Am I required to follow the Law?

[Christ4Ever]

As a believer, should I be concerned with adherence to what the Law proscribes?
Romans 2:12-13
John 16:13
Guiding us in truth and is not God's Law truth.
Luke 12:48
Growth would require a greater standard of morality.

Are we then responsible to the level of our knowledge? Makes me wonder if the old saying of "where ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise" doesn't hold some bit of truth! Not really, but I couldn't help include that here

 

[jiggyfly]

We are to be led by HolySpirit.

The law (including the Ten Commandments) leads to death but HolySpirit leads to life.

 

[Christ4Ever]

We are to be led by HolySpirit.

The law (including the Ten Commandments) leads to death but HolySpirit leads to life.

Not talking about salvation my brother. Rather looking to adhere to a standard of behavior whose foundation is God’s own Word, which being indwelled and guided by the Holy Spirit, cannot but help establish His Law within us. Romans 3:31

 

[David777]

Law?

Easy question.

The law brings the knowledge (conviction) of sin. Failing to obey the law. No man can obey the law, that was not the purpose of the law.

Sin leads to death.

Jesus Christ delivers us from death.

Jesus Christ is spiritual.

Live in the spirit (Jesus Christ) and you have eternal life.

Jesus Christ is love.

Love is patience, kindness, gentleness, etc.

The Holy Spirit is love.

You will grow in love for your fellow man, if indeed you have the spirit.

Read the book of Romans.

 

[jiggyfly]

Not talking about salvation my brother. Rather looking to adhere to a standard of behavior whose foundation is God’s own Word, which being indwelled and guided by the Holy Spirit, cannot but help establish His Law within us. Romans 3:31

Exactly, and just as you have said this is accomplished not by adhering to the law but by following HolySpirit.
God gave Israel the law but He has given us His Spirit.

Paul covers this very well in his letter to the believers @ Galatia.

In 2Corinthians chapter 3 Paul states that the law's (including the ten commandments) accomplishments can not even come close in comparison to those of the HolySpirit.

 

[jiggyfly]

Easy question.

The law brings the knowledge (conviction) of sin. Failing to obey the law. No man can obey the law, that was not the purpose of the law.

Sin leads to death.

Jesus Christ delivers us from death.

Jesus Christ is spiritual.

Live in the spirit (Jesus Christ) and you have eternal life.

Jesus Christ is love.

Love is patience, kindness, gentleness, etc.

The Holy Spirit is love.

You will grow in love for your fellow man, if indeed you have the spirit.

Read the book of Romans.

Nice post David.

 

[chicken little]

by his salvation process that he offers us .. we will be keeping not only be found keeping the letter but also the spirit of the law. and the spirit of the law is greater.

 

[cranquar]

Yes to the law of Love...

I believe that we must follow the law of love of God, and love for one another as written in the new testament.

I am truly amazed at the number of increase medical studies, that equate a host of diseases such as cancer, diabetes, heart conditions, etc. to the compilation of unresolved conflicts of bitterness, anger, resentment, hostility, and fear.

On the other hand, such medical studies include the positive results of healing (tumors shrunk, blood pressure, and sugar levels modified, and even improved DNA structures), as results of a compilation of expressions of thankfulness, gratitude, joy, and faith.

My faith is replenished with my consistent love of God, studying, and practicing His word, which strenthens me when trials and tribulations are received through the works of others, so that I may offer my love, understanding, patience, and prayers towards them, in opposition to hatred, anger, dispair...and all those other unhealthy emotions.

So therefore I say we are given the law of love to God first which sstrenthens us, and then to each other to the point of what the scriptures teach...Titus 3:2 "...speak evil of no man...", Proverbs 15:26 "The words of the pure are pleasant words...", Mattherw 5:22 "...even if you say, 'Thou fool." you are in danger of hell fire...", I John 3:15 "Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer:...and no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him...", II Corinthians 10:5 "...hold captive every thought to the obedience of Christ..."

Thus I believe we are given to obey the law of love, or suffer the consequences. :coocoo:

 

[spirit1st]

The laws of moses are Holy! But the law of JESUS CHRIST is GREATER!
He only puts two laws with in us! He writes them in us! They are the Law of Faith and the Law of LOVE1 If we truly LOVE? We will not do evil to others! Of course In LOVE we can fight if we have too! We can rebuke if we have too!
Love is the Most powerful force ever!
But we need to be careful and ask the Holy Ghost to guide us and be willing to hear Him and obey!
God set His children free of all bondage! This freedom is not a freedom to sin! The body we dwell in can suffer for sin!
Of course , god has provided healing for us ! still He will punish us if we refuse to live in LOVE!
Love does not ever enjoy hurting others or any living thing on this planet! It not to say we might have too!
Lots are Not Born of God, so we cannot expect them to love us with His type LOVE!
they will fail us sooner or later?
That is one of the reasons we are Not to be unevenly yoked!
I do not hear My LORD all the time! I think if I fasted and walked and lived more in my true eternal part , i would !
that is Why? Jesus told us we would fast . after he was gone !

Mar 2:20 But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.

 

[Giggles4God]

It is interesting that so many believe because we are living by grace, we are to reject the law.

Jesus came to FULFILL the law, NOT do away with it.

Yes, we are living by grace, but we are to obey God, too. God wrote ALL law. It was HIS finger that wrote the law on the tablets.

I will do as the Bible suggests and obey God...obey His law and live by grace.

 

[jiggyfly]

It is interesting that so many believe because we are living by grace, we are to reject the law.

Jesus came to FULFILL the law, NOT do away with it.

Yes, we are living by grace, but we are to obey God, too. God wrote ALL law. It was HIS finger that wrote the law on the tablets.

I will do as the Bible suggests and obey God...obey His law and live by grace.

For God in all His fullness was pleased to live in Christ, and by Him God reconciled everything to Himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of His blood on the cross.
This includes you who were once so far away from God. You were His enemies, separated from Him by your evil thoughts and actions, yet now He has brought you back as his friends. He has done this through his death on the cross in His own human body. As a result, He has brought you into the very presence of God, and you are holy and blameless as you stand before Him without a single fault. But you must continue to believe this truth and stand in it firmly. Don't drift away from the assurance you received when you heard the Good News. The Good News has been preached all over the world, and I, Paul, have been appointed by God to proclaim it. Col.1:19-23

 

[chicken little]

amen sister

is it just me or does anyone else need his grace and his mercy and his long suffering patience to just do the first one?
actually I have come to believe that God is law and is ALWAYS lawful.
gravity works everytime because he is consistently lawful.. life only exists if God is always lawful.. if gravity was inconsistant life couldn't exsist. that time 1000 laws he has to maintain to keep life here on earth .. to just keep say water for life..
He even died by the laws He created . He is the very definition of lawful.
He is anti distructive... he is anti atomic bomb like crashing into other things.
.. He is not free wheeling it. and he is never a genie!

he is not a Genie but a builder. a builder is constrained by what it is he is working with .and he built his own contraints and lives and creates with in it too.

I think he is looking for those willing to do the same.
why
because this mess we see is just a hologram.. it is just him and his energy set into laws. if we destroy it we only hurt him and he is not destroy-able by the lawlessness by mortals.
but maybe the next world is probably destroy-able by the lawlessness of immortals.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

On the other hand, such medical studies include the positive results of healing (tumors shrunk, blood pressure, and sugar levels modified, and even improved DNA structures), as results of a compilation of expressions of thankfulness, gratitude, joy, and faith.

Expressions of thankfulness, gratitude, and joy do sometimes come from unsaved people but, its been my experience that these things are never woven into the fabric of the lives of the unsaved. It takes the Holy Spirit working in the life of the Christ-follower for these things to become one's normal behavior.

SLE

 

[cranquar]

Expressions of thankfulness, gratitude, and joy do sometimes come from unsaved people but, its been my experience that these things are never woven into the fabric of the lives of the unsaved. It takes the Holy Spirit working in the life of the Christ-follower for these things to become one's normal behavior.

SLE

I have observed the same to be true. I think I chose to respond in effort to help believers (and some who doubt) to understand that we do have a law of love to obey; and outside of that law we do indeed suffer unto the point of scientific documentation.

Therefore those of us who have developed a common habit of being angry, resentful, bitter, with hatred or hostility toward any person (including relatives, co-workers, and supervisors or groups of people (even politicians, do well to follow the scriptures, to turn ourselves, renew our minds, and pray unceasingly, being consistently thankful unto God.

However, it is also my experience that without the connection to and direction of the Holy Spirit working in us, the trials and tribulations of any day, either expected, or unexpected, can be too much ware and tare to bare through compounded fears, anxieties, and other forms of dis-ease. I would be long dead many times over by now, if it were not for the Holy Spirit working in me. I do continue to pray and strive to grow to have a mind, and heart that is more aligned to it's design.

Thank you for sharing your insight.

 

[David777]

Dear GigglesforGod

Please read the following verses from Galations chapter 3

"Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.

But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. "

The law has no part in the Christian life.

You are justified by faith in Jesus Christ apart from the law.

The law requires works of the flesh.

You are not a Jew, why would you even consider
mixing the law with Jesus.

 

[jiggyfly]

amen sister

is it just me or does anyone else need his grace and his mercy and his long suffering patience to just do the first one?
actually I have come to believe that God is law and is ALWAYS lawful.
gravity works everytime because he is consistently lawful.. life only exists if God is always lawful.. if gravity was inconsistant life couldn't exsist. that time 1000 laws he has to maintain to keep life here on earth .. to just keep say water for life..
He even died by the laws He created . He is the very definition of lawful.
He is anti distructive... he is anti atomic bomb like crashing into other things.
.. He is not free wheeling it. and he is never a genie!

he is not a Genie but a builder. a builder is constrained by what it is he is working with .and he built his own contraints and lives and creates with in it too.

I think he is looking for those willing to do the same.
why
because this mess we see is just a hologram.. it is just him and his energy set into laws. if we destroy it we only hurt him and he is not destroy-able by the lawlessness by mortals.
but maybe the next world is probably destroy-able by the lawlessness of immortals.

I have learned that God is love, it is His essence. This knowledge of Father is experiential even though the scriptures confirm it. It came as a result of trusting in the work that Jesus did at the cross and allowing this same power (love) to work within me.

 

[Christ4Ever]

A Yes/No kind of question

Psalm 40:8 – I delight to do thy will O my God yea thy law within my heart
Isa 51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law, fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their reviling
Prov 3:1 My son forget not my law, but let thine heart keep my commandments
Psa 119:34 Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy law; yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart

Only our Lord could follow the perfect law. Yet as the above verses show, Godly men have always desired to follow it. Why? To be pleasing to our God, for it was by His hand that we were given it. God being so loving, knowing we couldn’t help but fail in its following in the state (sin) we were in, provided us sinners all, a saving grace! That grace reflected in the being of our Lord Jesus Christ as an atoning sacrifice!

Our Lord rather than negating the need to follow the law, made it even more stringent. Matthew 5: 28 (7th) Mat 5:21,22 (6th) Mat 6:24 (1st, 2nd) The Law is complete in Him and He being in us should have no second thoughts in following it as well. Matthew 5:17

Keep in mind that the first two commandments if followed allow us to follow the rest Mat 22:36-40 As you well know our Lord was not saying that following the law was the way to be saved, but with guidance a way to be Holy for our God. John 16:13 Are we capable of following His law without this guidance? My answer would be no. If we also see God’s law as only associated with the flesh, then once again the answer would be, that we are incapable in following it.

Yet we believers are to walk in the spirit. This puts us in constant battle with the flesh! Romans 7:21-25. As Romans 7:25 shows that it’s through Jesus Christ that our mind serves the law of God, it’s the flesh that serves the law of sin. Is that why we walk in the spirit and not the flesh? Knowing that walking in the spirit is how we are made holy and not by walking in the flesh. Romans 8:1 It’s sin and not the law which is not good (Rom 7:12-13) (Rom 7:14) God’s law is spiritual! Isn’t that why we walk in spirit? As (Rom 7:12) so the law is holy, just and good, when walked in by the spirit we too can be holy, just and good through Jesus Christ? Prior to salvation we walked in the flesh (Rom 7:5). How else would you have known what sin was if not by the law? Rom 7:7

Why brothers and sisters do we speak disparagingly of the Law when it not only was given to us by God’s own hand, but let us know what sin is? Was it better that we be ignorant of sin? Does this ignorance make us sinless? If so what need would we have for a savior? Our Lord did not do away with the law. He reinforced it. He’s the one who gave it to us in the first place!

If we fail to acknowledge the law, how then will you tell those who do not know the Lord that they are sinners and in need of a Savior? Try answering the question of what is sin without the law!

I guess the best answer I can come up with for this poll would be ‘No” for the flesh, and “Yes” in the spirit. Look at my Avatar and see why I picked it! The battle rages on! Yet I know I have victory in the Lord! 1 Cor 15:57

 

[jiggyfly]

Why brothers and sisters do we speak disparagingly of the Law when it not only was given to us by God’s own hand, but let us know what sin is? Was it better that we be ignorant of sin? Does this ignorance make us sinless? If so what need would we have for a savior? Our Lord did not do away with the law. He reinforced it. He’s the one who gave it to us in the first place!

Please post scripture that states that God gave His law to anyone outside the nation of Israel? That God reinforced the law or that God did not do away with the law.

If we fail to acknowledge the law, how then will you tell those who do not know the Lord that they are sinners and in need of a Savior? Try answering the question of what is sin without the law!

Tis the job of the HolySpirit.

But it is actually best for you that I go away, because if I don't, the Counselor [fn] won't come. If I do go away, he will come because I will send him to you. And when he comes, he will convince the world of its sin, and of God's righteousness, and of the coming judgment. John 16:7&8

"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay no greater burden on you than these requirements: You must abstain from eating food offered to idols, from consuming blood or eating the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality. If you do this, you will do well. Farewell." Acts 15:28&29

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear JiggyFly,

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So our Lord in the verses in Matthew that I quoted and Paul out of Romans was speaking to the Jew alone?

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Tell me the difference between the Law of the flesh and the Law of the Spirit? One to which we are not held accountable to which you speak of which is the flesh I also agree with you on, and the other that makes us holy, just, and good because it is exactly what is transforming us in the spirit through Christ Jesus. Paul talked about circumcision of the flesh, yet we are circumcised in the spirit! Col 2:11 Rom 2:29 1 Cor 7:19 Phil 3:3

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So if I don’t want to steal, lie, murder, commit adultery, what law am I following? Is it the one of the flesh or the one of the spirit? Don’t look at them temporally, rather spiritually! Each one can be taken both ways! Yet it’s by the spirit through our Lord Jesus Christ we are victorious my brother!

 

[jiggyfly]

Dear JiggyFly,

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So our Lord in the verses in Matthew that I quoted and Paul out of Romans was speaking to the Jew alone?

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Tell me the difference between the Law of the flesh and the Law of the Spirit? One to which we are not held accountable to which you speak of which is the flesh I also agree with you on, and the other that makes us holy, just, and good because it is exactly what is transforming us in the spirit through Christ Jesus. Paul talked about circumcision of the flesh, yet we are circumcised in the spirit! Col 2:11 Rom 2:29 1 Cor 7:19 Phil 3:3

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So if I don’t want to steal, lie, murder, commit adultery, what law am I following? Is it the one of the flesh or the one of the spirit? Don’t look at them temporally, rather spiritually! Each one can be taken both ways! Yet it’s by the spirit through our Lord Jesus Christ we are victorious my brother!

Just post the scriptures first and we can move on from there.