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Am I required to follow the Law?
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Thought I had
Can you please post them again with the verses printed out and include your interpretation of what each one means to you?
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yes how about this special "love" found in acts 5 ,because it is all the same Love!
Darling it's a package deal, it cost everybody including HIM everything.. it's all in or forget it. it's a marriage// not a date.
is it as simple as
He does not required anyone to fulfill the law!
but He also does not require that anyone go to heaven either.
back at ya!
yes how about this special "love" found in acts 5 ,because it is all the same Love!
Darling it's a package deal, it cost everybody including HIM everything.. it's all in or forget it. it's a marriage// not a date.
is it as simple as
He does not required anyone to fulfill the law!
but He also does not require that anyone go to heaven either.
back at ya!
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The numbers next to the associated verses is the associated commandment number.
Did not have to note which commandments in this since our Lord readily identified them.
This post which was posted earlier, attempts to sum it up.
Hope this helps.
Why are you having trouble with printing out the verses of scripture that you believe supports your opinion?
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I found out that when you move your mouse (pointer) over the verse that is printed or refrenced, it will show the verse in the KJV. Saves some time and duplication of effort. Thought if it will help your brother, I'll type them all out if you want. It took it a while to realize that you could do this so I used to type out the verse.
Let me know and I'll repost with the scriptures typed out.
I am familiar with the cursor tool but it is much easier for the readers if you print them out and then give your interpretation.
I am not sure why your reluctant to do so unless, ofcourse, you are unable to correctly substantiate you belief.
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Ease up brother
I read on this site that it was suggested that the better posts needed to be brief. I can be long winded in my typing so was trying to be brief by showing the book and verse only and allowing the individual to also read the verse within the context of what I was writing. That this method seems to upset you I apologize for this. I'll rewrite the post including the complete written verse, to hopefully provide you with a better understanding of the position I hold, and what I gather from reading His Most Holy Word. That's why I post here to have an honest dialogue between who I hope are believers in Christ Jesus with no intent to ever express a knowledge that is complete in understanding or wisdom in its total use. YBIC
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To help those who might have had difficulty in following this repost without the verses in long hand. I apologize for any confusion or misunderstanding. That we may continue to grow in truth! Iron sharpens iron! YBIC
A Yes/No kind of question - 03-04-11, 08:12 PM
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Psalm 40:8 “I delight to do thy will O my God yea thy law within my heart”
Isa 51:7 “Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law, fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their reviling”
Prov 3:1 “My son forget not my law, but let thine heart keep my commandments”
Psa 119:34 “Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy law; yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart”
Only our Lord could follow the perfect law. Yet as the above verses show, Godly men have always desired to follow it. Why? To be pleasing to our God, for it was by His hand that we were given it. God being so loving, knowing we couldn’t help but fail in its following in the state (sin) we were in, provided us sinners all, a saving grace! That grace reflected in the being of our Lord Jesus Christ as an atoning sacrifice!
Our Lord rather than negating the need to follow the law, made it even more stringent.
Matthew 5: 28 “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” This is reflective of the 7th Commandment
Mat 5:21,22 “(21) Ye have heard that it said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: (22) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” Sixth Commandment (6th)
Mat 6:24 “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.” First and Second Command (1st, 2nd)
The Law is complete in Him and He being in us should have no second thoughts in following it as well.
Matthew 5:17 “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.”
Keep in mind that the first two commandments if followed allow us to follow the rest
Mat 22:36-40 “(36) Master, which (is) the great commandment in the law? (37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (38) This is the first and great commandment. (39) And the second (is) like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. (40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”
As you well know our Lord was not saying that following the law was the way to be saved, but with guidance a way to be Holy for our God.
John 16:13 “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he hall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, (that) shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”
Are we capable of following His law without this guidance? My answer would be no. If we also see God’s law as only associated with the flesh, then once again the answer would be, that we are incapable in following it.
Yet we believers are to walk in the spirit. This puts us in constant battle with the flesh!
Romans 7:21-25. “(21) I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. (22) For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: (23) But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. (24) O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? (25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.”
As Romans 7:25 “I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.” shows that it’s through Jesus Christ that our mind serves the law of God, it’s the flesh that serves the law of sin. Is that why we walk in the spirit and not the flesh? Knowing that walking in the spirit is how we are made holy and not by walking in the flesh.
Romans 8:1 “(There is) therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”
It’s sin and not the law which is not good.
Rom 7:12-13 “(12) Wherefore the law (is) holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. (13) Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.”
Rom 7:14 “For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.”
God’s law is spiritual! Isn’t that why we walk in spirit? As (Rom 7:12 “Wherefore the law (is) holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.”) so the law is holy, just and good, when walked in by the spirit we too can be holy, just and good through Jesus Christ? Prior to salvation we walked in the flesh (Rom 7:5 “For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.”).
How else would you have known what sin was if not by the law?
Rom 7:7 “What shall we say then? (Is) the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.”
Why brothers and sisters do we speak disparagingly of the Law when it not only was given to us by God’s own hand, but let us know what sin is? Was it better that we be ignorant of sin? Does this ignorance make us sinless? If so what need would we have for a savior? Our Lord did not do away with the law. He reinforced it. He’s the one who gave it to us in the first place!
If we fail to acknowledge the law, how then will you tell those who do not know the Lord that they are sinners and in need of a Savior? Try answering the question of what is sin without the law!
I guess the best answer I can come up with for this poll would be ‘No” for the flesh, and “Yes” in the spirit. Look at my Avatar and see why I picked it! The battle rages on! Yet I know I have victory in the Lord!
1 Cor 15:57 “But thanks (be) to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.”
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Because of Jesus' death on the cross...the veil was torn...if we believe, receive Him as Lord, and live for Him...He has promised us the Holy Spirit...we have Jesus in the form of the Holy Spirit in us...the works of the law are dead. But then jiggyfly already explained that!
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Being a Christian has never been about rule keeping. Its about being disciples of Christ, being lead into relationship with Him; a relationship that purifies our hearts.
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Awesome my Brother! Exactly! Thank-you! Alleluia! Alleluia! Alleluia!
Gal 6:12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
Gal 6:13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.
Gal 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
Gal 6:13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.
Gal 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
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The Law that I love
Whenever you hear persons commending a low standard of religion, a low standard of morality, whenever you find them vindicating lax views of right and wrong, you may rest assured that the spirit that is in them is not the spirit of the holy God, but it is the spirit of their sinful nature; yea, the spirit of Satan may have come in to make the human spirit even worse than it was before.
But, does your heart delight in God’s law? Is there a charm in that which is right to your soul? Is there a beauty in that which is virtuous to your Spirit’s eye? Do you especially admire the character of Jesus because “in his life the law appears drawn out in living characters?” If so, then I trust, dear friends, you give evidence that you have been made partakers of the divine nature, that you are regenerate, and though there is evil in you still, yet there is the life of God in you which will resist the evil and subdue it, till you are brought safely to his right hand.
From a sermon by Charles Haddon Spurgeon entitled "Why Am I Thus?," delivered March 14, 1872.
Whenever you hear persons commending a low standard of religion, a low standard of morality, whenever you find them vindicating lax views of right and wrong, you may rest assured that the spirit that is in them is not the spirit of the holy God, but it is the spirit of their sinful nature; yea, the spirit of Satan may have come in to make the human spirit even worse than it was before.
But, does your heart delight in God’s law? Is there a charm in that which is right to your soul? Is there a beauty in that which is virtuous to your Spirit’s eye? Do you especially admire the character of Jesus because “in his life the law appears drawn out in living characters?” If so, then I trust, dear friends, you give evidence that you have been made partakers of the divine nature, that you are regenerate, and though there is evil in you still, yet there is the life of God in you which will resist the evil and subdue it, till you are brought safely to his right hand.
From a sermon by Charles Haddon Spurgeon entitled "Why Am I Thus?," delivered March 14, 1872.
The LAW of JESUS CHRIST is Not a lesser law! It a greater law! It an eternal law!
We are under the laws of Faith and Love!
We now instead of one day a week , give Every day to our LORD JESUS! We willingly give all He asks of Us! He not hard on Us! He tells us to take care of our families first or we are worse than infidels!
he not worried about these churches here ! He concerned about them preaching truth!
He came to free us! Not put heavy burden's on us!
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
Under love , we will not hurt others we will not steal or kill or any evil things unless we must?
Under Faith ?We trust in our LORD even unto death!
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
1Co 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
Eph 6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
These Two laws are the Only LAWS HE writes in our Hearts!
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
1Ti 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
He trusted us with our families first! We must put them first!
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith
The law He is talking about is the law of Moses!
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
The law He is talking about here is the law of Moses!
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
2Ti 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
2Co 1:24 Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand. 2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Sorry this is so long! We need to know the TRUTh !The truth sets us FREE ! I could make this LOTS LONGER
We are under the laws of Faith and Love!
We now instead of one day a week , give Every day to our LORD JESUS! We willingly give all He asks of Us! He not hard on Us! He tells us to take care of our families first or we are worse than infidels!
he not worried about these churches here ! He concerned about them preaching truth!
He came to free us! Not put heavy burden's on us!
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
Under love , we will not hurt others we will not steal or kill or any evil things unless we must?
Under Faith ?We trust in our LORD even unto death!
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
1Co 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
Eph 6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
These Two laws are the Only LAWS HE writes in our Hearts!
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
1Ti 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
He trusted us with our families first! We must put them first!
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith
The law He is talking about is the law of Moses!
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
The law He is talking about here is the law of Moses!
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
2Ti 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
2Co 1:24 Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand. 2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Sorry this is so long! We need to know the TRUTh !The truth sets us FREE ! I could make this LOTS LONGER
Hey David can you elaborate, I'm not sure which confusion of law and grace you are referring.
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Am I required to follow the Law?
The Law was given to the Israelite`s. (not the Gentiles)
The Israelite`s could not keep the Law. (how shall a Gentile?)
The Law was the Israelite`s only hope of redeeming themselves under the Old Covenant. (the Gentiles were never under the Law, they were a law unto themselves)
Grace is the only hope for both the Israelite`s and Gentiles for redemption under the New Covenant...
Grace redeems us by the washing and regeneration of the Holy Spirit...
(there is not one single example in all the history of humanity to show that the Law ever made a new man out of anyone)
So Am I required to follow the Law?
I ask, now why would God go to all the trouble of doing for man, what he proved over the span of thousands of years, that he simply could not do.
The Law was never much help to man, (in making him any more righteous) why would it be any help him now?
I am already fully redeemed by faith in the blood of Jesus Christ. The Law has nothing on Him. (though it would still have plenty to say against me if not for Christ) I am free from the guilt the Law. My record is clean.
Did I mention I am FREE?
It is finished. (and so am I lol) :embarasse
"Merit is an unknown word in the Christian church; it is banished once for all; and our only shoutings over foundation or topstone are, “Grace, grace unto it!” "
- Spurgeon
The Law was given to the Israelite`s. (not the Gentiles)
The Israelite`s could not keep the Law. (how shall a Gentile?)
The Law was the Israelite`s only hope of redeeming themselves under the Old Covenant. (the Gentiles were never under the Law, they were a law unto themselves)
Grace is the only hope for both the Israelite`s and Gentiles for redemption under the New Covenant...
Grace redeems us by the washing and regeneration of the Holy Spirit...
(there is not one single example in all the history of humanity to show that the Law ever made a new man out of anyone)
So Am I required to follow the Law?
I ask, now why would God go to all the trouble of doing for man, what he proved over the span of thousands of years, that he simply could not do.
The Law was never much help to man, (in making him any more righteous) why would it be any help him now?
I am already fully redeemed by faith in the blood of Jesus Christ. The Law has nothing on Him. (though it would still have plenty to say against me if not for Christ) I am free from the guilt the Law. My record is clean.
Did I mention I am FREE?
It is finished. (and so am I lol) :embarasse
"Merit is an unknown word in the Christian church; it is banished once for all; and our only shoutings over foundation or topstone are, “Grace, grace unto it!” "
- Spurgeon
