separate distinct doctrines it would take away the sting of sin “death” and not the sting of suffering "more suffering".

Not more suffering but dead as if never born the first time. Not limbo (Venial) or purgatory (Mortal) the doctrine of wondering, suffering wondering never coming to faith the labor of Christ's love (believing the unseen eternal things of Christ) as it is written (sola scriptura)).

Not as if when one died (last breath of oxygen) they continue to suffer, wonder, suffer. . . .etc

That kind of ideology of a Queen mother of heaven began in the Old Testament. (Jeremiah 44) passed on to the Pharisees with Sadducees. Signs and wonder seekers. The pagan foundation " Out of sight out of mind " God calls fools. No invisable God in there thinking

The unbelieving Jewish women demanding equal rights with God who is not a man.

They demanded a Queen mother with full permission from the unbelieving husbands. They denied sola scriptura the written final authority of Christ and did whatsoever their own mind an oral tradition I heard it through the grape vine..

They must desire a Queen

Jeremiah 44:15-17 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, (sola scriptura) we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

They today that named this Queen mother calling her Mary, named her after our blessed sister in the Lord, Mary the mother of the Son of man Jesus,

They teach as doctrine that she alone received the fullness of Grace the whole cost of salvation while the rest of the planet received a unknown unknowable amount of Grace. Deceiving some that she is the mother of all Grace.

You could say like Roman and Greek mythology Rhea the queen mother of all gods. . . simply change the name to Mary

There must be oral traditions of dying mankind as long as they do not do despite to the fulness of grace the full cost of salvation. Only false apostles', false teachers do teach God is a woman an adult female.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
 
You cannot just say it. Free will needs to be proven.
Every time you post proves free will. (Unless the devil makes you do it.)

No, it is your belief.
What is your pathology that so drives you to tell other people what they believe?

He either is the Creator of all or He isn't. If He is, which scripture is crystal clear He is, ...
I just knew you were a closet Calvinist.

by allowing evil, something He utterly hates, to take place.
So now you have GOD as an accomplice to evil.

What a rout.
 
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