Stumbling in sin, versus falling away! Hebrews 6

[Dave M]

Hebrews 6
4. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5. and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6. if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

I firmly believe that this is referring to a person who is born again, who is on there way to heaven, NO one becomes a partaker of the Holy spirit unless they are born again. no one is truly enlightened unless they are born again.

IF they fall away, I always wondered what falling away was versus sinning, because I know if we sin we can repent.

But I never realized the last part of verse 6 tells me what falling away is. Him is the, Holy Spirit, YAW. So if we openly put him to shame, that is falling away and your done you can no longer repent. Now we can also tie this verse to.

Luke 12 -10
10. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

But repentance, when we are convicted by sin, we know we have a advocate in Jesus. That we can go to the thrown room of God by and through Jesus to ask for forgiveness.

John 2-1
1. My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

I do believe we are talking about loosing your salvation when you fall away, denying the power of God, openly denying the power of God.

I do believe that we all will stumble in sin on occasion, and it will convict us and turn to repent, and we will be forgiven.

I do believe every time Jesus says we must endure to the end he is speaking about salvation.

 

[Hannah1]

I have heard it explained as if you repent and you seem to not be able to, despite the best efforts, that there comes a point you can not.. that the heart got that hardened..
Then we have the lost son, who is welcomed by the Father..
There are plenty of people that knew the gospel and God and fell, for different reasons, or driven away, and then comes back to God and with a seal and the fruits are aoparent..

 

[Sue J Love]

Hebrews 6
4. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5. and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6. if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

I firmly believe that this is referring to a person who is born again, who is on there way to heaven, NO one becomes a partaker of the Holy spirit unless they are born again. no one is truly enlightened unless they are born again.

IF they fall away, I always wondered what falling away was versus sinning, because I know if we sin we can repent.

But I never realized the last part of verse 6 tells me what falling away is. Him is the, Holy Spirit, YAW. So if we openly put him to shame, that is falling away and your done you can no longer repent. Now we can also tie this verse to.

Luke 12 -10
10. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

But repentance, when we are convicted by sin, we know we have a advocate in Jesus. That we can go to the thrown room of God by and through Jesus to ask for forgiveness.

John 2-1
1. My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

I do believe we are talking about loosing your salvation when you fall away, denying the power of God, openly denying the power of God.

I do believe that we all will stumble in sin on occasion, and it will convict us and turn to repent, and we will be forgiven.

I do believe every time Jesus says we must endure to the end he is speaking about salvation.

Dave M - We read in the Scriptures that, as followers of Christ, it is possible that we might sin, but Jesus is our advocate, as you have already stated. But we also read in the Scriptures that the faith to believe in Christ is not of our own doing, but it comes from God, it is gifted to us by God, and it is persuaded of God. So God is the one to determine what that looks like. And His word teaches that if anyone would come after Him, he must deny self, take up his cross daily (die daily to sin and to self and suffer for the sake of righteousness) and follow Him in obedience. And then He goes on to say that we hold on to our old lives of sin, we will lose them for eternity, but if by faith in Christ we give up our lives of sin to follow our Lord in obedience to His commands, then we have life in Christ. Many Scriptures in the NT warn us that if sin is our practice, and not obedience to God, that we do not know God, we are not born of God, we are not in relationship with Jesus Christ, and we do not have salvation from sin and eternal life with God. And that is separating those who are of genuine faith from those who are not. But then it also talks about falling away which means we knew Christ, as you stated, and then we chose not to follow Christ, and that is a sin against the Holy Spirit. Because this is a person who has chosen to no longer be a follower of Christ. They have said "NO!" to God and "YES!" to sin and the flesh. And they have no intention of repenting. And God knows their hearts. He knows who has believed in him, had a temporary fall (like King David), but then repented and returned to the Lord, and who never knew Him to begin with although they professed His name, and those who did know Him but then turned away from Him never to return.