Abortion

[Dreamer]

GOD defends the rape victims. God instills wisdom to them when they ask for it. God heals them as they give God their bitterness. It is not your job to defend rape victims. All you can do for rape victims is pray for them and minister to them. You are not going to be able to minister to any victim of any type until you forgive those who have misused you and attacked you.

Being raped is not an excuse for being bitter the rest of your life. Being a child conceived as the result of a rape is not an excuse either.

Nobody ever said life was going to be easy. Jesus never promised us a perfect rose garden. He told us there would be trouble, but that He would never leave us.

Accept the circumstances God has put you in, Apple, and move on in the plan God has for you. He is using you. Don't fight against Him. He loves you.

How can you see something, if you refuse to look? Not everything is found through your own perspective. Only God can show you why you were born.

I find your witness and your posts very appealing. Your posts mean alot to me, because you have been through so much. You do not realize how powerful you are through the Spirit of the God.

All of us have been through various trials, Apple. Your circumstances and trials are not unique to Jesus. He went through more than you did, for your sake. He died for you to forgive your sins, Apple. Was that not good enough?

 

[ushalk]

we can find many ways to try and justify our sin. however the word of god states that there is no child that is a mistake or an accident. not to mention that there are millions of people out there that would love to adopt a child. there is a way out of murder, no matter how we look at it. but we also know that our god is a merciful god and he will forgive us of our sins.

 

[Apple]

Wow Dreamer! - All that I am willing to say on this matter is that I am devastated by your response, but if that is what you really think, then I have to respect your opinion.

 

[ushalk]

apple i am not triing to judge or hurt anyone. the word of god says what it says. i am sorry that you are hurt or devistated but it is the truth. it is a lot like adultury. many people use the excuse of a bad marriage or it will help the marriage or this or that as a way to justify their unfaithfulness to their spouse. but no matter how you see it it is still wrong in the eyes of god.

 

[Apple]

Sorry Ushalk - My above post had been in response to Dreamer's post. Yours hadn't been there when I wrote it.

 

[Chad]

Wow Dreamer! - All that I am willing to say on this matter is that I am devastated by your response, but if that is what you really think, then I have to respect your opinion.

Its time to change your views towards people and appreciate their help. You have literally received more help from people the past 2 months on this forum than any other member. You've received more public prayers and more attention than anyone else on this forum, so do not bite the hands that hold yours (or perhaps, that feed you knowledge). Her response was not an opinion, it was truth and if you ask me, it was SOOTHING kind of truth because it comes from GOD.

 

[ushalk]

it is ok apple.

 

[calluna]

I only just saw this thread, and actually enjoyed the discussion and the openess and honesty of responses. I applaud you Dreamer for your excellent replies and speaking only in God's truth.

In the secular world, abortion may always be a controversial subject, but in the Christian world there should be no debate...right?

love and peace to all

Calluna

 

[nzdaughter]

Recently a few women have randomly told me that they've had an abortion in the past, even if we're not talking about sex (including a woman at my work who I've only known for 2 weeks!), and as such it has brung forth the issue of abortion to my attention. I've become annoyed and lately highly distracted with the existence of abortion. Yet when I feel inclined to speak about it, I risk appearing judgemental! It pains my heart so much that I take a long while to come round to seeing such a woman as behaving like the valuable woman God created her to be, and God values and loves these women (I know I shouldn't, but I'm working my way through even entertaining any judging attitude!) However lets not forget that her precious innocent baby taken cruely from the womb is also of infinite value. :ip:

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Abortion pains the heart of God, too. And, though I am not a woman, I empathize with your struggle to avoid condemning women who have abortions.

As I read your post, the story of The Adulterous Woman in John 8:1-11 came to my mind. In this story, Jesus models how we are to think of and treat the sinners we encounter in our daily lives.

I suggest you read and meditate on that story for a few minutes every day for the next two weeks before you go to your place of employment.


SLE

 

[nzdaughter]

I'd say yes it is my present struggle; I was never like that before, but now that the issue is abortion, my emotions are grating on my mind in a conflicting way! I shall pray about this. Thankyou for that scripture about Jesus. God bless.
[Update: It has taken a while to reconcile my attitude, but through prayer and by God's grace, any judgement I possibly held towards these daughters', has disappeared. We must bear one anothers' burdens as it says; I might have felt offended or upset in regards to personal confessions told to me, but I have been working through my own feelings about that with God. I may not understand what the hurting women have been through, but I am no longer ignorant about abortion. In spite of what little I can do to ease any of their suffering, at least I can show them God's love and view the women through God's eyes. Believers' must not hate the sinner. We all fall short of the grace of God. Amen].

 

[Singlemom]

Hi! I am so amazed by your selfless and godly response to this matter.....Only moments ago, I prayed that God would give me the words to speak truth to those who need to hear......those considering abortion.

I have been overwhelmed by the topic of abortion this week; in the radio, on the internet, in many different ways...
I do believe we have to speak for those who can't.

But I respond to your post......because as I read, my stomach turned and I was touched.........you are so beautiful........even despite the fact that your sister was hurt and out of that incident.....came a precious baby...........without her consent.....you still love this baby! Do you ever look at the child and see the man who hurt your sister?

It is something that happened to you.......but I know God is teaching me something through your testimony. Please reply in whatever fashion you desire.........by private message, email, or here in the form of a response.........God will bless you for your humility! I am blessed by you!

Singlemom

 

[Deeper]

I had read something on the first page that I thought I would address. Someone had said "Isn't it the choice of the mother" and I stopped reading. I want to state, that yes, it's their choice, no one can force anyone to do anything legally unless it goes against law. But that brings up another avenue. Abortion, technically, by web, biblical, and legal (though defied) definition is murder. So technically, they illegally have a choice. Hear what I am saying? They illegally while thinking it's legal make a choice to murder a baby in the womb. The womb of a mother does not change the definition of a babies human rights, that is the right to live, nor does it change the law that is in the Bible nor in the law books.

Legally: it's illegal but negated because the definition of Murder is changed depending on the situation. All for the sole purpose of being selfish. No one has the legal right to change the definition for murder because they "say so"

Biblically: it's wrong because we know God hates murder. no murder shall inherit the kingdom of God, I would hope these doctors performing the abortion would realize that some day.

My verdict: it's wrong in both cases and isn't justified unless someone changes the definition and even then it's still wrong but masked with a facade.

 

[emily445455]

It amazes me that some Christians are pro-choice....

 

[Deeper]

It amazes me that some Christians are pro-choice....

I think it's safe to say those Christians don't actually read their Bibles or they do read the Bible but they are "selective readers."

 

[emily445455]

Deeper, that is probably the case, yes.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

I think it's safe to say those Christians don't actually read their Bibles or they do read the Bible but they are "selective readers."

Deeper,

Your post reminds me of a quote that is attributed to the early 20th Century evangelist Billy Sunday: "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than going to your garage makes you a car."

SLE

 

[rizen1]

Originally Posted by emily445455
It amazes me that some Christians are pro-choice....

Yeah, it is the cry of my heart that people would start giving a voice to those without one.

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[tooth and nail]

I think it's safe to say those Christians don't actually read their Bibles or they do read the Bible but they are "selective readers."

I think so, too, and then there's all those "mainline" denominations like the United Methodists and UCC that refuse to condone abortion. God help them all.

 

[Laudite]

an Apology from a pro-choice Christian

First, let me say that we agree on one very important fundamental- abortion is a terrible tragedy, a great source of sadness for both God and men, and a thing which ought happen as little as possible.

Now let me add two truths-

First- there is not an absolute prescription against murder, and not useful to judge murderers. There are different levels of moral culpability and tragedy. A rapist who gets caught and shoots an entire family is probably more evil than a SWAT sniper who kills a man about to set off a bomb. I am not making a parallel in moral terms between these things- but am instead making the point that there is a difference between God- who equally is hurt by the death of all His children, and legal, even canonical, responsibility. It is for this reason that there are Christian soldiers, prison wardens, and politicians. The fact is that our legal system in some situations countenances murder. The legal argument, then, while far from sound, must be confronted on legal terms in my opinion.

Second- the policy argument is even stronger. The only acceptable goal of public policy in this area is to minimize the number of abortions actually performed. There is strong evidence that banning abortion not only does not significantly reduce the number of abortions performed- but may increase the total number of abortions. It is a certainty that more people die and suffer horribly because of back ally unsafe abortions when it is unlawful. Statistically, education, dealing with poverty, and decreasing crime all have profound effects on abortion rates- far more than banning it. The best we can do, then, is to have a legal system that is pro-choice- where any woman can choose to have an abortion- but none (or as few as possible) do so. That is how I'm a pro choice christian.