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Why doesn't God heal everyone?

And 1Peter 2:24 does refer to physical healing, it refers too to spiritual healing, it refers to emotional healing....By Jesus stripes, you/we WERE healed.
I am simply saying that hugsband needs to steep in scriptures like this one until it clicks in his spirit....For one to say, "I believe that" is to say. "I mentally assent to that" Your spirit needs to receive the Word and when it does, nothing will stop the blessing of God.


Greetings dear brother @Bendito

My understanding of being healed by His stripes is that it is referring to our sins and transgressions being dealt with at the cross.

If it referred to physical healing then why are people not both spiritually and physically healed at the point of being saved?

I am simply saying that hugsband needs to steep in scriptures like this one until it clicks in his spirit....For one to say, "I believe that" is to say. "I mentally assent to that" Your spirit needs to receive the Word and when it does, nothing will stop the blessing of God.

What does this actually mean?

Sinners come to Jesus simply believing and accepting salvation. Praise the Lord!
Their souls are saved.......Ransomed, healed, restored, forgiven. Thank You Lord JESUS!

What you sound like you are saying brother Bendito is that some deeper level of belief is needed for physical healing for that click to happen??
 
Greetings dear brother @Bendito

My understanding of being healed by His stripes is that it is referring to our sins and transgressions being dealt with at the cross.

If it referred to physical healing then why are people not both spiritually and physically healed at the point of being saved?

I am simply saying that hugsband needs to steep in scriptures like this one until it clicks in his spirit....For one to say, "I believe that" is to say. "I mentally assent to that" Your spirit needs to receive the Word and when it does, nothing will stop the blessing of God.

What does this actually mean?

Sinners come to Jesus simply believing and accepting salvation. Praise the Lord!
Their souls are saved.......Ransomed, healed, restored, forgiven. Thank You Lord JESUS!

What you sound like you are saying brother Bendito is that some deeper level of belief is needed for physical healing for that click to happen??
I'm simply saying that being a spirit, one needs to believe the Word in his spirit....not just in the cranium. Mental assent is not belief... God is a spirit, the Word is spirit, we are spirit, so we must believe in spirit. See what I mean?
 
And 1Peter 2:24 does refer to physical healing, .By Jesus stripes, you/we WERE healed.
No it does not. ''He was wounded for our iniquities''....by His stripes we are healed ....of them. Our iniquities. Death. I just do not get bodily healing from that verse. Nor does any elder in my church. What am I missing? Is their more context? All the verses in that chapter speak naught to bodily healing. I believe you are stretching. Making that scripture say something it does not.
 
Hello Brother,
I agree with you is that it is prophetic, even though I don't know if Cyrus was in existence yet when this was written. I haven't researched that. I do also see Isaiah 45:7, as God explaining who He is to those who do not know Him, along with many of the other verses included in this Chapter.

We can extract much significance from Scripture outside its obvious application. In this case we also see that He, God, like He did in Job is showing those who do not know Him, who He Is, by the way of what He has done. There are great similarities between Job and what is written in Isaiah Chapter 45. So, I would not limit them to an singular reasoning. To do so would take away great knowledge from the reader.

As to the rest of what you have written in this post. It has more to do with the "free will" aspect that I briefly mentioned to Brother Bendito and "God's will". Disregarding either one, can color how one comes to view as my wife likes to say "Yes, No, Not Now" as it pertains to placing requests to God. What we may see as needing healing, is something that God sees as necessary and ultimately beneficial. Regardless of the answer should we not then Glorify Him that it is to our good that He is doing so?

I tell people not to be so caught up in the temporal which is hard to do, because the ready reply is "You're not going through it, so it's easy for you to say.". My Hope is in the Lord, and the promises written in Scripture. However, I don't isolate them or put them separate from the will of God for me in this life. So, if I'm not healed, I could easily beat myself up that it must be for my lack, for what other reason could there be? Or, I can submit myself to the will of God, so that whatever, condition I find myself to be in, that the ensuing results are to the Glory of God! Sometimes Christians can be the saddest sick people I know. That is why I truly try to lift up their sagging spirits. We have so much to look forward to, because ultimately we're all going to die. Let us die joyfully! For our Lord has conquered death, and there is much to do before our work is done.

I hope this clarifies a little of what I have posted and have seen in your words.

With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother.
YBIC
Nick
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This was my second sentence: "The subject of verses 1-10 was a prophecy for Cyrus, who wasn't yet born, outlining an event two centuries to come."

Your response was "I agree with you is that it is prophetic, even though I don't know if Cyrus was in existence yet when this was written. I haven't researched that. I do also see Isaiah 45:7, as God explaining who He is to those who do not know Him, along with many of the other verses included in this Chapter."

There's enough disconnect in that to lay a root of error for the rest of it. In the 10th verse God specifically called out the name of the king who would be born in time to stop the 70 year captivity of the Jews at Babylon, in his first year of reign. Jeremiah and Ezra speak of it too. The whole prophecy was about that king, and had nothing to do with Satan or sin. It had to do with anointing a man before he was born. God then moves on to talk to Israel at verse 11, the nation that would benefit by the help of Cyrus who made their return to homeland possible. The point God made was that He had power to do it like He had power to create. Satan had no part in it other than try to encourage armies against Cyrus. They met much "evil", a better word being an opposite of peace. since the contrast was between making peace among nations and grieveous war and oppression.
Isaiah 45:7 (KJV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

As for taking a personal prophecy and claiming it for us, that leads to errors like claiming God will give me the vast fortune and wisdom He promised to Solomon. In fact, that was only promised to King Solomon.

So now where to go with it all? I know that if I submit to God, resist the Devil, he will flee from me, and does. Paul knew and experienced that power, and I know and have many times experienced that power. It requires increasing in knowledge and diligence, living by faith, and Holy Ghost courage. So how then could God be true to His word, yet let Satan put an incurable disease on any child of God who
Submits to God Resits the Devil and is promised the Devil will Flee?

I am a born again man who has been given great authority over Satan, but that is powerless unless I use it. I got it from Jesus in Mark 16:16-18, the way the apostles got that authority. As a forester I've had poisonous snakes on me, up my pants leg, under my foot like on a rolling pin, and never took a scratch, though clothes stinking from venom stains. I've eaten poisonous mushrooms when trying mistakenly recommended varieties in the field in preparation for interpretive field tours. without harm, though sometimes discomfort. Casting demons out of people is a joy. I speak, pray, and sing in tongues as the Holy Spirit leads me, and lay hands on the sick, and they recover, though I will not agree to pray for a partial healing or leave a matter up to a "be it according to thy will" disclaimer or any "unspoken request" unbelief.

A Christian can give in to Satan, sure. We can give in to depression and sickness, giving up on all hope. I will never accept a "gift" from Satan to be taken as a way to glorify God. I don't recommend making a habit of it. It's like a soldier quick to surrender even when winning the battle. While I have many benefits from the Lord, it's also obvious persecutions over the name of Jesus arise and can be painful. Though Satan can influence people to persecute, he can't get directly involved against me. Our church put up with a messenger from hell who several times "fell" on the property and sued, running our liability insurance premiums high. He ended up in drug rehab then assigned to a recovery ministry where I taught Bible. He apologized to the class, blaming his addiction and the need for lots of money. We forgave him, but had to report his insurance fraud. Recently I was kicked in the shin by a woman protesting our march for Life event. It really hurt, benched me, but I got over it same day. If persecution leads to death, so be it as Jesus warned. None of that power is peculiar to me or any other Christian who will live by faith. Jesus gave us that right.

When I ask people if I can pray for them, most are not accustomed to how I do that. A few have stopped me, even though in severe distress, with "Brother, I just don't believe that way, so just ask God that his will be done, please." I stop praying and explain God's will, then leave if they won't believe it. If they believe I'll pray till a nurse needs me gone. So I go to the waiting room and minister in the ears of many there. People get born again, and renew their hopes, and learn how to pray effectively. That's how I've met many preachers and made fine friendships of Christians.

Any Christian can succeed if only plunging in. You are in a position of trust and respect to teach truth, avoiding men's doctrines.
 
LOLOL God has authority over Satan, but He also set laws that need to be lived by, and He follows His laws as well as we must. So....He set us in dominion in the Earth....He'll allow us to reign in the Earth because He will not break His Word. God's authority over Satan is actually secondary to His Word. There is no higher authority than His Word. BTW The story of Pauls thorn does not even mention sickness. Of any kind.


His authority is established by His Word Brother!!!!!!!!!! It is not secondary to anything. Don't go about partitioning God! Anathema.
 
His authority is established by His Word Brother!!!!!!!!!! It is not secondary to anything. Don't go about partitioning God! Anathema.

If I said to God; "I bow down toward your holy temple and give thanks to your name for your grace and truth; for you have made your word [even] greater than the whole of your reputation." What would you say?
 
No it does not. ''He was wounded for our iniquities''....by His stripes we are healed ....of them. Our iniquities. Death. I just do not get bodily healing from that verse. Nor does any elder in my church. What am I missing? Is their more context? All the verses in that chapter speak naught to bodily healing. I believe you are stretching. Making that scripture say something it does not.

I don't believe Jesus took the whip stripes tearing His flesh from His body, and the crown of thorns piercing (soul/mind) and the nails in His hands and feet, spear in His side (heart/spirit) all for spiritual healing alone. His ministry focus was on physical body healing, mental (soul), and spiritual rebirth. Why you would limit what Jesus did His last week to spiritual only is a mystery.

Matthew 8:16-17 (KJV)
16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

What about Isaiah?
Isaiah 53:4-5 (KJV)
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

What Jesus did in healing the sick was to fulfill that prophecy. The apostles carried it on and taught their disciples to do the same. There is no end to it.

Is it not possible that then and now people are damaged or distressed by men as punishment for breaking laws? Well, Jesus can fix that. Do you not believe much sickness is caused by sin as well as demon possession, bad medicine, accidents, etc? Jesus dealt with such miseries with success for all who approached Him.
 
No it does not. ''He was wounded for our iniquities''....by His stripes we are healed ....of them. Our iniquities. Death. I just do not get bodily healing from that verse. Nor does any elder in my church. What am I missing? Is their more context? All the verses in that chapter speak naught to bodily healing. I believe you are stretching. Making that scripture say something it does not.
You are missing the Spirit....If you read the Word with only your intellect you will miss most of it.
Psalm 103:1-5


(1) Bless Adonai, my soul!
Everything in me, bless his holy name!
2 Bless Adonai, my soul,
and forget none of his benefits!

3 He forgives all your offenses,
he heals all your diseases,
4 he redeems your life from the pit,
he surrounds you with grace and compassion,
5 he contents you with good as long as you live,
so that your youth is renewed like an eagle’s.
 
You know of course that the Bible does NOT say that God put this thorn on Paul? You're reading that in.

Yes it does. I already showed you in post [HASH=1658]#(50[/HASH]) and (52). Reread, or read.

Quantrill
 
Yes it does. I already showed you in post [HASH=1658]#(50[/HASH]) and (52). Reread, or read.

Quantrill
Well I hope you're not referring to your use of 2 Corinthians 12:9 because that verse does not say God gave Paul the thorn...
2 Corinthians 12:9
9 but he told me, “My grace is enough for you, for my power is brought to perfection in weakness.” Therefore, I am very happy to boast about my weaknesses, in order that the Messiah’s power will rest upon me.
 
This was my second sentence: "The subject of verses 1-10 was a prophecy for Cyrus, who wasn't yet born, outlining an event two centuries to come."

Your response was "I agree with you is that it is prophetic, even though I don't know if Cyrus was in existence yet when this was written. I haven't researched that. I do also see Isaiah 45:7, as God explaining who He is to those who do not know Him, along with many of the other verses included in this Chapter."

There's enough disconnect in that to lay a root of error for the rest of it. In the 10th verse God specifically called out the name of the king who would be born in time to stop the 70 year captivity of the Jews at Babylon, in his first year of reign. Jeremiah and Ezra speak of it too. The whole prophecy was about that king, and had nothing to do with Satan or sin. It had to do with anointing a man before he was born. God then moves on to talk to Israel at verse 11, the nation that would benefit by the help of Cyrus who made their return to homeland possible. The point God made was that He had power to do it like He had power to create. Satan had no part in it other than try to encourage armies against Cyrus. They met much "evil", a better word being an opposite of peace. since the contrast was between making peace among nations and grieveous war and oppression.
Isaiah 45:7 (KJV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

As for taking a personal prophecy and claiming it for us, that leads to errors like claiming God will give me the vast fortune and wisdom He promised to Solomon. In fact, that was only promised to King Solomon.

So now where to go with it all? I know that if I submit to God, resist the Devil, he will flee from me, and does. Paul knew and experienced that power, and I know and have many times experienced that power. It requires increasing in knowledge and diligence, living by faith, and Holy Ghost courage. So how then could God be true to His word, yet let Satan put an incurable disease on any child of God who
Submits to God Resits the Devil and is promised the Devil will Flee?

I am a born again man who has been given great authority over Satan, but that is powerless unless I use it. I got it from Jesus in Mark 16:16-18, the way the apostles got that authority. As a forester I've had poisonous snakes on me, up my pants leg, under my foot like on a rolling pin, and never took a scratch, though clothes stinking from venom stains. I've eaten poisonous mushrooms when trying mistakenly recommended varieties in the field in preparation for interpretive field tours. without harm, though sometimes discomfort. Casting demons out of people is a joy. I speak, pray, and sing in tongues as the Holy Spirit leads me, and lay hands on the sick, and they recover, though I will not agree to pray for a partial healing or leave a matter up to a "be it according to thy will" disclaimer or any "unspoken request" unbelief.

A Christian can give in to Satan, sure. We can give in to depression and sickness, giving up on all hope. I will never accept a "gift" from Satan to be taken as a way to glorify God. I don't recommend making a habit of it. It's like a soldier quick to surrender even when winning the battle. While I have many benefits from the Lord, it's also obvious persecutions over the name of Jesus arise and can be painful. Though Satan can influence people to persecute, he can't get directly involved against me. Our church put up with a messenger from hell who several times "fell" on the property and sued, running our liability insurance premiums high. He ended up in drug rehab then assigned to a recovery ministry where I taught Bible. He apologized to the class, blaming his addiction and the need for lots of money. We forgave him, but had to report his insurance fraud. Recently I was kicked in the shin by a woman protesting our march for Life event. It really hurt, benched me, but I got over it same day. If persecution leads to death, so be it as Jesus warned. None of that power is peculiar to me or any other Christian who will live by faith. Jesus gave us that right.

When I ask people if I can pray for them, most are not accustomed to how I do that. A few have stopped me, even though in severe distress, with "Brother, I just don't believe that way, so just ask God that his will be done, please." I stop praying and explain God's will, then leave if they won't believe it. If they believe I'll pray till a nurse needs me gone. So I go to the waiting room and minister in the ears of many there. People get born again, and renew their hopes, and learn how to pray effectively. That's how I've met many preachers and made fine friendships of Christians.

Any Christian can succeed if only plunging in. You are in a position of trust and respect to teach truth, avoiding men's doctrines.

Hello Dovegiven,
(Very heavy sigh)
One thing doesn't necessitate another. Meaning I can even concede your life works, and acts. However, it doesn't necessitate that you have correctly divided His word as it pertains to Isaiah Chapter 45, and not wanting to say that it applies to God.

Now you've extrapolated my words to include satan and sin. In a manner of speaking yes. Yes, God did create the possibility for it. Otherwise, "free will" would not exist. And if free will does not exist......need I say more?

You have been given a great gift, and I thank-you for sharing that you have it and how it has manifested itself in your life.

With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother.
YBIC
Nick
<><
 
Well I hope you're not referring to your use of 2 Corinthians 12:9 because that verse does not say God gave Paul the thorn...
2 Corinthians 12:9
9 but he told me, “My grace is enough for you, for my power is brought to perfection in weakness.” Therefore, I am very happy to boast about my weaknesses, in order that the Messiah’s power will rest upon me.

I'm referring to post [HASH=1658]#(50[/HASH]) and [HASH=1659]#(52[/HASH]). Go back and reread, or read.

Quantrill
 
I'm referring to post [HASH=1658]#(50[/HASH]) and [HASH=1659]#(52[/HASH]). Go back and reread, or read.

Quantrill
Yeah...I went back there twice....My point is that the bible does not say that God put the thorn on Paul, and it does not say God sent Satan to do that either...That's simply a fiction that you are promulgating. Fiction
 
If I said to God; "I bow down toward your holy temple and give thanks to your name for your grace and truth; for you have made your word [even] greater than the whole of your reputation." What would you say?

Since I am not God, would that not be between you and Him? For I would only have your words to go by, while He could see into your Heart for intent!
My concern was not for God, as I've said before, He can take care of Himself, but rather for you!

Suficiente con esta conversación mi hermano.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
<><
 
Yeah...I went back there twice....My point is that the bible does not say that God put the thorn on Paul, and it does not say God sent Satan to do that either...That's simply a fiction that you are promulgating. Fiction

My point is that it doesn't say satan put the thorn on Paul.

The reading is plain. (2 Cor. 12:1-10). The thorn was given so that Paul would not glory in himself. So that Paul would not be exalted above measure. That is exactly the sin of satan. satan is not going to try and stop a child of God from being filled with pride and exalted above measure. That is the sin satan wants a child of God to be guilty of. For then he can do much damage. For you to say satan is trying to stop Paul from being exalted is nothing but 'satan casting out satan'. Which I said before in (50,52).

Plus, if you read from (12:1-7), this giving of the thorn was not done at a future date from the time Paul got the visions and revelations. It was done when he got them. And where was Paul? He was in the third heavens in the very presence of God. The same One Who gave the visions and revelations, gave the thorn in the flesh, a messenger of satan.

You assume satan gave Paul the thorn. You assume satan knew Paul received these revelations and visons from God and because he received such, then satan must give him a thorn.

No, God gave the thorn to Paul, because God knew the danger of that which he revealed to Paul. satan's messenger is just a tool in the hand of God.

Quantrill
 
My point is that it doesn't say satan put the thorn on Paul.

The reading is plain. (2 Cor. 12:1-10). The thorn was given so that Paul would not glory in himself. So that Paul would not be exalted above measure. That is exactly the sin of satan. satan is not going to try and stop a child of God from being filled with pride and exalted above measure. That is the sin satan wants a child of God to be guilty of. For then he can do much damage. For you to say satan is trying to stop Paul from being exalted is nothing but 'satan casting out satan'. Which I said before in (50,52).

Plus, if you read from (12:1-7), this giving of the thorn was not done at a future date from the time Paul got the visions and revelations. It was done when he got them. And where was Paul? He was in the third heavens in the very presence of God. The same One Who gave the visions and revelations, gave the thorn in the flesh, a messenger of satan.

You assume satan gave Paul the thorn. You assume satan knew Paul received these revelations and visons from God and because he received such, then satan must give him a thorn.

No, God gave the thorn to Paul, because God knew the danger of that which he revealed to Paul. satan's messenger is just a tool in the hand of God.

Quantrill

Numbers 33:55 (KJV)
55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.

That was a common understanding among the nations that describes a more modern take in Paul's day, that a fallen angel or demon was assigned to pester Paul wherever he went. It'sThat solves the mystery of how people knew who he was, what he was about, like the demon possessed girl calling out Paul in Acts 16:16. Throughout all the troubles associated with demonic heralds who stirred people against Paul, he survived being stoned, shipwrecked, whatever Satan and his team threw at him. He exercised the authority Jesus gave. God would be out of character to deliver something satanic to a believer. That would equal putting poison in someone's coffee. He is not like that. If He wanted someone dead He would simply send His own angel to slice the head off, which He did at Sodom. How could anyone have faith in and trust an unpredictable God that might give a scorpion when asking for an egg.

Christians are not subject to whatever covenant Job had to provide that hedge around him. We have been given power to stomp demons. All believers have that authority, but I suppose few actually attempt to carry it out. Most I have met have gone lifetimes not able to even preach a simple salvation message and be prepared to explain it, so of course dealing with demons that come around is out of their league. I believe Paul used that authority for his ministry as well as the many he ministered to, else he would not have survived those journeys. That authority is created in the word of God and is backed up by the grace of God, and cannot fail.

Here's a reality for today. Recovery ministries deal with thousands of cases of people who were brought up Christian, but fell into drugs among even more unbelievers. That's bad enough, but it goes a lot deeper. They are quickly demon oppressed, with voices all around them while asleep (which is almost a miracle to get that), and all waking hours. When they become literally demon inhabited we usually don't see them, as they are very likely to die from extreme abuse. Yet, shose who make it through any of the steps of jail, interdiction to bring them down, prison if violating probation, the courts, arrive with many problems. We've experienced demons jumping out of the new ones and into other residents who had been set free from their own oppressions/possesions, magnifying problems. So we learned to segregate them as facilities were available.

No human can convince me that God handed out a single demon to any of those sufferers, or ever will. Satan does not need God's help, nor would God need Satan's. Here's a message about His way:

John 10:10-11 (KJV)
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

I can't imagine a good shepherd willingly giving one of his sheep a wolf.
 
Has anyone here "always" healed everyone they cared about? Like the men who lowered the man with no faith through the roof for Jesus. Have those of you with faith that healing can always occur if you have enough faith, have you done this?
 
Has anyone here "always" healed everyone they cared about? Like the men who lowered the man with no faith through the roof for Jesus. Have those of you with faith that healing can always occur if you have enough faith, have you done this?

I doubt it. Even Jesus couldn't heal due to unbelief. He preached "belief" as the main condition of anyone desiring to be healed. It's tough in the USA where people will gladly step up for diabetes healing but won't change their lifestyle to keep healing a day. A lady is in the prayer line every time she is present, wanting her neuopathy gone, but is always a few hundred pounds overweight, eats suppers at Golden Corral. We love her but don't really expect a miracle if she won't admit her lifestyle is dangerous, ignoring counsel by some women who deal with that very common disease. Drug addicts and alcoholics the same. Smokers come back for COPD prayer with smoke on their breath. There are obvious common sense issues involved.

When people go to Jesus, He ascertains "belief" then will even help with unbelief if a person is willing. I don't think the Lord chases folks down to heal them, and doesn't give a bypass for living wrong.
 
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