Hebrews 6 4. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5. and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6. if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
I firmly believe that this is referring to a person who is born again, who is on there way to heaven, NO one becomes a partaker of the Holy spirit unless they are born again. no one is truly enlightened unless they are born again.
IF they fall away, I always wondered what falling away was versus sinning, because I know if we sin we can repent.
But I never realized the last part of verse 6 tells me what falling away is. Him is the, Holy Spirit, YAW. So if we openly put him to shame, that is falling away and your done you can no longer repent. Now we can also tie this verse to.
Luke 12 -10 10. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
But repentance, when we are convicted by sin, we know we have a advocate in Jesus. That we can go to the thrown room of God by and through Jesus to ask for forgiveness.
John 2-1 1. My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
I do believe we are talking about loosing your salvation when you fall away, denying the power of God, openly denying the power of God.
I do believe that we all will stumble in sin on occasion, and it will convict us and turn to repent, and we will be forgiven.
I do believe every time Jesus says we must endure to the end he is speaking about salvation.
I have heard it explained as if you repent and you seem to not be able to, despite the best efforts, that there comes a point you can not.. that the heart got that hardened..
Then we have the lost son, who is welcomed by the Father..
There are plenty of people that knew the gospel and God and fell, for different reasons, or driven away, and then comes back to God and with a seal and the fruits are aoparent..
Hebrews 6 4. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5. and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6. if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
I firmly believe that this is referring to a person who is born again, who is on there way to heaven, NO one becomes a partaker of the Holy spirit unless they are born again. no one is truly enlightened unless they are born again.
IF they fall away, I always wondered what falling away was versus sinning, because I know if we sin we can repent.
But I never realized the last part of verse 6 tells me what falling away is. Him is the, Holy Spirit, YAW. So if we openly put him to shame, that is falling away and your done you can no longer repent. Now we can also tie this verse to.
Luke 12 -10 10. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
But repentance, when we are convicted by sin, we know we have a advocate in Jesus. That we can go to the thrown room of God by and through Jesus to ask for forgiveness.
John 2-1 1. My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
I do believe we are talking about loosing your salvation when you fall away, denying the power of God, openly denying the power of God.
I do believe that we all will stumble in sin on occasion, and it will convict us and turn to repent, and we will be forgiven.
I do believe every time Jesus says we must endure to the end he is speaking about salvation.
Dave M - We read in the Scriptures that, as followers of Christ, it is possible that we might sin, but Jesus is our advocate, as you have already stated. But we also read in the Scriptures that the faith to believe in Christ is not of our own doing, but it comes from God, it is gifted to us by God, and it is persuaded of God. So God is the one to determine what that looks like. And His word teaches that if anyone would come after Him, he must deny self, take up his cross daily (die daily to sin and to self and suffer for the sake of righteousness) and follow Him in obedience. And then He goes on to say that we hold on to our old lives of sin, we will lose them for eternity, but if by faith in Christ we give up our lives of sin to follow our Lord in obedience to His commands, then we have life in Christ. Many Scriptures in the NT warn us that if sin is our practice, and not obedience to God, that we do not know God, we are not born of God, we are not in relationship with Jesus Christ, and we do not have salvation from sin and eternal life with God. And that is separating those who are of genuine faith from those who are not. But then it also talks about falling away which means we knew Christ, as you stated, and then we chose not to follow Christ, and that is a sin against the Holy Spirit. Because this is a person who has chosen to no longer be a follower of Christ. They have said "NO!" to God and "YES!" to sin and the flesh. And they have no intention of repenting. And God knows their hearts. He knows who has believed in him, had a temporary fall (like King David), but then repented and returned to the Lord, and who never knew Him to begin with although they professed His name, and those who did know Him but then turned away from Him never to return.
Dave M - We read in the Scriptures that, as followers of Christ, it is possible that we might sin, but Jesus is our advocate, as you have already stated. But we also read in the Scriptures that the faith to believe in Christ is not of our own doing, but it comes from God, it is gifted to us by God, and it is persuaded of God. So God is the one to determine what that looks like. And His word teaches that if anyone would come after Him, he must deny self, take up his cross daily (die daily to sin and to self and suffer for the sake of righteousness) and follow Him in obedience. And then He goes on to say that we hold on to our old lives of sin, we will lose them for eternity, but if by faith in Christ we give up our lives of sin to follow our Lord in obedience to His commands, then we have life in Christ. Many Scriptures in the NT warn us that if sin is our practice, and not obedience to God, that we do not know God, we are not born of God, we are not in relationship with Jesus Christ, and we do not have salvation from sin and eternal life with God. And that is separating those who are of genuine faith from those who are not. But then it also talks about falling away which means we knew Christ, as you stated, and then we chose not to follow Christ, and that is a sin against the Holy Spirit. Because this is a person who has chosen to no longer be a follower of Christ. They have said "NO!" to God and "YES!" to sin and the flesh. And they have no intention of repenting. And God knows their hearts. He knows who has believed in him, had a temporary fall (like King David), but then repented and returned to the Lord, and who never knew Him to begin with although they professed His name, and those who did know Him but then turned away from Him never to return.
You are standing on both sides of the fence, you need to choose one. Either a true Christian can lose their salvation or they cannot.
Either we pass God's judgement of heart and mind Jer 17:9-11 and are gifted saving faith Rom 12:3, to believe Jesus is Lord 1 Cor 12:3, Rom 10:9 or we don't.
Hebrews 6 4. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5. and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6. if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
I firmly believe that this is referring to a person who is born again, who is on there way to heaven, NO one becomes a partaker of the Holy spirit unless they are born again. no one is truly enlightened unless they are born again.
IF they fall away, I always wondered what falling away was versus sinning, because I know if we sin we can repent.
But I never realized the last part of verse 6 tells me what falling away is. Him is the, Holy Spirit, YAW. So if we openly put him to shame, that is falling away and your done you can no longer repent. Now we can also tie this verse to.
Luke 12 -10 10. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
But repentance, when we are convicted by sin, we know we have a advocate in Jesus. That we can go to the thrown room of God by and through Jesus to ask for forgiveness.
John 2-1 1. My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
I do believe we are talking about loosing your salvation when you fall away, denying the power of God, openly denying the power of God.
I do believe that we all will stumble in sin on occasion, and it will convict us and turn to repent, and we will be forgiven.
I do believe every time Jesus says we must endure to the end he is speaking about salvation.
I am always amused by posts from non-OSAS believers who do not seem to grasp or care how much their cherry-picking of Scripture misrepresents God.
I just have one question for you.
Do you believe the Scriptures that say God is just? If you do, how can you teach non-OSAS? If you don't, have you torn these Scriptures from your Bible?
Job 34:12 It is unthinkable that God do what is evil or pervert justice.
Non-OSAS teaches that God is unjust, as it suggests that Person A, who repents of their sins, accepts Jesus, and is chosen by God to remain on earth to serve Jesus for 50 years, can in year 51 commit sins, fall away, and go to eternal punishment, while Person B can, like the criminal next to Jesus on the cross, repent of their sins only and receive eternal bliss.
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Unless you can grasp and deal directly with the above fact, it is pointless to discuss this with you, as you would demonstrate that you are unable to engage in a meaningful debate.
I am always amused by posts from non-OSAS believers who do not seem to grasp or care how much their cherry-picking of Scripture misrepresents God.
I just have one question for you.
Do you believe the Scriptures that say God is just? If you do, how can you teach non-OSAS? If you don't, have you torn these Scriptures from your Bible?
Job 34:12 It is unthinkable that God do what is evil or pervert justice.
Non-OSAS teaches that God is unjust, as it suggests that Person A, who repents of their sins, accepts Jesus, and is chosen by God to remain on earth to serve Jesus for 50 years, can in year 51 commit sins, fall away, and go to eternal punishment, while Person B can, like the criminal next to Jesus on the cross, repent of their sins only and receive eternal bliss.
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Unless you can grasp and deal directly with the above fact, it is pointless to discuss this with you, as you would demonstrate that you are unable to engage in a meaningful debate.
osas is of course true if you abide in Christ, but scripture teaches if you do not abide in Christ you will not inherit the kingdom of God. plain and simple.
osas is of course true if you abide in Christ, but scripture teaches if you do not abide in Christ you will not inherit the kingdom of God. plain and simple.
That is a contradictory statement. You are not giving a direct answer to my question. You are dancing.
Imagine telling someone, Jesus said to the criminal on the cross who repented of his sins, that ''tonight you will be with me in paradise and receive eternal bliss, for as long as you abide in me, the day you don't I will kick you out and gift you eternal punishment like a dog I never knew''. Gospel according to Dave?
Do you not understand that if non-OSAS / requirement to abide is true it means there is no such thing as ''eternal'' bliss.
Hebrews 6 4. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5. and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6. if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
I firmly believe that this is referring to a person who is born again, who is on there way to heaven, NO one becomes a partaker of the Holy spirit unless they are born again. no one is truly enlightened unless they are born again.
IF they fall away, I always wondered what falling away was versus sinning, because I know if we sin we can repent.
But I never realized the last part of verse 6 tells me what falling away is. Him is the, Holy Spirit, YAW. So if we openly put him to shame, that is falling away and your done you can no longer repent. Now we can also tie this verse to.
You already bold and underline the little big word 'IF". What this is saying that it is impossible to renew someone who WAS enlightened by the heavenly gift. Many people read this and think it is saying that it's impossible for someone to not fall away after they get that gift. That is because people believed that's once saved always saved which is not what the bible teaches. You can always changed your mind and there are examples of this in the bible.
1 Samuel 10: 6, 10 6 And the Spirit of the Lord will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.
10 And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them.
This is Saul who received the gift of the holy ghost. Which meant he tasted of the heavenly gift and he was enlightedned because he knew the truth. However he decided to turn away from GOD.
1 Samuel 16: 14 - 15 14 But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him.
15 And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.
See how GOD's holy spirit left Saul after he disobeyed GOD? Then God sent an evil spirit after him. GOD has not changed this is why he made this statement.
Matthew 12: 43 - 45 43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
Why would the unclean Spirit leave in the first place? Because this person cleaned themselves up with the blood of Christ and got the gift of the holy ghost. However these evil spirits are always looking to go back home. If they come back and see you no longer have the holy spirit then he brings with him more evil spirit and that's the reason why it's impossble to renew someone who knows the truth. There are 3 unpardonable sins according to the bible, you cannot do or you are finished
1. Sin willfully after receiving the truth. (you are putting Christ to open shame if you do that).
Hebrews 10: 26 - 29 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
This is how you put Christ to an open shame.
2. Blashpeme the holy ghost
3. Take the mark of the beast or worship his image
You are a dead man or woman walking if you do any of these three things, you can be forgiven for anything else.
Luke 12 -10 10. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
But repentance, when we are convicted by sin, we know we have a advocate in Jesus. That we can go to the thrown room of God by and through Jesus to ask for forgiveness.
There is a difference between someone who sins willfully and someone who blasphemes the holy ghost.
John 8: 3 - 11 3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her,Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her,Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Now Jesus just literally forgave this woman. Then he told her "go and sin no more". For the sake of the point I am trying to make if she went and committed adultery consistently then Jesus forgiving her meant nothing to her.
If you are truly sorry for having done wrong why go back and repeat the same thing over and over again? If that woman did that then she is classified as a willful sinner, not someone who blasphemed the holy ghost. John 5: 14 14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
What worst thing? Well if he sins again, them unclean spirits will destroy him. When Saul turned away from GOD them unclean spirits messed him up until the day of his death.
Concerning Luke 12
When you blaspheme the holy ghost that means you teach against the word of God even though you know the truth. For example if a ministers knows Israel holds the oracles of God and goes to church and teach that God has cast away Israel then that minister is blaspheming the holy ghost because the bible states otherwise.
Romans chapter 1 speaks about men who hold the truth in unrighteousness. Hopefully you read it already so I won't discuss it. The point is that they know GOD's truth but instead they teach contrary because their goal is to make money, not teach about salvation.
If you know you got to endure until the end then how can you speak as though someone is saved already? Denying the power of God isn't the only thing you can do that cause you to lose salvation.
But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
Therefore a lion from the forest will slay them,
A wolf of the deserts will destroy them,
A leopard is watching their cities.
Everyone who goes out of them will be torn in pieces,
Because their transgressions are many,
Their apostasies are numerous.
“Why should I pardon you?
Your sons have forsaken Me
And sworn by those who are not gods.
When I had fed them to the full,
They committed adultery
And trooped to the harlot’s house.
I believe many are following the ways of man and their feelings over the ways of the Lord..
People seem to just choose the part of the word that come easy to them that allow them to be comfortable to mingle with Darkness instead of turning from it..
Many follow man sadly...most Synagogues (churches) keep their people spiritually immature the leader cant show them the way cause they themselves have not entered through the door.. they are simply peddlers of the word the seol the Lord week in n week out to feed themselves their worldly desires..
Many follow a deceiving Spirit n dont know it cause they have not allowed the Lord to lead them .
We are all just brothers and sisters no one is above another its written my nation is a nation of priest.. priest dont pay tides to another priest...im just saying...
Did ya know the purpose of the building was to protect the Altar it was the Alter that was named not the building..im j.s.
