NIV

[ushalk]

chad i agree with you we have to be very careful. however if your last post is reguarding what i wrote concerning the chip or the mark of the beast, i am asking now to be able to put up the video address for that so people can see it for themselves.

as far as the other tranlations go there are a couple that i have not used myself so i am in total agreement with you there.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Is there a Gideons version of the Bible? The last Gideon Bible I read was in the King James version.

SLE

 

[DeaconBob3]

Gideons International is an evangelical Christian organization dedicated to distributing copies of the Bible in over 80 languages and more than 180 countries of the world to those who might not otherwise encounter it, most famously in hotel and motel rooms

A typical Gideon Bible or New Testament will contain:

a short preface;
an apparatus suggesting Bible verses which may be of assistance in various sorts of trouble;
translations of John 3:16 into a variety of different languages and scripts;
the Bible text itself (the King James Version translation is currently favored), without notes, references, or any other reference matter other than chapter and verse headings — this can either be the full Bible (typical of the copies placed in hotel rooms with the expectation the copy will remain in that room, rather than be taken by any one guest), or just the New Testament, Psalms, and Proverbs (typical of the copies handed out as gifts to particular individuals);
a short description of biblical salvation, with biblical quotations, and generally a place for the reader to sign and date his confession of Jesus (this is especially common in the shorter editions of just the New Testament and Psalms). Source:gideons.xxx on the web

 

[MAJ52653]

Is there a Gideons version of the Bible? The last Gideon Bible I read was in the King James version.

SLE

The Gideons not only do King James but also the 'Modern Language Berkeley Version', which bombed in the market place. It did so badly (for some unknown reason) that about the only place you can get one is to swipe a Gideon's from a hotel room that has one. (I don't recommend this.)

Talk about getting off the point and ignoring one at the same time!

The King James Version could have been protected by the British Crown as Lance described, even before copyright laws were enacted. But the British Crown decided only to protect it in the United Kingdom and allow the text to be freely published in English elsewhere in the world.

The revised bibles, NKJV, NaSV, Amplified, NLT, NIV all have copyrights and in order to get them the Bible societies and the translators "HAD TO CHANGE the Content in a substantial way" in order for the government to issue a copyright.

The BIBLE tells us that we have to choose to either follow God or Mammon. It also warns us not to change the word or receive the curses defined in the text. If this is an area of study or interest to you, then read Gayle Riplingers' books and decide for your selves, but do not minimize or devalue my words out of indifference or ignorance or human logic. Pray and let the Holy Spirit teach you of the truth that I have written about. Then and only then decide!

The primary issue is very very simple. To get a copyright issued, the Bible societies had to show the government that their version of the Bible was substantially different than the original (KJV or AV). The question then becomes were they serving God or Mammon? Who profited from the copyright? God or the Publisher and the Bible Society?

Chad's original post shows us how the changes in the NIV perverts the Word of God. My posts show us why and for what purpose the Word was perverted.

I, however, raise a broader and more compelling question if you think about it. Why did men (Bible Societies and Translators) need to get the approval of "Other Men" (Our Govvernment/Mammon) for the copyright on their version of the 'word' of God?? For whose benefit was this done?

How were these other Bibles changed? (For detailed answers to these and other questions, please read G.A, Riplingers' Books). The NIV is not the only corrupt text of the "Word."

God Bless

Actually the only 'substantial changes' necessary were to 1) do it in modern English, and 2) use the tens of thousands of manuscripts archaeologists found since the King James was done. That's all.

 

[MAJ52653]

The KJV Denies that Jesus is God

Picking out isolated verses, ignoring the manuscript evidence, and declaring that the NIV or other translations than the KJV deny that Jesus is God is cheating. After all, there are dozens of verses in the NIV that do say flat out that Jesus is God.

So let us see what we can find if we apply this fraudulent methodology to the KJV. Oh, dear. Look. The deity of Christ is obscured, nay, denied in the KJV rendering of Titus 2:13 and 2 Peter 1:1. These verses split God and Jesus.

Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Both verses in the NIV say “our God and Savior, Jesus Christ. See in both verses, the NIV insists that Jesus is our God and Savior, while that KJV splits them.

Of course you can find plenty of verses that do not split them. You can easily find oodles of verses in the KJV that insist that Jesus is God.

That is the whole point. You shouldn’t play word games, ignore translator’s notes and manuscript evidence to commit slander against Christian Bible translators.

 

[baruch]

I've been following this thread with interest, and am a bit perplexed at some posts attacking the NIV translation, even to the point of great sadness at how some are treating the word of God!
How can you justify throwing the word of God into the trashcan??????
Many years ago, I studied how the bible came down to us from ancient manuscripts. The Hebrew scribes who copied the scriptures, who, if they made even a small mistake, did not throw it into the trash but, gave it a funeral service. It was treated as "Living"
When old scrolls became unreadable, they did the same. This was reverence for the living word of God!

 

[Chad]

I've been following this thread with interest, and am a bit perplexed at some posts attacking the NIV translation, even to the point of great sadness at how some are treating the word of God!
How can you justify throwing the word of God into the trashcan??????
Many years ago, I studied how the bible came down to us from ancient manuscripts. The Hebrew scribes who copied the scriptures, who, if they made even a small mistake, did not throw it into the trash but, gave it a funeral service. It was treated as "Living"
When old scrolls became unreadable, they did the same. This was reverence for the living word of God!

Let me get this straight. You had a funeral over a physical book? To correct you, the "Living Word" is Jesus Christ, not the physical book. The message in the bible is sacred, not the papers and covers. Don't idolize material. Secondly, in case you have not realized by now, we live in the age of great deceit where the devil is trying harder to deceive even the elect believers. Don't be foolish and assume every translation is in for the Word of GOD entirely. Read the original post carefully.

If anyone is perplexed is me over your funeral of a book. Can you show me Scripture to back up this tradition of yours?

If you actually read the original post carefully, you'll see the purpose of the thread. I love the Word of GOD more than you can comprehend. I love Jesus more than your limited knowledge can tell but I also love to respect GOD and being responsible as an administrator for the sheep here on Talk Jesus, I try my best to make sure only TRUTH is spoken here on the forums. That means, we must expose the lies (with the help of the Holy Spirit in all we do) in certain books or translations. Books = by supposed Christian authors. Translations = not all are going to be with good motives. The NIV is obvious.

If you even think that just because a translation of the Bible is made, its automatically "Living Word of GOD" then your wrong. Do you also think the Mormon's "bible" is truth? Do you think JW's bible is truth? Do not be fooled. Somehow you don't feel something is wrong that a company (Harper) who owns the NIV also owns and publishes the Satanic Bible? Tell me, do you think GOD put the "Living Word" in their hands to translate into what is now the NIV?

The Holy Spirit is the Author and the only authority that validates the Word of GOD as genuine from GOD.

 

[DeaconBob3]

Amen brother Chad. Amen

Not enough consideration is given to the issue of the deceiving nature of the devil. His greatest feat has been to convince many that he simply does not exist. To assume that the devil has not sought to influence the translation of and the content of the Word of God, would be a serious mistake. It would leave us open to being misled and deceived in these final days.

 

[KJV]

I have been an "AV" man for about a ten years, after getting saved and reading the NKJV, NIV, Goodnews and NASB. I struggled with the issue of which one (out of about 2-300 versions in english) was the preserved, infallible, inerrant, inspired word and words of God. I knew they couldn't all be as they were all different.
I really prayed about it and decided I would read a different one each day as well as the JKV (which I had been told was archaic so I couldn't understand it so I hadn't read for about two years). I read one a day and when I got to the KJV I sensed real power from it and I believed the Holy Spirit stirred my spirit to confirm this was the pure WORDS of God. I say words because this seems to be the biblical emphasis not abstract word or message.
I also took NT Greek lessons at the same time and the teacher showed us the difference between the Traditional Greek text, called the Recieved Text and the modern critical text; which is the source for the omissions and corruptions in the modern versions. Since then I have read most of the books on this issue both for and against.
I believe the KJV is the perfect word of God in English. Other languages have the pure word of God when faithfully translated from the right texts, in the right way.
It is interesting, that the people I have seen change from the NIV and other versions to the KJV found it easier to understand and felt the LORD speaking to them more powerfully through it.
May God bless you to seek him with all your heart, mind and strenght and to consider the possibility that he has preserved his word in the universal language of our time and in the greatest work of literature in english, if not any language; and confirmed it by, among many other evidences, its providential usage and blessing for the nearly 400 years.

 

[baruch]

Let me get this straight. You had a funeral over a physical book? To correct you, the "Living Word" is Jesus Christ, not the physical book. The message in the bible is sacred, not the papers and covers. Don't idolize material. Secondly, in case you have not realized by now, we live in the age of great deceit where the devil is trying harder to deceive even the elect believers. Don't be foolish and assume every translation is in for the Word of GOD entirely. Read the original post carefully.

If anyone is perplexed is me over your funeral of a book. Can you show me Scripture to back up this tradition of yours?

If you actually read the original post carefully, you'll see the purpose of the thread. I love the Word of GOD more than you can comprehend. I love Jesus more than your limited knowledge can tell but I also love to respect GOD and being responsible as an administrator for the sheep here on Talk Jesus, I try my best to make sure only TRUTH is spoken here on the forums. That means, we must expose the lies (with the help of the Holy Spirit in all we do) in certain books or translations. Books = by supposed Christian authors. Translations = not all are going to be with good motives. The NIV is obvious.

If you even think that just because a translation of the Bible is made, its automatically "Living Word of GOD" then your wrong. Do you also think the Mormon's "bible" is truth? Do you think JW's bible is truth? Do not be fooled. Somehow you don't feel something is wrong that a company (Harper) who owns the NIV also owns and publishes the Satanic Bible? Tell me, do you think GOD put the "Living Word" in their hands to translate into what is now the NIV?

The Holy Spirit is the Author and the only authority that validates the Word of GOD as genuine from GOD.

The translators of the NIV had many more manuscripts to call on than the KJV had. If your copy of the NIV has footnoots, you will find alternatives.
Yes, you are correct, Jesus is The Living Word! And how do we first come to know this, by reading His Word.
The first bible I bought was a KJV, I came to Christ Jesus through reading it.
Right now, I have a Good News Bible(my favourite) an RSV and the NIV(Gideons) When I study, I check different Translations on biblegateway.com.
Chad, I am in no doubt that you love our Lord Jesus. Yes I may have a limited knowledge. I don't know everything, if I did, I'd rejoice, as I would be with The LORD now.
If I have offended you, I humbly beg your pardon. Baruch

 

[Chad]

You did not offend me and doubt you offended anyone. We're here to teach other and learn in the Lord. We all grow, learn, rebuke and of course make some mistakes along the way. As lon as we seek the Holy Spirit, we're ok. We really need to be careful of what we speak and what we teach. We have the Word of GOD in our hands, what will we do with it? Treat it right, preach it right in truth, and in Spirit.

GOD bless you brother

 

[spirit1st]

YES , I agree Chad!
But , I never knew it until yesterday, I heard a preacher , teaching against it !
I never read it , so I never knew there was a difference!
Glad to see your post!

 

[KJV]

The NIV didn't work from "manuscripts" but from the latest printed editions of the critical Greek texts. The differences were there at the time of the KJV but they and the reformers rejected them as corrupt perversions.
The text which the reformed bibles used is still the majority text, having the most textual evidance backing it up.
We are never told to be textual scholars judging the words of God, but we are meant to let them judge us. We can only do this when we recieve with meekness the engrafted word; that is the traditional "recieved" texts in Greek and Hebrew and the faithful translations thereof. This logic of faith leeds us, I believe, to reject the modern versions and recieve the KJV and other good bibles.

 

[spirit1st]

When I was born again , I had ask GOD moments before if the bible was real
And in my mind , I was thinking of the KING JAMES!
So I have followed it ever since and have been taught by OUR LORD , out of it!
And have pretty much experianced everything the first Brothers and Sisters have!
Except , I NEVER walked on water!
I tried it once! I sunk!

I thought if all these things have taken place?

Why not that?
I sunk.LOL

I Do not think we have the correct meaning of the old greek or hebrew any more?
We do not have anyone who live 2000 more or less years ago .

So , I trust the HOLY GHOST to teach and guide me in scripture and though life!

 

[willb]

I have done a lot of research recently on bible versions (i want the one most accurate).

I now think that the modern versions are not so good - the manuscripts they are based on are filled with errors.

That leaves the KJV and the NKJV, for me the KJV is not a option the language i cannot follow and the words are obsolete in so many places. So for me that leaves the NKJV which is the bible im going to try to use from now on. I have being using the ESV which is a great translation - based on the manuscripts it uses, which are unfortunalty flawed.

I am not dogmatic on this however, i know God can speak through the NIV many Christians i know use it and hear His voice through it, i just want something that holds as close to the original as possible. I would say to people use which is most comfortable to you, pray about it and research it.

 

[ladylovesJesus]

No translation is perfect not even the KJV. They are all versions.

Like you say the NIV is read by many Christians and I used it a lot and have learnt so much and grown in my faith. I like to read what makes more sense to read and get more out of it. We do need the Holy Spirit to help us and speak to us as we read any Bible. The original is written in a language which is foreign to us.

The NKJV study Bible is meant to be a good one to read too.

God bless

:rainbow: :rose:

 

[Chad]

Something to keep in mind folks...

There is a huge difference (based on motives) between a sincere Christian-committee backed translation based on original Greek/Hebrew and a publisher like Harper Collins who is in it for the money, hence they even publish the "Satanic Bible". Two different motives, two different worlds.

The Holy Spirit is with the sincere Christian based committee who translate the Word into modern English.

 

[willb]

Something to keep in mind folks...

There is a huge difference (based on motives) between a sincere Christian-committee backed translation based on original Greek/Hebrew and a publisher like Harper Collins who is in it for the money, hence they even publish the "Satanic Bible". Two different motives, two different worlds.

The Holy Spirit is with the sincere Christian based committee who translate the Word into modern English.

True but remember the NIV was done that way - international bible society. I agree with what you say through, that just popped in my head when you mentioned that.

Out of curiosity which versions do you like?.

God bless.

 

[evangeline]

Hi Chad and everyone,

The real question here (I think) is the reliablilty of the Greek manuscripts from which the Bible versions were translated from.

The KJV and the NKJV are translated from the Majority Text also know as Textus receptus, Received Text or Byzantine Text, etc.

The NIV and NASB and some others are translated from newer Greek Editions which actually are derived from more ancient manuscripts than the Majority Text, some dating back to the 2nd century.

We know for absolute certain that the Majority text has been handled a lot by many people, some of whom edited and altered some verses. (This fact is undisputed.) For instance Martin Luther added some words that we know of, and the Dutch theologian, Erasmus, under much political pressure added the section in 1 John 5:8. We know too that Junia's gender was changed in the 13th century by a monk.

Having said that, the words that were added are mostly in line with Christian theology and pose no real theological problem, in fact I can imagine that the new inclusions were done by some well meaning (though misguided) people who wanted to emphasise some wonderful truth. So its not really that the NIV has deleted certian verses (and there are quite a few verses involved in this) it's that people progressively added them to the Majority Text used in the KJV.

It is also important to note that King James himself had some real personal agendas that he wanted addressed in the new translation that he authorised. (You can easily check these out on a webiste.) The KJV is not the perfect version that most people seem to think it is, the translators were well aware of their shortcomings and it had to be revised many times. Also the KJV was not the first English bible translation. (Some people seem to think that because it was the first it must be the best, but it was neither the first or the best.)

I am not a fan of the NIV because it is a fairly dynamic translation - not particularly literal. If you want a more literal translation of the most reliable Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, I don't think you can go past the NASB. (The New American Standard Bible.) In this Bible any words that needed to be added for clarity are written in italics so you can more easily see what the original authors wrote, and wa.

(The Message is not a Bible translation but someone's very personal interpretation.)


evangeline

 

[Cody]

Here are some sermons I found dealing with the KJV Controversy.