A Simple Question

[Rhema]

There is one church whose dotrines follow the teachings of Jesus to the letter.

Bill, out of all that you've written, I think this to be the most delusional.

Nearly all here despise that church.

As if there aren't reasons....

And recieving the Eucharist in its fulness.

Were you to know the true significance of the Bread and Wine, you would be shamed by your words here. I had thought you to be enlightened in your comprehension, but I see I was sorely mistaken.

As what was written concerning the church Jesus started via Peter
Matthew 18:18-21 New Living Translation (NLT)
“I tell you the truth, whatever you forbid on earth will be forbidden in heaven, and whatever you permit on earth will be permitted in heaven.

A proof that the church is lost. It's not that they misunderstand what is written, it's that they cannot even read what is written.

Truly I say to you all, whatever things you all bind on the earth shall be having been bound in heaven, and whatever things you all loose on the earth shall be having been loosed in heaven.​

(Matthew 18:18 Rhema)

As what was written concerning the church Jesus started via Peter

But you got the passage wrong, Bill. You wanted Matthew 16:17-19

And Jesus answering said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. ​

(Matthew 16:17-19 DRB)

Yet even that passage is wrong -

... and whatever you(singular) might bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever you(singular) might loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.'​

(Matthew 18:18 Rhema)

There is a world of difference between guaranteeing a divine endorsement of Peter's actions and promising that his actions, when guided by the Holy Spirit, will be in accord with the Heavenly pattern!

When you make these sweeping grandiose declarations, Bill, at least get your facts straight.

Blessings brother,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

No such appointment was made, Mt 16:18 is misinterpreted.

As well as mistranslated !!

... and whatever you(singular) might bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever you(singular) might loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.'​

(Matthew 18:18 Rhema)

There is a world of difference between guaranteeing a divine endorsement of Peter's actions and promising that his actions, when guided by the Holy Spirit, will be in accord with the Heavenly pattern!

Blessings brother,
Rhema

 

[Dylan569]

Just a simple question....Would you rather follow your churches doctrines or the Bible? I've gotten some interesting answers to this question.

What do you mean by "churches doctrines"? Are you speaking of a denomination's authoritative Creed, Confession of Faith, Catechism, etc., or some independent church whose doctrine in some ways, seem to change as the Pastors change. If by "churches doctrines" you mean a Catechism, Confession, Creed or such; I do not see it as an "either-or" question with an biblically accurate Confession of Faith.

I hold to the 1644/1646 First London Confession of Faith because I find it is the closest in agreement with the Bible of any of the Confessions or Creeds that go into much detail. So, I suppose I "follow" that Confession on the topics of which it speaks, as so far I find it agrees on all points so far that I have studied, which is largely all of the Confession. To give an idea of the philosophy of the Confession, I'll present the Introduction and the Conclusion of the Confession:

Introduction:
"A confession of faith of seven congregations or churches of Christ in London, which are commonly, but unjustly, called Anabaptists; published for the vindication of the truth and information of the ignorant; likewise for the taking off those aspersions which are frequently, both in pulpit and print, unjustly cast upon them. Printed in London, Anno 1646."

While this is considered by most as the first Baptist Confession, the label Baptist is not used by the authors, only "churches of Christ".

Conclusion:
"Thus we desire to give unto Christ that which is His; and unto all lawful authority that which is their due; and to owe nothing to any man but love; to live quietly and peaceably, as it becometh saints, endeavoring in all things to keep a good conscience, and to do unto every man (of what judgment soever) as we would they should do unto us, that as our practice is, so it may prove us to be a conscionable [viz., reasonable], quiet, and harmless people (no ways dangerous or troublesome to human society) and to labor and work with our hands that we may not be chargeable to any, but to give to him that needeth, both friends and enemies, accounting it more excellent to give than to receive. Also we confess, that we know but in part, and that we are ignorant of many things which we desire and seek to know; and if any shall do us that friendly part to show us from the word of God that which we see not, we shall have cause to be thankful to God and them; but if any man shall impose upon us anything that we see not to be commanded by our Lord Jesus Christ, we should in His strength rather embrace all reproaches and tortures of men, to be stripped of all outward comforts, and if it were possible, to die a thousand deaths, rather than to do anything against the least tittle of the truth of God or against the light of our own consciences. And if any shall call what we have said heresy, then do we with the Apostle acknowledge, that after the way they call heresy, worship we the God of our fathers, disclaiming all heresies (rightly so called) because they are against Christ, and to be stedfast and unmoveable, always abounding in obedience to Christ, as knowing our labor shall not be in vain in the Lord."

The Confession with its Scripture basis can be read at this link:

First London Confession of 1646 | Reformed Theology at A Puritan's Mind

The scripture proofs can easily be seen by hovering the cursor over each one.

 

[Rhema]

I am glad you asked

You won't be.

But this becomes the perfect example of the OP, when pondering if one is to follow a church's doctrine or the Bible.

In the King James Version, the scripture where Jesus tells Peter that "everything that he declares on Earth will be declared in heaven" is found in Matthew 16:19 which reads, ...

Both the KJV, and the DRB, et. al. are wrong. Of the common translations available, at least the Young's literal shows the correct verb construction of the Perfect Passive Participle-

and I will give to thee the keys of the reign of the heavens, and whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.'​

(Matthew 16:19 YLT)

Y'all think some divine appointment as leader was bestowed upon Peter here? One should remember that the Janitor is given the keys.

And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all. ​

(Mark 9:35 KJV)

But be not ye called Rabbi (or Priest or Bishop or Pope or "Father" or Pastor): for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.​

(Matthew 23:8 KJV)

Peter became the leader of the apostles and is often described as their spokesperson in the gospels.

And yet Peter's pronouncement in Acts 15 was overruled by James the brother of Jesus. (Things always go sideways, don't they.)

It is widely held that Saint Peter was the first Pope of Rome.

And yet Peter's ossuary was found in Jerusalem.....

All Popes are generally considered as the successors of the Saint.

Do you realize that the word Pope is Latin for "the chief (pagan) priest who cuts the throat of animals offered to the gods"? I'd post the cover photo and the entry in my Latin dictionary, but I don't believe this site gives general members that ability.

The Roman Church protested the authority of the Patriarchs in the true continued Church of the Roman Empire (which y'all know as the Eastern Orthodox Church... not to be confused with the Church of the East founded by the Apostle Thomas) because the Pope thought himself to be somebody special.

The Reformation would never have happened if Rome had not crippled the economy of Germany by sucking all the money out through the sale of indulgences to plaster Peter's Basilica with gold and marble. (What human hubris.)

Matters of the church were not settled by "a Pope," but even as of 325 AD were decided upon by a convocation of Bishops throughout the Roman Empire where all had equal vote. (Though some thought themselves to be more equal than others.)

If any church in the West has Apostolic Authority and Apostolic Lineage it would be the Eastern Orthodox Church. The only church, though, to have true Apostolic Succession is that of the Church of the East, founded in the Parthian Empire by the Apostle Thomas, who spread the gospel down into the Jewish communities along the western coast of India.

Historical records suggest that the Apostles Peter and Paul traveled to Antioch and then to Rome to preach the Word of God. These texts also suggest that after founding the Church in Rome, they appointed Pope Linus as their immediate successor. The chair used by Peter in Rome for all his sermons was preserved and celebrated for years to come in commemoration of him being the first Pope of Rome.

And a piece of the true cross was used to make George Washington's wooden dentures.

Knowing your Christian heritage helps understand why and where we are today.

Not if that heritage is a pure science fiction circus.

There are a number of Scholarly people here. Might i suggest talking with Rhema, Brad Huber, David, Bill ( the other Bill) and especially Christ4ever ( a moderator)

Well if nothing else, thank you for the endorsement, Bill, but I have yet to find out whether anyone else here has attended seminary. I have my suspicions about @B-A-C (but I think he's playing it close to the vest).

Blessings,
Janitor Rhema

 

[Rhema]

I hold to the 1644/1646 First London Confession of Faith

Wasn't that written in the middle of the civil war?

What death and destruction hath their religion wrought.

Rhema

Shall I parry with the Augsburg confession?
Or the wonderful truth that the Pilgrim Puritanists hijacked the Mayflower?

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

There is one church whose dotrines follow the teachings of Jesus to the letter. Nearly all here despise that church.

It follows the teachings of the Bible completely, everything handed down by the apostles. And was appointed by Jesus though Peter. Even the parts in Scripture that tell us to call Mary the Mother of Jesus Blessed. And recieving the Eucharist in its fulness.

As what was written concerning the church Jesus started via Peter
Matthew 18:18-21 New Living Translation (NLT)
“I tell you the truth, whatever you forbid on earth will be forbidden in heaven, and whatever you permit on earth will be permitted in heaven.

Bill I don't know which church you're referring to but I know that I have never seen any church that adheres to the Word...They all go off somewhere

 

[Bill]

Bill, out of all that you've written, I think this to be the most delusional.

As if there aren't reasons....

Were you to know the true significance of the Bread and Wine, you would be shamed by your words here. I had thought you to be enlightened in your comprehension, but I see I was sorely mistaken.

A proof that the church is lost. It's not that they misunderstand what is written, it's that they cannot even read what is written.

Truly I say to you all, whatever things you all bind on the earth shall be having been bound in heaven, and whatever things you all loose on the earth shall be having been loosed in heaven.​

(Matthew 18:18 Rhema)


But you got the passage wrong, Bill. You wanted Matthew 16:17-19

And Jesus answering said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. ​

(Matthew 16:17-19 DRB)

Yet even that passage is wrong -

... and whatever you(singular) might bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever you(singular) might loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.'​

(Matthew 18:18 Rhema)

There is a world of difference between guaranteeing a divine endorsement of Peter's actions and promising that his actions, when guided by the Holy Spirit, will be in accord with the Heavenly pattern!

When you make these sweeping grandiose declarations, Bill, at least get your facts straight.

Blessings brother,
Rhema

Don't blame me on the passages I thought everyone here liked reading the King James version so I used the King James version

 

[Bill]

Bill I don't know which church you're referring to but I know that I have never seen any church that adheres to the Word...They all go off somewhere

Well not many churches honor Mary, that is true. All those churches will fail in the near future .

It will simply be this, you will either stand with God, or you will not. There will be no middle ground, no more arguing - all this that we see now - the back and forth will all be gone . And it isn't going to be because of the second coming of Jesus. It's going to be because of the Great Day of the Lord. Which is also known as The Sixth Seal.

It will happen over a 3-day period. Every man woman and child will know where they stand with God. God will show them how he sees them, in their sins or in God's grace. Many will commit suicide. The fear of this particular day is so great that many will commit suicide before they have a chance to see God's view of them.

The one thing that will stand out the most, is the fact that your faith will disappear, or at least the faith that you thought you have now will disappear because it will become the faith that angels have. The faith of knowing without a doubt that God is real.

Those who live for the false teaching of the rapture will surely think that they are ready to go. But when it is revealed to them that they are not the first to be received into heaven but the last to be received into heaven, because they thought they were greater than everyone else. Because of this many will reject God.

I know that all of you don't think this is possible, many of you are real firm Believers of the rapture. You will mail me to the wall and tell me how sure you are that this is going to happen. But the pre-tribulation Rapture does not exist it's a false teaching. The only time that we experience a rapture is that the return of Jesus.

I tell you this now to try to help you prepare yourself for what is coming. Because I tell you that every Christian that survives to that time, the time of choosing the mark of the beast. That moment will be your greatest challenge as a Christian. You might fluff it off now, thinking oh I got all the faith in the world. You have no idea what you're talking about.

The greatest challenge to all Christians is not to take the mark of the beast. It is an automatic death sentence to hell. It is a sin against the Holy Spirit.

You will have preachers that will tell you it's okay to take the mark of the beast. Don't listen to them. They will sit there and tell you, because you are a born again Christian the mark of the beast will not affect you. But that scripture is specifically written not for the pagans not for the unbelievers but for us the Christians.

 

[Bill]

You won't be.

But this becomes the perfect example of the OP, when pondering if one is to follow a church's doctrine or the Bible.


Both the KJV, and the DRB, et. al. are wrong. Of the common translations available, at least the Young's literal shows the correct verb construction of the Perfect Passive Participle-

and I will give to thee the keys of the reign of the heavens, and whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.'​

(Matthew 16:19 YLT)

Y'all think some divine appointment as leader was bestowed upon Peter here? One should remember that the Janitor is given the keys.

And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all. ​

(Mark 9:35 KJV)

But be not ye called Rabbi (or Priest or Bishop or Pope or "Father" or Pastor): for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.​

(Matthew 23:8 KJV)


And yet Peter's pronouncement in Acts 15 was overruled by James the brother of Jesus. (Things always go sideways, don't they.)


And yet Peter's ossuary was found in Jerusalem.....


Do you realize that the word Pope is Latin for "the chief (pagan) priest who cuts the throat of animals offered to the gods"? I'd post the cover photo and the entry in my Latin dictionary, but I don't believe this site gives general members that ability.

The Roman Church protested the authority of the Patriarchs in the true continued Church of the Roman Empire (which y'all know as the Eastern Orthodox Church... not to be confused with the Church of the East founded by the Apostle Thomas) because the Pope thought himself to be somebody special.

The Reformation would never have happened if Rome had not crippled the economy of Germany by sucking all the money out through the sale of indulgences to plaster Peter's Basilica with gold and marble. (What human hubris.)

Matters of the church were not settled by "a Pope," but even as of 325 AD were decided upon by a convocation of Bishops throughout the Roman Empire where all had equal vote. (Though some thought themselves to be more equal than others.)

If any church in the West has Apostolic Authority and Apostolic Lineage it would be the Eastern Orthodox Church. The only church, though, to have true Apostolic Succession is that of the Church of the East, founded in the Parthian Empire by the Apostle Thomas, who spread the gospel down into the Jewish communities along the western coast of India.


And a piece of the true cross was used to make George Washington's wooden dentures.


Not if that heritage is a pure science fiction circus.


Well if nothing else, thank you for the endorsement, Bill, but I have yet to find out whether anyone else here has attended seminary. I have my suspicions about @B-A-C (but I think he's playing it close to the vest).

Blessings,
Janitor Rhema

I know that you do not know what you are talking about. But when it becomes clear to you, you will. And I will pray for you

 

[Bill]

Bill, out of all that you've written, I think this to be the most delusional.

As if there aren't reasons....

Were you to know the true significance of the Bread and Wine, you would be shamed by your words here. I had thought you to be enlightened in your comprehension, but I see I was sorely mistaken.

A proof that the church is lost. It's not that they misunderstand what is written, it's that they cannot even read what is written.

Truly I say to you all, whatever things you all bind on the earth shall be having been bound in heaven, and whatever things you all loose on the earth shall be having been loosed in heaven.​

(Matthew 18:18 Rhema)


But you got the passage wrong, Bill. You wanted Matthew 16:17-19

And Jesus answering said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. ​

(Matthew 16:17-19 DRB)

Yet even that passage is wrong -

... and whatever you(singular) might bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever you(singular) might loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.'​

(Matthew 18:18 Rhema)

There is a world of difference between guaranteeing a divine endorsement of Peter's actions and promising that his actions, when guided by the Holy Spirit, will be in accord with the Heavenly pattern!

When you make these sweeping grandiose declarations, Bill, at least get your facts straight.

Blessings brother,
Rhema

Rhema, kind of disappointed in you. I thought you had a better understanding of scripture. But that's okay for now.

On the Great Day of the Lord things will be revealed to you and you'll understand.

I will look forward to seeing you in heaven, and then I will show you the Chocolate Tree. LOL

 

[Rhema]

Don't blame me on the passages I thought everyone here liked reading the King James version so I used the King James version

Out of all of that you think my intent was to throw the KJV under the bus? (Not that that passage doesn't deserve to be.)

But you can include most all of the English translations, save for Young't Literal (admitting I have not checked the New Jerusalem Bible).

and I will give to thee the keys of the reign of the heavens, and whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.'​

(Matthew 16:19 YLT)

Many member here consider me a near heretic for "questioning" their religious comfort totem (the Bible) and yet if these could only see the inherent theological bias in their favorite version(s) we might actually be able to grow towards a unity of the faith regarding what Jesus actually taught.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

But the pre-tribulation Rapture does not exist it's a false teaching. The only time that we experience a rapture is that the return of Jesus.

.... when those who do iniquity disappear....

 

[Rhema]

Rhema, kind of disappointed in you

As if the feeling isn't mutual. The difference, of course, is that I provide well written arguments and supportive sources.

The Janitor, you realize, cleans up the the messes that others make.


Rhema
(You're not paying me enough.)

 

[Bill]

As if the feeling isn't mutual. The difference, of course, is that I provide well written arguments and supportive sources.

The Janitor, you realize, cleans up the the messes that others make.


Rhema
(You're not paying me enough.)

I don't pay you anything, nor do i expect anything from God to serve Him.

You know that's a problem with many Christians, that they feel that because they do something for God that they should get something from God.

It's actually the wrong way of thinking.

You should do good for others not because you expect to get something from God. You should do good for others because you want to.

I will say this grandma , ( LOL, ever use voice to chat with your name)
I will say this Rhema, I believe that you're sincerity is similar to my own..
I think sometimes that God quietly says to the two of us, when are you guys going to work together.

My dad worked as a self-employed janitor for years, all my life in fact until he passed away. But I also know that during his lifetime he gave us complete life to God. Everything that he did he always offered up to God.

He was born in 1916, had Polio as a child. He was not allowed to fight during World War II while he watched all his friends go off to war. He had some physical ailments that prevented him. He had a beautiful baritone voice, to which he sang in the Detroit Opera. Involved with operettas like babes and Toyland and naughty Marietta and Rose Marie and a number of others. But he always offered everything up to God.

He was extremely prayful, and always prayed for others. He never let the burdens of his ailments which were many become a burden to others. He had a fluttering heart that would stop every once in awhile and then restart. He had varicose veins that were really severe. He had what is called tunnel vision from the polio. It's a sickness in the eyes that allows you to see an area about the size of an inch even at a distance so he had to constantly moving your eyes back and forth to see everything. He memorized all the music to sing it in the operettas. He started up a couple of boys clubs as an adult, always working with children when there was nothing for children at the time back in the 30s and 40s.
It wasn't until the late seventies when he received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. And although I never knew it personally, my mom told me that he had many experiences with Jesus coming to him and talking with him one on one.

So I laugh when I hear people condemning Catholics in this website, who condemned them for being Catholic. When you know nothing of people like my dad who were very Catholic and loved God. Oddly enough, my dad never thought poorly of Protestants. He always looked at them as brothers and sisters.

 

[Bill]

.... when those who do iniquity disappear....

You'll see. People who do not want to experience all the crap that's going to hit the fan, they just want to run away from it all. And it's been preached for years, I mean years, that the Christians won't have to go through it

Yet the scripture shows otherwise in all of the examples. When God blessed Moses out of the land of Egypt with all of the Israelites, they didn't go to the Hilton Hotel. They left everything behind as far as their homes go they took the wealth of Egypt with them but they can't really spend it anywhere. So they had to pitch up tents everywhere and start all over building houses and everything else. And then God let him through the desert for 40 years.

Noah, in his faith - tell me if we see that kind of Faith anywhere today - was told to build an ark. God showed him how to build it and he did. And God brought the animals together and noise and his family entered the Ark it was lifted up by the water and wherever it landed "voila the rapture" lol , joking. But he too had to start over.

And what about those that had to go to Babylon and then we're freed from Babylon and all the other Mass migration stories out there of large numbers of people being moved from one place to another place or small groups like Noah every single time they have to go through the experience.

They have to go through the experience, they weren't transported off the planet. They went through the experience of whatever it was that God brought down. The same thing is true with the Christians of today that if they live to go into the tribulation and survive it they are going to go through it just like everyone else went through it at their times.

The early Christians went through all that crap in their times with Nero and all the other craziness that went on. And they had more faith than we do now. I'm telling you that we are going to go through it all, there's going to be no Great Escape. So does that crap out the door ( the false teaching of the rapture) get rid of the lies of the devil that Rapture teaching. And realize that you're going to go through it plain and simple you're going to go through it whether you like it or not

 

[AntonGoldnagel]

I love such accurate Bible loving people , lol.

Atm I use:
offene bibel
L1912 dl
APB engl
Asv engl
KJVPCE eng
Crampon 1923 fr
FreBB fr
FreJND fr
FReMartin fr


Which Bible are you reading by the way it will make a difference. If it's just Jehovah Witness Bible for instance it's probably not in there

 

[Bill]

Ain't that the truth!

I could write a book on missed opportunities when I was shown and knew what to do, and just didn't do it!

God speaks to everyone! We just need to learn to listen

 

[AntonGoldnagel]

Consider the CONTEXT
"Mat 16:15-18 ...But who say ye that I am? 16. And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jonah: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father who is in heaven. "

from Mt 16:15 All through to vs 1... Jesus was talking about HIMSELF.
Mat 16:18 ...upon this rock I will build my church; a...At this point Jesus was still talking about himself as the ROCK
πέτρα, ας, ἡ petra pet’-ra. in english rock, cliff,

in vs 18 Jesus adressed Peter (Πέτρος, ου, ὁ Petros pet’-ros english: stone) and repeats his previous statement that on this rock (Jesus) will be built the foundation of the church.
Notice that Πέτρος and πέτρα are very similar sounding nontheless different words, one refers to a large immovable boulder like object the other to a stone or pebble.

Although Mt 16-18 admitedly can be misleading, the rest of the Gospel is very clear on WHO the cornerstone of the congregation is.
Eph 2:20-21 being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief corner stone;
Thus
The fondation of the congregation (CHURCH) are the 12 Apostles not just Peter, who according to scriptural record was never accorded authority over the other Apostles

Peter himself confirms that Christ is the cornerstone on wich the church is build.
1 Pe 2:7 ... The stone which the builders rejected, The same was made the head of the corner;
Also Paul states:
1 Cor 10:4 ...for they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them: and the rock was Christ.

Mat 7:24 Every one therefore that heareth these words of mine, and doeth them, shall be likened unto a wise man, who built his house upon the rock: (not a stone)

I believe in the importance of assuring myself that ALL of the scriptures are in agreement with each other before deciding on a proposed interpretation and certainly avoid listening to leaders who use ambiguous scriptures to benefit their position.

regarding the passing of authority, Jesus's
words are very clear
Mat 23:9-10 ...call no man your father on the earth: for one is your Father, even he who is in heaven. 10. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your master, even the Christ...

 

[AntonGoldnagel]

As well as mistranslated !!

Hi Rhema
I admit I'm not sure what your point is here.
But, I have seen a number of interpretations on this text. Even though I have some notion of it's meaning I have not yet assembled the context sufficiently to make a informed decision.

One thing is clear. IT is not a license to lord it over the other Apostle or a declaration that he replaces Christ as the cornerstone of the church, nor is it supporting the notion of the clergy that Peter passed his Apostelship to them.

... and whatever you(singular) might bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever you(singular) might loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.'​

(Matthew 18:18 Rhema)

There is a world of difference between guaranteeing a divine endorsement of Peter's actions and promising that his actions, when guided by the Holy Spirit, will be in accord with the Heavenly pattern!

Blessings brother,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

I don't pay you anything, nor do i expect anything from God to serve Him.

You know that's a problem with many Christians, that they feel that because they do something for God that they should get something from God.

It's actually the wrong way of thinking.

Sorry Bill, I thought you had a sense of humor. (That was a joke...)
But my bad, next time I'll try to add in the little yellow round things.

So I laugh when I hear people condemning Catholics in this website, who condemned them for being Catholic. When you know nothing

Me? When I know nothing?
When have I ever condemned Catholics here?
Are you off your meds.?

Rhema
Oh, right...