A Simple Question

[Bill]

Thanks sorry,

Like the word apostle "sent messenger" errand boys. The meaning was changed needing to create a oral traditons as a sign unto themselves. Venerable men that lord it over the faith or understanding of the non-venerable .

Sabbath literally meaning "rest" a non time senititive word. Its meaning in order to claim who has the superior claim of the day worship day. A works righteousness causing a division. Who is the top dog fighting over days of the years and not the word rest.

In all translations except a few .One, the Youngs Literal . The word sabbath "rest" is translated into week a time senititive word . A word not even coined until hundreds of year later .They used 7 days before that not designating what day,

AI Overview The word week was first recorded before the 900s. It comes from the Old English word wice, which is related to the Latin word vicis, meaning "turn".

Matthew 28 KJV In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Matthew 28 YLT And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths,(new era) came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

Nine times the word Sabbath was changed into the work week . In the end making no biblical sense

Luke 18:11-12The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, (not Sabbath) I give tithes of all that I possess.

Not two different tithes on two different days (20%)

Using foreign unfamiliar language can be confusing and take away the spiritual understanding of faith

May God fill us with his love and wisdom.

It is very difficult to follow your understanding.

When it comes to apostles. There are different types of Apostles. There are those that are the authority or the leadership, and then there are those who are somewhat lesser but still have leadership in them.

Paul even tells us in the gifts of the Spirit that although things like speaking in tongues are there or even healing and so on the greater Gifts of the Spirit are Apostles and Prophets.

Now remember, Paul recognizes himself as an apostle of God, one who is sent and with authority. Yet he's talking about other people who received the Gifts of the Spirit, as apostles. Does that mean that he would be subject to them, no. But he is talking about other leaders to follow in his footsteps and to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
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When it comes to talking about Sabbath. The day of rest. It isn't something for anyone the Lord over another person. It is something that you yourself set aside as the day of rest.

Now traditionally, people use Sunday as the day of rest in fact the work schedule all works around this whole tradition. I would believe that I'm safe to say, that in America as Sunday was venerated as the day that we worship God, that it was set aside specifically for that purpose. Although I feel that we have gotten away from that somewhat in these last 20 years.

But it doesn't matter to me if a group of people decide to worship God on Saturday versus Sunday. Who am I to tell anyone else what day to worship God on. And in these days when no one goes to church or very few, I think that we should appreciate people that actually do take time to go to church.
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As for tithing goes, unless you choose to do this from your own heart. It is meaningless to God.

To sit there and tell us that you tith two times a week means nothing.
I'd much rather hear that you do volunteer work, taking time from your own precious time to do things for others.

After all this is what Jesus tells us, that the tithing was only put in there because the Jews were so stubborn. It wasn't that they were stubborn about giving money, it was because they were so stubborn in their hearts to give something of themselves.

Why do you think Jesus makes the comment about the old lady that gives two pennies meaning more than the politician that gives 10%.

She gives of what is precious to her to survive.

It isn't the amount that she gives it has nothing to do with the amount. It has to do with the fact that she's willing to give from what she has, to God. It's where her heart is, her treasure is God

 

[Garee]

When it comes to apostles. There are different types of Apostles. There are those that are the authority or the leadership, and then there are those who are somewhat lesser but still have leadership in them.

Paul even tells us in the gifts of the Spirit that although things like speaking in tongues are there or even healing and so on the greater Gifts of the Spirit are Apostles and Prophets.

Now remember, Paul recognizes himself as an apostle of God, one who is sent and with authority. Yet he's talking about other people who received the Gifts of the Spirit, as apostles. Does that mean that he would be subject to them, no. But he is talking about other leaders to follow in his footsteps and to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

Hi thanks .Sorry for the extra work

I think its pretty clear the meaning of Apostle is sent messenger or errand boy, UPS, PONY EXPRESS etc. The ones with the beautiful feet shod with the gospel of salvation

One reason. I think we should be careful daily to what we hear by who we sat we do.

We are warned of the legion of antichrists another teaching authroity other than sola scriptura. . bringing false prohecy as oral traditons of dying mankind .

1 John 2:22-27 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.; But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man (apostle) teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

His name as a attribute is Jealous (Exodus 34:14)

.He owns all things and will not share his glory with dying mankind . But his love is not jealous It is first in order. . .. . long suffering because it is patient it can be kind not taking a wrong into account needs no record (etc) Finally fully equipped never fails

Those that demanded the form of Government after the god of this world. Pharisee's with Sadducees like today Roman Catholics with Greek Orthodox A hierarchy of puffed up in false pride sinners. . that Lord it over the spiritual understanding (faith) of the non venerable pew warmers

In that way knowing before hand he used two apostles (sent ones) to teach we are not to puff up dying mankind above all things written in the law and prophets .(sola scriptura)

Dying mankind is not the rule or power of faith needed to please our Holy Father not seen .

Its Christ in us not a legion of apostles in us.

As a law of dying men they claimed to be the Cannon assembler and not Christ the one author and finishers of our new born again faith .

1 Corinthians 4: 6 -7And these things, brethren, I have in a figure (parable) transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

That portion added to the previuos chapter in another parable

1 Corinthians 3:4-8For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

We can preach, plant the born again seed and water with the water of the word (doctrines of Christ) but have no power to raise from the dead in trespasses of sin

Every man shall receive his own reward according to his own good works.

Remember Hebrew 6 the better things that accompany salvation. Our Holy Father working with us will not forget the goods works we offer towards his name .Yoked with His labor of love believers have a new awakened desire David said when He awoke breaking the fast Christ was still there

Hebrews 6: 9_10 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.;For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

Making a list and checking it twice . He knows when men are sleeping or if they awake . giving them the grace to be good for his redeeming goodness sakes.

I am my wife little ole apostle . Sends me on a mission to the supermarket with a list not to add or subtract from .Upon completing I received the apostles reward .Two home made peanut butter cookies fresh from the oven and a cold glass of milk ..

Simply a violation the law to protect the integrity of authors intent. Do not to add new meaning to one word . . . it changes the authority of the whole (sola scriptura) Simular at the end in Reveltion 22 protecting the integrity of the whole .Both working as one

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word (singular ) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it (singular), that ye may keep the commandments (plural) of the Lord your God which I command you.

The reason of the fall adding "false prohecy ."Neither shall you touch) . Adam failed to protect his wife with true prophecy. . failed washing her with the water of the word as Christ washes us .

The lust of the flesh desiring to "see" drew them to the tree hidden in the center of the garden having satisficed the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye took over and they touched and did not die so they ate .

The fall false prophecy.

Not protecting the integrity of Sola scriptura the sword of the Spirit . . . do not to any to one word new meaning .

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Lust of the flesh. . . lust of the eye .Two building block of false pride


Abel the first listed prophet apostle . Planter of the seed . martyred for trusting an invisible Father .

 

[Garee]

When it comes to apostles. There are different types of Apostles. There are those that are the authority or the leadership, and then there are those who are somewhat lesser but still have leadership in them.

I would offer when it comes to apostles there are two different kinds . true apostles that bringing true prohecy (sola scriptura) .And false apostles. . those that bring oral tradition of dying mankind they call a legion of holy fathers on earth. Two kinds of authorities the unseen eternal as it is written and the temporal historical seen oral

Those whose pagan foundation is ."Out of sight out of mind "faithless" no invisible God (fools ,

They call all thing written in the aw and prophets (sola scriptura) heresy so the could keep thier own heresy or private interpretations . Paul by the power full faith that come from hearing Christ (as it is written) turned things right-side up inspired from heaven He worshiped God as the one Father not a legion of fathers as disembodied spirit gods male and female

Believers serve a faithful or invisible Sheppard of Sheppards .King of kings, Lord of lords, Father of fathers . yoked with labor of love our daily burden can be made lighter with a living hope beyond the grave

Acts 24:13-14 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets . . . . . . . (sola scriptura)

 

[Bill]

I would offer when it comes to apostles there are two different kinds . true apostles that bringing true prohecy (sola scriptura) .And false apostles. . those that bring oral tradition of dying mankind they call a legion of holy fathers on earth. Two kinds of authorities the unseen eternal as it is written and the temporal historical seen oral

Those whose pagan foundation is ."Out of sight out of mind "faithless" no invisible God (fools ,

They call all thing written in the aw and prophets (sola scriptura) heresy so the could keep thier own heresy or private interpretations . Paul by the power full faith that come from hearing Christ (as it is written) turned things right-side up inspired from heaven He worshiped God as the one Father not a legion of fathers as disembodied spirit gods male and female

Believers serve a faithful or invisible Sheppard of Sheppards .King of kings, Lord of lords, Father of fathers . yoked with labor of love our daily burden can be made lighter with a living hope beyond the grave

Acts 24:13-14 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets . . . . . . . (sola scriptura)

The problem with this is everyones same problem. Do you notice how many claim to have the Gifts of the Spirit.

It reminds me of people who claim to be veterans always looking for renown from others, yet have never fought in any war and have never been a veteran.

There are many people out there that have been taught that there's only one baptism. Yet scripture clearly shows 2 . A baptism of water and a baptism of fire.

Although there are a few characters out there that do skip that or maybe it's just in reverse, the example that comes to mind is John the Baptist who is filled with the holy spirit before he was even born, and yet of course in the womb he was not baptized with water that had to come later.

It was John himself that stated ( John the Baptist) I baptize you with water but there is one who comes after me that will baptize you with fire and Power.

So going back to where many teach that there's only one baptism and for some reason that automatically baptizes you with the spirit, they're fooling themselves. And this is where the illusion of truth is, when people will say well I have the baptism of the Holy Spirit, when they don't.

And now going back to my point of what you had said of the two different types of Apostles. The problem is that few understand discernment. And there are many different levels of discernment. I say it that way because those who are just learning how to use discernment don't always have the fullness of understanding. And there are others that are extremely good with discernment that have exceptional skills at it.

In understanding the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, it doesn't happen overnight. Or shall I say it rarely happens overnight that a person has a full understanding of it. I'm not saying that like a disclaimer, I say it that way because there's always exceptions.

So you point out different things about false apostles. So if a person who does not have the Gift of the Spirit in discernment, yet he thinks he does, and maybe he's well respected among his peers. He can state that he has the gift of the spirit and then tell people how to think or how to be, and completely be wrong with it. Most Christians faith is so weak they cannot discern.

 

[Rhema]

So going back to where many teach that there's only one baptism and for some reason that automatically baptizes you with the spirit, they're fooling themselves. And this is where the illusion of truth is, when people will say well I have the baptism of the Holy Spirit, when they don't.

I cannot disagree with this, but Bill, you do have to acknowledge ...

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.​

(Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV)

Peace,
Rhema

 

[Bill]

I cannot disagree with this, but Bill, you do have to acknowledge ...

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.​

(Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV)

Peace,
Rhema

Rhema, i agree wholeheartedly. I am certain i said this yesterday, maybe in another thread.

"Hear Oh Israel, Our God is One"
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And the Pharisee said to Jesus, "are you the Messiah the Son of the Living God" and Jesus replied, " I am "

( i am curious, if Jesus used the same pronounciation as was written with God speaking to Moses " I am " )

 

[Garee]

The problem with this is everyones same problem. Do you notice how many claim to have the Gifts of the Spirit.

It reminds me of people who claim to be veterans always looking for renown from others, yet have never fought in any war and have never been a veteran.

There are many people out there that have been taught that there's only one baptism. Yet scripture clearly shows 2 . A baptism of water and a baptism of fire.

Although there are a few characters out there that do skip that or maybe it's just in reverse, the example that comes to mind is John the Baptist who is filled with the holy spirit before he was even born, and yet of course in the womb he was not baptized with water that had to come later.

It was John himself that stated ( John the Baptist) I baptize you with water but there is one who comes after me that will baptize you with fire and Power.

So going back to where many teach that there's only one baptism and for some reason that automatically baptizes you with the spirit, they're fooling themselves. And this is where the illusion of truth is, when people will say well I have the baptism of the Holy Spirit, when they don't.

And now going back to my point of what you had said of the two different types of Apostles. The problem is that few understand discernment. And there are many different levels of discernment. I say it that way because those who are just learning how to use discernment don't always have the fullness of understanding. And there are others that are extremely good with discernment that have exceptional skills at it.

In understanding the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, it doesn't happen overnight. Or shall I say it rarely happens overnight that a person has a full understanding of it. I'm not saying that like a disclaimer, I say it that way because there's always exceptions.

So you point out different things about false apostles. So if a person who does not have the Gift of the Spirit in discernment, yet he thinks he does, and maybe he's well respected among his peers. He can state that he has the gift of the spirit and then tell people how to think or how to be, and completely be wrong with it. Most Christians faith is so weak they cannot discern.

Many desire to lay claim to gifts of the Spirit as some sort of personal crown. . . works righteousness.

All believer receive the same reward eternal life .

Gifts of the Spirit are two fold. One. . the gift of prophesying. Paul declared the will of another And two understanding it that one might move accordingly mutually according to the same power of faith as it is written (sola scriptura) . Faith the power of God to faith . the spiritual unseen to the same .

The understanding from the faith or power of Christ mutually worked in both .Again never one as some sort of I did it, it proves it.

Romans 1:10-12 Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.
For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith (Christ's) both of you and me.

Same spirit of faith that mutually works in all.

2 Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

 

[Rhema]

And the Pharisee said to Jesus, "are you the Messiah the Son of the Living God" and Jesus replied, " I am "

( i am curious, if Jesus used the same pronounciation as was written with God speaking to Moses " I am " )

Actually, that's a pretty good question.

But since nothing is ever easy, we're pretty sure that Jesus spoke Aramaic in public (not Greek), but we have only Greek and Hebrew written down.

And if I may meander for the sake of the proverbial peanut gallery, when Alexander the Great up and died (or was killed), the Greek Empire was split into regions over which his general fought. The upshot is that Ptolemy won Egypt, and his son and successor, Ptolemy II Philadelphus, looked around and said, "Hey there are an awful lot of Jews in my Empire, and I have no idea what they believe." So (as the tale is told) 70 (LXX) or 72 (depending upon the version of the story) Jewish scholars produced a Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures so their ruler would be amenably disposed toward their community. As few Jews could speak or write Hebrew even then, having inherited Aramaic from the Persian Empire during the Babylonian Exile, and Greek from the Alexandrian Empire, the LXX became widely adopted.

καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεὸς πρὸς Μωυσῆν Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν· καὶ εἶπεν Οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς Ισραηλ Ὁ ὢν ἀπέσταλκέν με πρὸς ὑμᾶς.​

(Exodus 3:14 LXX)

From the Brenton Translation we read:

And God spoke to Moses, saying, I am THE BEING; and he said, Thus shall ye say to the children of Israel, THE BEING has sent me to you.​

(Exodus 3:14 Brenton)

From the (Greek) Orthodox Study Bible we read:

Then God said to Moses, "I am the existing one." He also said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: The existing one sent me to you."​

(Exodus 3:14 OSB)

From the Douay Rheims we read:

God said to Moses: I AM WHO AM. He said: Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel: HE WHO IS, hath sent me to you.​

(Exodus 3:14 DRB)

But from the Hebrew we get:

and said ELOHIM to Moses, YHWH who YWHW - and he said, thus you shall say to the sons of Israel YHWH has sent me to you.​

(Bible Hub Hebrew Interlinear)

The Key phrases are:
YHWH who YWHW that corresponds to Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν· and
YHWH (has sent me) which corresponds to Ὁ ὢν (has sent me).

So technically in Greek, the name given by God was Ὁ ὢν, not εγώ εἰμι as is found in John 8:58.

That said, the blind man in chapter nine replies with εγώ εἰμι when asked if he were the blind man (cf. John 9:9 - the "he" is added in by the translators. I doubt that the blind man was letting the Jewish leaders know that he was God.

BUT you had said this -

And the Pharisee said to Jesus, "are you the Messiah the Son of the Living God" and Jesus replied, " I am "

With a smile on my face and a twinkle in my eye I say unto you, "You do err not knowing the scriptures."

That's not what the Pharisees said, and that's not what Jesus replied.

The Jews therefore said to him: Thou art not yet fifty years old. And hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham was made, I AM.​

(John 8:57-58 DRB)

But unfortunately there are some problems with this translation. My apologies that I don't have time to do a word for word translation and explanation, and I am reluctant to hijack the thread...

You know, this actually fits with the OP, since Church Doctrine typically rolls out this verse as a support for the Trinity, whereas the text really doesn't.

Now I am well aware that my rendition is both controversial and scandalous, but Jesus' reply was something like this, "Amen, Amen, I say to you Abraham was before, ... I am (now), since Jesus was ultimately addressing the covenants. His, verses Abraham's.

Kindly,
Rhema

PS: So since YHWH is a verb, there is no "AMs" And the verb is not plural to say "WE ARE" or "US IS."

 

[Rhema]

Rhema, i agree wholeheartedly. I am certain i said this yesterday, maybe in another thread.

"Hear Oh Israel, Our God is One"

God might be one, but there is still a water baptism and what the Pentecostals call a second work of grace by which they mean a baptism of the spirit. It would seem that the Ephesian community eliminated water baptism altogether, but as the proto-orthodox church started to coalesce amongst the various cities, water won out.

Rhema
(Gotta luv those Baptists.)

 

[Bill]

God might be one, but there is still a water baptism and what the Pentecostals call a second work of grace by which they mean a baptism of the spirit. It would seem that the Ephesian community eliminated water baptism altogether, but as the proto-orthodox church started to coalesce amongst the various cities, water won out.

Rhema
(Gotta luv those Baptists.)

Well I have told people here for years that there are two baptisms. John the Baptist even said I baptize you with water but the one who will come after me will baptize you with power and fire.

So to me there's a distinct difference between the two. But I've also experienced it in my own lifetime, where a person was being baptized by a preacher and while I was standing there the Lord told me to baptize that same person in the Holy Spirit as soon as he came up out of the water

 

[Bill]

Actually, that's a pretty good question.

But since nothing is ever easy, we're pretty sure that Jesus spoke Aramaic in public (not Greek), but we have only Greek and Hebrew written down.

And if I may meander for the sake of the proverbial peanut gallery, when Alexander the Great up and died (or was killed), the Greek Empire was split into regions over which his general fought. The upshot is that Ptolemy won Egypt, and his son and successor, Ptolemy II Philadelphus, looked around and said, "Hey there are an awful lot of Jews in my Empire, and I have no idea what they believe." So (as the tale is told) 70 (LXX) or 72 (depending upon the version of the story) Jewish scholars produced a Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures so their ruler would be amenably disposed toward their community. As few Jews could speak or write Hebrew even then, having inherited Aramaic from the Persian Empire during the Babylonian Exile, and Greek from the Alexandrian Empire, the LXX became widely adopted.

καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεὸς πρὸς Μωυσῆν Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν· καὶ εἶπεν Οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς Ισραηλ Ὁ ὢν ἀπέσταλκέν με πρὸς ὑμᾶς.​

(Exodus 3:14 LXX)

From the Brenton Translation we read:

And God spoke to Moses, saying, I am THE BEING; and he said, Thus shall ye say to the children of Israel, THE BEING has sent me to you.​

(Exodus 3:14 Brenton)

From the (Greek) Orthodox Study Bible we read:

Then God said to Moses, "I am the existing one." He also said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: The existing one sent me to you."​

(Exodus 3:14 OSB)

From the Douay Rheims we read:

God said to Moses: I AM WHO AM. He said: Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel: HE WHO IS, hath sent me to you.​

(Exodus 3:14 DRB)

But from the Hebrew we get:

and said ELOHIM to Moses, YHWH who YWHW - and he said, thus you shall say to the sons of Israel YHWH has sent me to you.​

(Bible Hub Hebrew Interlinear)

The Key phrases are:
YHWH who YWHW that corresponds to Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν· and
YHWH (has sent me) which corresponds to Ὁ ὢν (has sent me).

So technically in Greek, the name given by God was Ὁ ὢν, not εγώ εἰμι as is found in John 8:58.

That said, the blind man in chapter nine replies with εγώ εἰμι when asked if he were the blind man (cf. John 9:9 - the "he" is added in by the translators. I doubt that the blind man was letting the Jewish leaders know that he was God.

BUT you had said this -

With a smile on my face and a twinkle in my eye I say unto you, "You do err not knowing the scriptures."

That's not what the Pharisees said, and that's not what Jesus replied.

The Jews therefore said to him: Thou art not yet fifty years old. And hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham was made, I AM.​

(John 8:57-58 DRB)

But unfortunately there are some problems with this translation. My apologies that I don't have time to do a word for word translation and explanation, and I am reluctant to hijack the thread...

You know, this actually fits with the OP, since Church Doctrine typically rolls out this verse as a support for the Trinity, whereas the text really doesn't.

Now I am well aware that my rendition is both controversial and scandalous, but Jesus' reply was something like this, "Amen, Amen, I say to you Abraham was before, ... I am (now), since Jesus was ultimately addressing the covenants. His, verses Abraham's.

Kindly,
Rhema

PS: So since YHWH is a verb, there is no "AMs" And the verb is not plural to say "WE ARE" or "US IS."

Well my excuses I don't have my Bible in front of me it's at the house and I'm in New Mexico a few thousand miles apart.

I would love to hear the literal translation of the Hebrew into English without it going through a computer . Because the computer won't give you the actual translation it will give you the translation it gives you.

If you want an example of this craziness with the computers. Just go ask your Alexa if you have one about Kamala Harris as being a good vice president and then go ask your Alexa about Trump being a good future president.

There are prejudices at work lol

 

[Rhema]

Well I have told people here for years that there are two baptisms. John the Baptist even said I baptize you with water but the one who will come after me will baptize you with power and fire.

And I agree with that. (So what to do with Ephesians...?)

I would love to hear the literal translation of the Hebrew into English without it going through a computer . Because the computer won't give you the actual translation it will give you the translation it gives you.

I don't use a computer for translating, Bill.

If you want an example of this craziness with the computers. Just go ask your Alexa if you have one about Kamala Harris as being a good vice president and then go ask your Alexa about Trump being a good future president.

Sorry, can't do that. Don't have an Alexa. Or a Siri, or any of it.

Peace,
Rhema

 

[Garee]

Rhema, i agree wholeheartedly. I am certain i said this yesterday, maybe in another thread.

"Hear Oh Israel, Our God is One"
-------------
And the Pharisee said to Jesus, "are you the Messiah the Son of the Living God" and Jesus replied, " I am "

( i am curious, if Jesus used the same pronounciation as was written with God speaking to Moses " I am " )

I would offer keep in mind Jesus the apostles prophesied or declared the will of I Am . . Abba Father . The father's words are Spirit and life giving the dying flesh profits for zero

I Am Christ's words, words of His power. . . words of life with peace or. . . words of power death falling back slain in the Spirit of judgment .

Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.


In the parable below both I Am's are used , three times to denote the end of the matter.


John18: 5-9 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
;As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.;Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:
That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.

Falling back, breaking neck or hanging indicates death by false prophecy, oral traditions of dying mankind, the poison of serpents used as the hanging judgment of Christ used that way throughout the bible

I AM = the power of life and death

Genesis 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

1 Samuel 4:18 And it came to pass, when he made mention of the ark of God, that he fell from off the seat backward by the side of the gate, and his neck brake, and he died: for he was an old man, and heavy. And he had judged Israel forty years

Matthew 27:4-6Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself

2 Samuel 18:9-11And Absalom met the servants of David. And Absalom rode upon a mule, and the mule went under the thick boughs of a great oak, and his head caught hold of the oak, and he was taken up between the heaven and the earth; and the mule that was under him went away.;And a certain man saw it, and told Joab, and said, Behold, I saw Absalom hanged in an oak.

 

[Bill]

I would offer keep in mind Jesus the apostles prophesied or declared the will of I Am . . Abba Father . The father's words are Spirit and life giving the dying flesh profits for zero

I Am Christ's words, words of His power. . . words of life with peace or. . . words of power death falling back slain in the Spirit of judgment .

Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.


In the parable below both I Am's are used , three times to denote the end of the matter.


John18: 5-9 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
;As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.;Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:
That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.

Falling back, breaking neck or hanging indicates death by false prophecy, oral traditions of dying mankind, the poison of serpents used as the hanging judgment of Christ used that way throughout the bible

I AM = the power of life and death

Genesis 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

1 Samuel 4:18 And it came to pass, when he made mention of the ark of God, that he fell from off the seat backward by the side of the gate, and his neck brake, and he died: for he was an old man, and heavy. And he had judged Israel forty years

Matthew 27:4-6Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself

2 Samuel 18:9-11And Absalom met the servants of David. And Absalom rode upon a mule, and the mule went under the thick boughs of a great oak, and his head caught hold of the oak, and he was taken up between the heaven and the earth; and the mule that was under him went away.;And a certain man saw it, and told Joab, and said, Behold, I saw Absalom hanged in an oak.

There is a difference when anyone but God says I AM . The Hebrew is used a specific form of language whenever God is speaking versus other people and in the ancient Hebrew texts that is also something that is shown. When God is speaking it is pronounced a certain way in Hebrew and when other people are speaking it's pronounced a different way. I don't have the direct information in front of me but I know that that is true

 

[Rhema]

I don't have the direct information in front of me but I know that that is true.

News to me. Let me know when you figure out how to get that "direct information in front of" you.

Blessings,
Rhema

(PS: Does it sound more like Klingon or less? )

 

[Garee]

There is a difference when anyone but God says I AM . The Hebrew is used a specific form of language whenever God is speaking versus other people and in the ancient Hebrew texts that is also something that is shown. When God is speaking it is pronounced a certain way in Hebrew and when other people are speaking it's pronounced a different way. I don't have the direct information in front of me but I know that that is true

Thanks . I would agree

The I Am that is powerful enough. . and "it was good". . . Creative faith . No form. . "let there be form" .

We can re-create using the dying things seen. It is not the kind of faith that does please I AM. . Christ not seen

Like my wife faithfully lovingly sending me her apostle out on a adventure to the Supermarket with a written law not to add or substract from

After completing the list the work of her faithfulness working in me .I receive the apostles faithful reward .Two home made warm Peanut Butter cookies and a Glas of cold milk as her faithul apostle

Creative I Am faith .let there be two homemade Peanut Butter cookies and a colds glass of milk and it was good .

Faith Good power..

No faith no power