Is addiction a sin or is it disease ??

[Rhema]

John 12:31 "will be'
will be cast
ἐκβληθήσεται (ekblēthēsetai)
Verb - Future Indicative Passive - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's 1544: To throw (cast, put) out; I banish; I bring forth, produce. From ek and ballo; to eject.

Yep, "will be" and at the time that Jesus spoke these words, the crucifixion was in the future.

But not when He spoke these words -

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.​

(Matthew 28:18 KJV)​

It breaks my heart when I see believers reject this verse.

Rhema

Wait. What?

NOW is the judgment of this world: NOW will the prince of this world be cast out.​

(John 12:31 KJV)​

So now, "NOW" means "NOT NOW" but "LATER" ??

 

[Rhema]

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
(Matthew 28:18 KJV) '''''''''' Future Indicative Passive''''''''''''

Check again - εδοθη (to give) is

Tense: Aorist,​

Voice: Passive​

Mood: Indicative​

I don't make silly mistakes like that.

Rhema

I Thank GOD again I can READ the "English Language"

"IS" isn't future tense.

Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.​

(Proverbs 13:16 KJV)​

 

[PloughBoy]

Check again - εδοθη (to give) is

Tense: Aorist,​

Voice: Passive​

Mood: Indicative​

I don't make silly mistakes like that.

Rhema


"IS" isn't future tense, dearie.

Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.​

(Proverbs 13:16 KJV)​

I have no idea what you are talking about. What ever seminary you went too, you need to go back and demand for them to give your money back with interest.

 

[Rhema]

What ever seminary you went too, you need to go back and demand for them to give your money back with interest.

(Says the person who admits he has no idea what I'm talking about.)
.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

So just what's confusing you ??

You posted this -

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
(Matthew 28:18 KJV) '''''''''' Future Indicative Passive''''''''''''

The verb IS isn't Future tense. Neither is the Greek word εδοθη (to give). Jesus did NOT say "All power will be given unto me..." to indicate an action in the future.

Matthew 28:18 is NOT "'''''''''' Future Indicative Passive''''''''''''

It's "'''''''''' Aorist Indicative Passive '''''''''''' .

"All power(authority) IS given unto me..." That's not future tense, even in English.

You either believe it or you don't.

Rhema
Truly, you haven't shown the competence necessary to ridicule my seminary. (And that's a statement of fact, PB, not an insult.)

 

[Born Again 2004]

It is fairly simple....Sin is anything that God is not!!

 

[Whendancer]

IS ADDICTION A SIN OR IS IT A DISEASE? I suggest to you that it is neither but it is an absence of the regeneration of the Holy Spirit. Before Jesus ascended, He instructed His Disciples to go to Jerusalem and wait for "the Promise"...the Holy Spirit who would give them power. (Luke 24: 49) Once the Holy Spirit has taken up dwelling in our hearts, there should be evidence of this by the "fruits" that become evident in the way we live, talk, and interact with the world and the things in it. One of those fruits is self-control ( Galatians 5:22 -23). I have been in Christ over 40 years, so I can testify from experience, that if He were not abiding in me...leading me...convicting me...I would STILL be enslaved to the RELENTLESS temptings of the devil. Not that I am perfect. I just don't have the desire to go back into that darkness that I was in BEFORE the Holy Spirit made me a new creation. We are to be ambassadors for Christ which means that we MUST crucify our flesh daily so that Christ can live and work through us: something that is impossible for addicts to do. They only represent WHATEVER or WHOMEVER has them ensnared. And, those that are IN CHRIST are FREE INDEED! (Galations 5:1) If you do not have the power that comes with being regenerated, then you are NOT a child of the Most High GOD. And, the things that you do and say give evidence of who your TRUE father really is. (1st John 3: 4-10) This does not mean that we are sinless, because we are still in the flesh. But, we strive for a maturity that would give more evidence that we have been crucified with Christ and that we no longer live but He lives through us.( Galations 2:20) And, the Christ living through us is NOT addicted to ANYTHING! AMEN?

 

[brighthouse98]

Addiction is a word used by the world for someone who believes they cannot stop something, REALLY??? What can I do that I cannot stop doing?? The real truth is that the person does not want to stop! So they use this word as an excuse to continue doing something they believe is wrong for them to do. No one in the Bible made this excuse,why should we??

 

[Rhema]

What Kind of "GOD" is This! Thank You! I GOT A GOD WHO MANIFEST HIMSELF TO ME! YES SIR! I know i am His CHILD!

Because of how you feel ??

Do we measure the Truth of what we believe by how it makes us feel ??

It's the "I feel good" doctrine of the "prophet" James Brown, that leads the weak to think they are better than their other brothers in Christ.

But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.​

(Titus 2:1-2 KJV)​

All that whoopie whooee can hardly be seen as being sober. (And no, Peter wasn't speaking about not being drunk on alcholol.)

Rhema

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

for clarity:

comments regarding insulting another man's learning [while often telling everyone about 'your' learning] such as this....

I have no idea what you are talking about. What ever seminary you went too, you need to go back and demand for them to give your money back with interest.

is what comments in reply such as this....

sad that you need to pull down my seminary and denigrate my education in order to puff yourself up)

Rhema
Truly, you haven't shown the competence necessary to ridicule my seminary. (And that's a statement of fact, PB, not an insult.)

tend to evoke.

Please everybody, stop being rude to and about one another.

For me, i can see, by what i read, who knows anything and who knows a lot less that they want others to think. However, without the Help from the Lord, i would not have a clue and without the Help from the Lord, i would look and see that this website is full of hypocrites and nasty people, and i would deduce that Christians and Christianity is not worth the effort {and that goes for the Member who claims to not be a Christian, so often - you know who you are}

Is that what Members join for??? to make a mockery out of God with all their "GOD is NOT MOCK" stuff while displaying a puffed up position to ridicule others and mock their efforts to share what they have learned?

Likewise, those who retaliate and shoot comments back are doing the same mockery of our Lord.


PLEASE stop doing this on this Forum.

You have been asked. Use as much of your intelligence as you can muster and get the hint.
I will not ask again and you will no longer be welcome.

And while i am at it, i do not care for boastings about ghetto vernacular. I want to resist my old man and not give place to the devil by entertaining worldly ways. Most could talk/write with their brand and model of vernacular, yet what a sorry sight [site] this would be on top of the mockery some are making it to be.

Remember, you have been asked. PLEASE stop doing this on this Forum.

Jesus is Lord


Bless you ....><>

 

[Reba1]

Is addiction a sin or is it disease ??
It is a choice of freewill for most.

 

[PloughBoy]

The worst people me and my wife have ever met has been christians. I have know drug addicts, Pimps, women of the night, Drug dealers, the ones I knew had more character that they all. And the best person I have ever know has been a "Muslim" a student of Islam. He talked about wisdom. And told me to hold on because GOD was training me. And he was not talking about "ISlAM". we talk about wisdom, the wisdom of GOD and He said i never met a man you God had to send a Muslim to encourage,

 

[PloughBoy]

@PloughBoy

Greetings,



is that so?









Perhaps you ought to retract your last few posts? They are totally unnecessary.

You were asked , along with others, to stop making a mockery out of the Lord and you react with all that poor me, anti white talk, which is racist.

Stop it.

Nobody here has issues against any other Member for the color of their skin or the background of their relatives and nobody here has issues with your Mama or aunts or anyone else in your family [from what you post, often, you have big issues wth your own family] and nobody here deserves to be talked to wih such offensive accusatory venom.

I will ask you now, you personally PloughBoy, to stop using TalkJesus for your own agenda and stop making a mockery of the Lord.

Please do not write another long list of replies to counter this.


Bless you ....><>

you are right please delete the derogatory remarks posts , I am so sorry to use "talkJesus" platform to promote my agenda. to make "mockery of the Lord God" and insults regarding His son. and all the racial slurs. And forgive me, for doing the members with such great harm by deeds and words. for your rebukes are like precious Oil upon my head, and I will re main in quietness. Forgive me all of my footlessness. Like i have mention before when i am out line delete at your discretion with my full support. I am sorry Bear

 

[Shaolin]

Is addiction a sin or is it disease ?? that is the question, please back up your answer with Love and patience with those that do not agree with you, and of course scripture.

We can't really back up things about addiction because there are not Scriptures that address it. Here is the simple answer:

No one becomes addicted to something by partaking of it one time, there is a practice of sinful behavior involved. The more one partakes of that thing, the more addicted he will become. Jesus put it this way...

John 8:34 (ESV)
Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin.

A better rendering of the Greek here says...

John 8:34*
Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever practices sin makes himself a slave to sin."

A slave has no choice, so in a way, this could apply to addiction. Any addiction will eventually become a sin...you may be addicted to watching TV for hours and hours...and that is a sin because instead of watching hours of TV, you should be spending hours of time in God's presence with Him...it is sin because you are allowing TV to be a distraction keeping you from what you were saved for.

Hope that helps. Blessings

 

[Rhema]

you have accuse me of being high on drugs when i was high on the Holy Ghost,

Not true.

I asked a question.

And you're sure it's not the drugs ??

See? I even put two question marks there to help you figure it out. (It was a question...)

But I see you do base your salvation upon your feelings. That's unfortunate.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

No one becomes addicted to something by partaking of it one time,

Shaolin, I'm not sure that's true. Addiction speaks to chemical processes within the behavioral systems of the brain, and there seems to be certain genetic predispositions that respond with addictive behavior when certain chemical receptors are antagonized, even if only once. While not specific to addiction, I have had the experience whereby one pill of a certain medication (ONE PILL) reset my overall muscle tension when at rest - it altered certain "set points" in my brain that would trigger torticollis. It was completely unexpected and far from the norm. After my first chiropractic adjustment at age 30, I was an inch taller instantly and grew another inch over the next year (and wound up with a very hairy back). My point is that while the Psalmist says we are "fearfully and wonderfully made," the physical body is also horrifically complex and unpredictable, and I provide for you a simple chart of the Krebs cycle of chemical reactions that is in each and every cell of one's body:

Here's how one knows that willpower is nearly ineffective.... go ahead, use your willpower to grow hair on your head. Use willpower to stop your beard from growing. I am constantly amazed at how many Christians (present company excepted) think that bondage to sin can be broken by an individual's willpower. And, after all, isn't bondage to sin just another way of saying "addiction" ??

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.​

(Romans 7:14-17 KJV)​

Paul directly stated that " I " was not doing it, that it's not a matter of willpower, but that a "sin compulsion" causes people to sin. This is the bondage for which Jesus came to set us free.

(I am also constantly amazed at how many Christians are amazed that sinners sin. How could they help but not?)

Good to see you here,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

you are right please delete the derogatory remarks posts , I am so sorry to use "talkJesus" platform to promote my agenda. to make "mockery of the Lord God" and insults regarding His son. and all the racial slurs. And forgive me, for doing the members with such great harm by deeds and words. for your rebukes are like precious Oil upon my head, and I will re main in quietness. Forgive me all of my footlessness. Like i have mention before when i am out line delete at your discretion with my full support. I am sorry Bear

Brother PloughBoy, if God forgives you, who am I to do otherwise.

And trust me, it was not my intention to denigrate anyone's manner of praise and worship. You would be shocked at the hootin and hollerin' that I do. ( I even play the Australian Shofar.) And I have often preached myself happy to the point where the power of the Holy Spirit was present to both save and to heal. But your one post of praise was directed at me, as if I was incapable of such, and was just a thing to be scraped off the bottom of your shoe while dancing unto the Lord. And while the Joy of the LORD is our strength, it's no substitute for knowledge and wisdom, and it's not a validation that all our doctrines are right.

Rhema

(Sufficient unto the day are the mistakes I make.)

 

[Br. Bear]

Use willpower to stop your beard from growing.

wash your mouth out!

Please readers, do not follow the advice given regarding this preposterous use of one's will power.

 

[Br. Bear]

Brother PloughBoy,

@PloughBoy

please note


Bless you ....><>

 

[Rhema]

wash your mouth out!

Please readers, do not follow the advice given regarding this preposterous use of one's will power.

Wait. What ??

 

[Br. Bear]

Wait. What ??

the mere thought of it made my beard curl!!!