Wouldn't it be jeopardizing the public health for churches to open up in spite of "Covid-19" is still active, but less because of "low contact"

[PloughBoy]

Is it not clear this pandemic is not over, no cure so far, but isolation has slowed it down. Covid 19 is still active.

 

[Trevor]

Is it not clear this pandemic is not over, no cure so far, but isolation has slowed it down. Covid 19 is still active.

Most churches are large buildings Ploughboy. I should imagine it wouldn't be too hard to keep distance, in the mean time, there's the internet. Satan won't stop fellowship, we're doing it now.

 

[PloughBoy]

But here in the USA there are about 400,000,000 people and only about 4,000,000 been tested. That is only about 1 percent of the population here. People here in the USA do not follow rules very well, especially church going people. Known fact.
The problems is. You will come in contact with a carrier of covid 19 person, at church by "close contact" "singing songs" and maybe the speaker. Then you leave the church building, and during 14 days, how many will get it by that person from church and the persons they come in contact with and those they come in contact with. Then all at once the hospitals are flooded again. Is it worth the chance? Then the people will say the government are not doing enough and fast enough. Could you imagine another "mutation of covid-19". Covid-19 is slowing up because, we are not so group together. At least church folks should understand this.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Where are the underground churches?
Meeting to pray in the mighty name of Jesus.

 

[PloughBoy]

Where are the underground churches?
Meeting to pray in the mighty name of Jesus.

I guess right here on "TalkJesus" is one of them.

 

[Sue D.]

The 'problem' arises that people are being Told what to and what Not to do. It has been brought up that in previous years --bad flu outbreaks have come and gone -- people Have died and people Have gotten better and lots have never gotten sick from those outbreaks of years past. People Have 'quarantined' themselves by staying home when they Are sick. Churches have Always remained open -- people simply Don't go when they are sick. When people don't feel good, they don't want to be out having to sit still for an hour. They want and need to be down in bed when needed / resting / sleeping and Not trying to mingle with other people.

It's the Mandating by CDC and the government that certain measures be taken. We, the people can and do need to govern ourselves. We do Not need 'big brother' monitoring anything.

And it has been shown that only a couple of hospitals were full and over-flowing for a very short time. An extreme amount of hype via media has put lots of people in unneeded panic.

And, yes, there Are people at higher risk of getting sick -- from Anything. So following Good hygiene Should be a Normal thing.

I am amongst the 'elderly' group of people -- I live by myself -- no one to take anything home To. I've only worn a face mask twice.

Have been listening to church's on-line for a while now. Just this past week one of the local churches started services back up. Social distancing , yes, face masks when needed, yes. The people were discouraged from getting into clusters to talk.

Tomorrow is another Sunday. Looking for ward to another in-person service.

 

[PloughBoy]

Well, tell the people in New York with mass graves, the families in Italy, in Spain, and others countries around the world. This virus is not over with yet. Even when they come up with a antidote, it has to be tested for at least a year for side affects that will kill your for every case scenario. Who are we going to believe the common everyday citizen or the "WHO" and the "CDC"! This virus has been contain by "social distancing"! And not by a pill or vaccination. Spreading viruses evolves by developing new condictions in the populous and mutations is obvious. So each time it evolves and mutates then the drawing broad of a antidote most likely have to begin at square one again.

Take note: " but as far as I am concern, take a page out the "Bible": (1 Samuel 8).
Prophecy always comes to pass, in light of motifs.
No matter what happens "God is Sovereign".

I have a lot more to say about "containment", "quarantine" and "sieges" in light of "Holy Scripture" but that is for another day.

 

[PloughBoy]

Well, tell the people in New York with mass graves, the families in Italy, in Spain, and others countries around the world. This virus is not over with yet. Even when they come up with a antidote, it has to be tested for at least a year for side affects that will kill your for every case scenario. Who are we going to believe the common everyday citizen or the "WHO" and the "CDC"! This virus has been contain by "social distancing"! And not by a pill or vaccination. Spreading viruses evolves by developing new condictions in the populous and mutations is obvious. So each time it evolves and mutates then the drawing broad of a antidote most likely have to begin at square one again.

Take note: " but as far as I am concern, take a page out the "Bible": (1 Samuel 8).
Prophecy always comes to pass, in light of motifs.
No matter what happens "God is Sovereign".

I have a lot more to say about "containment", "quarantine" and "sieges" in light of "Holy Scripture" but that is for another day. Christianity is suppose to be a state of denying ones self. So now the institutional church will part of a group of people that reinforce the Covid-19 pandemic? Then people will blame it on the Government, when your love ones start dropping like flies, and when there is no room in the end.

 

[Sue D.]

You Do realize that NYC / the state was one of the sanctuary cities -- welcomed everyone from anywhere. Protected criminals -- illegals.

In This country - people haven't been dropping like flies. Don't think they have been anywhere -- the media has been feeding 'us' a lot of false information. A couple of the countries are made up of an older age group of people. and they Will be more suspectable to any virus.

And virus's probably need to be let run their course.

 

[Hekuran]

You Do realize that NYC / the state was one of the sanctuary cities -- welcomed everyone from anywhere. Protected criminals -- illegals.

Hi Sue D. What's there to note about this? Do you think that the virus is more dangerous for people involved in crime?

 

[Sue D.]

The sanctuary cities were Also for illegals coming up from Honduras -- some of those very southern countries -- non-documented people with no medical history -- who knows what shape their immune systems were / are in.

Drug useage -- alcohol consumption would all lead to weakened immune systems. Those people wouldn't care Who they spread Anything to. Very close living conditions in poor areas would breed easy spreading of Anything.

Committing crimes shows a lack of concern for others and the desire to do most anything to get what the person wants.

And it was noticed -- someone on FB had observed that the 'hot spots' for the virus were the sanctuary cities and it spread out from those locations.

 

[Dave M]

.1% death rate is from my understanding ,,

the precautions taken are far worst for society then the virus itself IMO

fear rate the media has caused for political gain is un-measurable.

we have vaccines for the flue and yet people still die from the flue every year.

$21M Brooklyn field hospital never saw a patient amid coronavirus pandemic

A roughly $21 million Brooklyn field hospital authorized by the de Blasio administration at the height of the coronavirus pandemic opened and closed without ever seeing one patient, according to ci…

nypost.com

 

[Hekuran]

The sanctuary cities were Also for illegals coming up from Honduras -- some of those very southern countries -- non-documented people with no medical history -- who knows what shape their immune systems were / are in.

Drug useage -- alcohol consumption would all lead to weakened immune systems. Those people wouldn't care Who they spread Anything to. Very close living conditions in poor areas would breed easy spreading of Anything.

Committing crimes shows a lack of concern for others and the desire to do most anything to get what the person wants.

And it was noticed -- someone on FB had observed that the 'hot spots' for the virus were the sanctuary cities and it spread out from those locations.

Think about how your post reads Sue D. Thousands of people have died. Rather than show any compassion for the sick and the grieving, you want to make comments about their immigration status, criminal activity, drug and alcohol consumption.

 

[PloughBoy]

I must say this, among these groups of people, some are real "born from above" children of God. And it seems a lot of so called Christians do not care for their true brother and sisters in Christ from all nations" But they are quick to let these words flow from their lips when it meets their selfish desires:

(Galatians 3).
"28There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

And I do have good news, since many don't know it seems that, " Jesus came down here on earth to save criminals, drug addicts, and alcoholics, and thieves, prostitutes, women beaters, child molesters, murderers, he came to save sinners and not the self righteous and righteous. Be very careful how you speak so harsh about these type of people, and thinking you are so "Holy" yourselves! ! Jesus come to saved the ones condemn to died a horrorable death. But since some of us, is not that bad, He might not have come to save you! You ain't bad enough!

 

[PloughBoy]

Jesus did not come to save "good people" he came to save sinners!

Study Bible
The Calling of Levi
…31Jesus answered, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 32I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, torepentance.” 33Then they said to Him, “John’s disciples and those of the Pharisees frequently fast and pray, but Yours keep on eating and drinking.”…
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Cross References
Matthew 9:13
But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Mark 2:17
On hearing this, Jesus told them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Luke 5:31
Jesus answered, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.

Luke 5:33
Then they said to Him, "John's disciples and those of the Pharisees frequently fast and pray, but Yours keep on eating and drinking."

Treasury of Scripture
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Luke 4:18,19
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, …

Luke 15:7,10
I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance…

Luke 18:10-14
Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican…

 

[Dave M]

I must say this, among these groups of people, some are real "born from above" children of God. And it seems a lot of so called Christians do not care for their true brother and sisters in Christ from all nations" But they are quick to let these words flow from their lips when it meets their selfish desires:

your disdain and belittling of other people who think and see things differently from you, has exposed your heart, you might want to get off your soap box, and look in the mirror.

 

[PloughBoy]

your disdain and belittling of other people who think and see things differently from you, has exposed your heart, you might want to get off your soap box, and look in the mirror.
[/QUOTE)
What kind of heart do you think you have?

I already knows about my heart, to bad many Christians do not believe God's Word about their own, but it seems they believe the opposite. My heart is as the "Holy Scripture" describes below. The Bible exposes my heart, I don't need you sir to describe my heart, I know it is wicked for I do know how to read, "And when the plain sense of scripture, makes common sense, seek no other sense"

(Jeremiah 17:9).
The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?

(Matthew 15:19).
New International Version
For out of the heart come evil thoughts--murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
New Living Translation
For from the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, all sexual immorality, theft, lying, and slander.
English Standard Version
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.

 

[Sue D.]

The media / Democrats have taken this present 'virus' and blown it totally out of proportion. If 'we' want to take a look at it's origins -- the research lab in China. The conditions in the open-air meat markets in that area. Seems that the communist party in that area saw an opportunity and 'went for it'. Highly political and highly emotionally charged. No one Wants to be sick -- no one Wanted any of the previous flu outbreaks of past years. No one Wants to see people die.

Having Pres. Trump elected has been a thorn in the flesh for the Democrats. And they want that 'thorn' pulled out at Any expense. And That is what's really sickening.

How many groups have 'vowed' to take down this country.

I realize I'm sounding very strong-minded.

This thread is about opening churches back up. They never should have been closed in the first place. Nothing should have been closed.

We are to respect those in authority over us. The pastors / churches that I'm familiar with are doing everything the officials are telling them.

Dave M is right.

 

[Hekuran]

This thread is about opening churches back up. They never should have been closed in the first place. Nothing should have been closed.

That's an odd statement. Even with a lockdown there have been nearly 100,000 deaths. Unimaginable the devastation if there hasn't been preventative action.

 

[PloughBoy]

The media / Democrats have taken this present 'virus' and blown it totally out of proportion. If 'we' want to take a look at it's origins -- the research lab in China. The conditions in the open-air meat markets in that area. Seems that the communist party in that area saw an opportunity and 'went for it'. Highly political and highly emotionally charged. No one Wants to be sick -- no one Wanted any of the previous flu outbreaks of past years. No one Wants to see people die.

Having Pres. Trump elected has been a thorn in the flesh for the Democrats. And they want that 'thorn' pulled out at Any expense. And That is what's really sickening.

How many groups have 'vowed' to take down this country.

I realize I'm sounding very strong-minded.

This thread is about opening churches back up. They never should have been closed in the first place. Nothing should have been closed.

We are to respect those in authority over us. The pastors / churches that I'm familiar with are doing everything the officials are telling them.

Dave M is right.

If is so amazing to me that many of people have 1st hand information of what is going on in the sciences of "viral diseases". Is not the "CDC" and "The WHO' would be determine as a form of "government" who specializes in this field. But it seems we also have experts here in the the field of "Infectious diseases" here too!

Romans 13 1
The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong.

John 19:11
Jesus answered, "You would have no authority over Me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed Me over to you is guilty of greater sin."

Jesus submitted: to the governing parties, Here in John 19:11 He testified of it by His own mouth.

The institutionalize church is not a stranger of spreading deadly diseases, not on purpose mind you, but through ignorance.