Why doesn't God heal everyone?

[Quantrill]

@Quantrill you do understand the difference between being a slave to sin and being set free from sin dont you? you do realize when God gives us a new heart we no longer practice sin as a life style dont you?

yes we are still sinners by nature, and yes we may stumble in sin, yet there is a distinct difference between a born again person and the person he used to be

And why do you ask me these questions?

Quantrill

 

[Dovegiven]

We who are Christians and sinners do what we are supposed to do with it. Understand it in light of what has been said. And what has been said? (1 John 1:8-10) "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

John in his first epistle is writing against false teachings that have arisen. (1 John 2:18-19) Thus he is drawing stark lines to divide the people of God from these who are following a false way. His purpose is to show that to enjoy fellowship with God and His people one must be in fellowship with Jesus Christ. (1 John 1:3-4) Sin is contrary to God, so of course, John writes that we as believers sin not. (2:1) But then adds, 'if any man sin, we have an Advocate'. Thus the believer in Christ will always have this constant warfare going on here. Walking, and then sinning, and coming to Christ our Advocate, and then walking again.

Paul recognized this terrible condition in himself as a believer in Christ. He finally came to the correct conclusion of the matter. (Rom. 7:15-20) "Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me." (Rom. 7:20) "Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me."

Paul didn't do away with sin in his life as you are trying to do by saying it doesn't exist. He owned it. But he recognized that in Christ, he is not the sinner. (Rom. 7:24-25)

Quantrill

Paul nailed that struggle of sinners, well documented in Rom 6-7. But, he described the magnificent solution in Rom 8. Romans 8 pushes aside the negatives of Romans 7, but when readers stop with 7 because they identify with that, they are deceived into remaining a slave to sin because many preachers and teachers are uncomfortable with chapter 8. Why? If all the sinners slaves to sin heard that sermon completed there might not be anyone left to preach to. Statistically half of them are adulterers and adulteresses, passing wives and husbands around like a dating game. Some are sexual perverts sitting on the front row, men holding hands and twirling each other's hair. Yep, sinners they are, and will not be on their way to Heaven. I hope you will eventually stop letting your flesh rule you, and stop being a sinner. A sinner is known by his slavery to Satan, to lies, to his own flesh, letting his body keep making the same errors over and over, led by "stinkin thinkin", how addicts call the carnal mind. "I can't help it, I have to have a half gallon of gin or I'll die. It's my medicine." one lady cried out in a group circle. She's in rehab now from a fall, about to get a new hip, and refusing prayer. That's what sinners do.

Born again believers in Christ have power over sin and the devil. If you can't control your flesh, you are not of Christ. The following is not a description of a sinner, but of what God expects of His children in Christ:
Romans 8:1-16 (KJV)
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

 

[Quantrill]

Paul nailed that struggle of sinners, well documented in Rom 6-7. But, he described the magnificent solution in Rom 8. Romans 8 pushes aside the negatives of Romans 7, but when readers stop with 7 because they identify with that, they are deceived into remaining a slave to sin because many preachers and teachers are uncomfortable with chapter 8. Why? If all the sinners slaves to sin heard that sermon completed there might not be anyone left to preach to. Statistically half of them are adulterers and adulteresses, passing wives and husbands around like a dating game. Some are sexual perverts sitting on the front row, men holding hands and twirling each other's hair. Yep, sinners they are, and will not be on their way to Heaven. I hope you will eventually stop letting your flesh rule you, and stop being a sinner. A sinner is known by his slavery to Satan, to lies, to his own flesh, letting his body keep making the same errors over and over, led by "stinkin thinkin", how addicts call the carnal mind. "I can't help it, I have to have a half gallon of gin or I'll die. It's my medicine." one lady cried out in a group circle. She's in rehab now from a fall, about to get a new hip, and refusing prayer. That's what sinners do.

Born again believers in Christ have power over sin and the devil. If you can't control your flesh, you are not of Christ. The following is not a description of a sinner, but of what God expects of His children in Christ:
Romans 8:1-16 (KJV)
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

No. The solution that Paul described in (Romans 7) is found in (7:17), (7:20), and (7:25). "It is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me" Because that is the solution, then there is therefore no condemnation to the believer.

Quantrill

 

[Dovegiven]

All through Rom 7 Paul describes how the law of sin holding the flesh captive rages against the mind. The mind knows the law of God and desires to resist. Help is on the way in Chapter 8.

Paul had asked who was going to save him (of course we know he was saved years earlier) AH, Jesus will. Paul next describes the glory over that situation, that he's been enjoying. He is relating to people who are experiencing that inner war that leaves them powerless. The following is the state of a believer released from the law of sin lording over the flesh. That happens when we walk in the Spirit. So the dialog is taken from the mind learning the right things, but the body of death still walking according to the flesh in chapter 7 to the transformation through Jesus in us in chapter 8. The Spirit makes the body rise from death to live in righteousness in concert with the mind. There's no condemnation involved. It's gone!

Keep reading. You'll catch on. If you disagree, then you would be saying none of Chapter 8 is for you, leaving you in misery. Enter into His glory.

 

[Sue D.]

I just found this thread of conversation. "Why doesn't God heal everyone"

God heals who He sees fit to heal in This life time. Total healing for a born-again believer will happen when we receive our glorified bodies when we die or are raptured up and out of this world.

Some people's cancers go into what is called 'remission' -- is that not called being healed? And some Stay that way and sometimes later in life a cancer returns and the person Does die. And sometimes Not.

And, No, it's Not a matter of 'how much faith that person does or does not have' -- both my parents died of different types of cancer. They were both believers. No 'lack of faith' on Anyone's parts. So I kind of resent the implications of that comment.

And there Are also people who have psychosomatic illnesses. Even 'cancers'. Some are 'healed' simply because they were never actually sick in the first place.

And some who die after lengthy , painful cancers or other illnesses.

And we need to realize that we live in a fallen world. 'Bad things' Do happen to Good people. Unless the rapture takes 'us' first -- Everyone Will die physically at some point.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Interpreting it the same way the Pharisees did is not healthy exegesis, but amounts to blasphemy. We are now way into another subject.

Why would God then be part of the evil works of Satan to get His will done? He is God. He doesn't need help. Why would Satan sign up to do the will of God? Men refuse and God works around them too until He finds one willing and then doing. Mixing holiness and satanic evil is like oil with water. in the natural world.

Hello Brother Dovegiven,
Not healthy tossing around the blasphemy word. Instead you might want to use the word eisegesis. Unless you truly believe that those who disagree with you are truly speaking blasphemy. On a subject such as this, where clearly there is a disagreement, both sides are attempting to determine not only the Character of God, motivations of God, and what is or is not acceptable/allowable for Him to do, because of the differing exegesis of Scripture being put forth by each. This while certainly understanding of how God processes and His detailed purposes are beyond our full understanding/comprehension. Seeing of course but...1 Corinthians 13:12. I would have used Isiah 55:8, but why use a verse we would clearly disagree with in its meaning.

Still, my hope is that my point is made.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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God is not doing the works of satan. And satan is not willfully doing the works of God. God is doing His work. Using satan or his angels at times to accomplish it, is not a problem with God. Just like with Joseph. (Gen. 50:20) "But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive." There was evil behind the brothers doing what they did to Joseph. But behind that there was God, making sure all was done in accordance to His purpose which is good. satan did what he did to Joseph, because he hated God's people. But what he did to Joseph played into the hand of God, was what God wanted, for the good.

Again see (Is. 10:5-7).

Quantrill

Hello Brother Quantrill,
I agree. This brought to mind again to me the story of the man who was blind from birth and how Jesus explained to His disciples that it was not sin of the individual or his parents that was the cause of the blindness, but rather that the work of God might be manifested in him. (John 9:1-12)

As a side note, I can't help but add the following verse from this chapter. It's usage can be a sermon all by itself, and always has me praising God!!! Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia!!!

He answered and said, Whether he be a sinner [or no], I know not: one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see. John 9:25 (Emphasis mine)

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

may I ask?

Was Job in need of healing?
His 'friends' gave a lot of advice (and some well meaning folk even quote them and/or like/use quotes by them as 'uplifting' quotes on wall plaques and Scripture tracts) but about the only good from their advice was to strengthen Job's resolve.

Again, please, was Job in need of healing?


Bless you ....><>

and...

On a subject such as this, where clearly there is a disagreement, both sides are attempting to determine not only the Character of God, motivations of God, and what is or is not acceptable/allowable for Him to do

let us remember this....

1I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, Who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

7But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

8Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9(Now that he ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fill all things.) 11And He gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into Him in all things, Which is the Head, even Christ: 16From Whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part,

maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

Ephesians 4:1-16

[please, all, read that again] ....><>

 

[Christ4Ever]

Thank-you brother for adding those blessed words. That we may never forget. That we are one Body and that of Christ Jesus.
That all that we do by the Spirit of God, be done in unity, in love, and to the Glory of God!

 

[Quantrill]

All through Rom 7 Paul describes how the law of sin holding the flesh captive rages against the mind. The mind knows the law of God and desires to resist. Help is on the way in Chapter 8.

Paul had asked who was going to save him (of course we know he was saved years earlier) AH, Jesus will. Paul next describes the glory over that situation, that he's been enjoying. He is relating to people who are experiencing that inner war that leaves them powerless. The following is the state of a believer released from the law of sin lording over the flesh. That happens when we walk in the Spirit. So the dialog is taken from the mind learning the right things, but the body of death still walking according to the flesh in chapter 7 to the transformation through Jesus in us in chapter 8. The Spirit makes the body rise from death to live in righteousness in concert with the mind. There's no condemnation involved. It's gone!

Keep reading. You'll catch on. If you disagree, then you would be saying none of Chapter 8 is for you, leaving you in misery. Enter into His glory.

Being saved, as far as from a lost to a saved state, is not what's being addressed here. The conflict of the Spirit with the Flesh is.

Read again post [HASH=2015]#(123[/HASH]).

In your first paragraph you did alright until your last sentence. The body never lives in righteousness here. Paul is drawing a distinction between the body and spirit. He is not making them together righteous.

Because of that, (Rom. 7:17, 20, 25), there is no condemnation to the believer.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

@Br. Bear

You asked if Job needed healing? I'm sure he did after his body was attacked with boils. (Job 2:7-8)

Quantrill

 

[Br. Bear]

@Br. Bear

You asked if Job needed healing? I'm sure he did after his body was attacked with boils. (Job 2:7-8)

Quantrill

Greetings Quantrill,

in the light of the present discussion, how then would one advise Job to receive healing, do you think? Or perhaps we wouldn't?


Bless you ....><>

 

[Quantrill]

Greetings Quantrill,

in the light of the present discussion, how then would one advise Job to receive healing, do you think? Or perhaps we wouldn't?


Bless you ....><>

Well, we have the luxury of having the whole picture before us which neither Job, or his wife or his friends had. Job recognized that this thing was from God. (Job 2:10) The advice he got from his wife was to curse God and die. (a strange statement....only to the unmarried)

Quantrill

 

[Br. Bear]

Well, we have the luxury of having the whole picture before us which neither Job, or his wife or his friends had. Job recognized that this thing was from God. (Job 2:10) The advice he got from his wife was to curse God and die. (a strange statement....only to the unmarried)

Quantrill

Greetings Quantrill,

with all the present day all-sorts variety of 'doctrines' about healing, I would not want to be in Job's sandals having the huge weight of loss and pain suddenly come upon me and be on the receiving end of the advice i might be offered.

Perhaps we sort of know the whole picture but don't really.
We do need to trust the One Who does, though, that much we do know.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Christ4Ever]

We do need to trust the One Who does, though, that much we do know.

Exactly right Brother!
Whether there be healing or not.
Like Paul said "[Phl 4:11 KJV] Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, [therewith] to be content." is how we need to be. We can associate this particular verse/subject to just materialism, but I would look to whatever we do we do for the love of the Lord which should be without limitations, instead of those imposed by our current state of flesh & spirit, and so our ability to rejoice at all times in Christ Jesus.

Sadly, the real point that seems to underline this question of this thread is whether the "healing" or lack thereof is due to something to do with us, God's Will, or both. I believe if we knew the answer of this, then we'd all be in agreement. Personally, I believe the latter, because we'd have to know God's Will in order to know if there is something of us that is holding back the healing from happening or not.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[B-A-C]

Just curious, how many here pray for healing with an anointing of oil?

Jas 5:14; Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord;

 

[Dave M]

Just curious, how many here pray for healing with an anointing of oil?

Jas 5:14; Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord;

I have never done it with oil, but will now .., great scripture thanks for sharing. .....Have you @B-A-C

 

[KingJ]

Just curious, how many here pray for healing with an anointing of oil?

Jas 5:14; Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord;

The elders in my church do this every Sunday. Dab of oil to the forehead whilst they pray for your healing.

 

[Victor Van Heerden]

The elders in my church do this every Sunday. Dab of oil to the forehead whilst they pray for your healing.

Yep - and they also suggest that the person prayed for seeks professional medical assistance thereby negating their prayer of faith. Why are you boycotting my new thread on When is our Lord Jesus physically coming back again to earth as He promised and in what manner? By the way i posted that same thread on another site and it has nearly five hundred comments and near to four hundred thousand views.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Yep - and they also suggest that the person prayed for seeks professional medical assistance thereby negating their prayer of faith. Why are you boycotting my new thread on When is our Lord Jesus physically coming back again to earth as He promised and in what manner? By the way i posted that same thread on another site and it has nearly five hundred comments and near to four hundred thousand views.

Dear Brother Victor,
Hopefully, the above post on boycotting of your thread is tongue in cheek. It gave me a laugh that's for sure.
No one here forces or prevents one from viewing or commenting on any thread they so desire to.
So, don't be insulted if members choose one over another. Happens.

Oh, Congratulations on the comments & views on the other site. Ever think that maybe they're not as discerning as we are here? or maybe the Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus just like the meat & potatoes that are served here better. Joking.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Victor Van Heerden]

Ever think that maybe they're not as discerning as we are here?

The site mentioned has a huge diversity of belief. Predominantly RC, liberal and evangelical with plenty of Buddhists and humanists. There are trained theologians, philosophers, professors and university students. Born again, Baptists, Charismatics, Prosperity, Pentecostals, Jehovah witnesses, Mormons and some new age weirdos. I learn every day on that site. From the very devout to the irreligious. From Young Earth Instant Creationists to Old Earth Instant Creationists, to Theistic Long time Evolutionists and Darwinian Evolutionists. All are welcome and interact with each other under the watchful eye of moderators according to certain rules.