Am I required to follow the Law?
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Was trying to figure out how to communicate what I've been trying to say without having to repeat scriptures which have been previously used by me or others. After praying and being unable to sleep, I felt compeled to write, and write some more. I wrote page after page when a picture of a chart/table came to to my mind. Scribbled it on a pad that I keep by my bed, and was finally able to get some sleep. Thanking the Trinity. My spirit and my body finally got some rest. Below is what was given to me to say. As always your brother in Christ.
-------------God's Perfect Law-------------
---Non-Believer--------------Believer
----- Flesh-------------------Spirit
--Condemnation-----------Accountability
Restricts (Controls)-----------Frees
-------------God's Perfect Law-------------
---Non-Believer--------------Believer
----- Flesh-------------------Spirit
--Condemnation-----------Accountability
Restricts (Controls)-----------Frees
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Yes indeed David there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding and confusion concerning the old and new covenants, law and Spirit.
This is exactly what Paul was dealing with in much of his ministry.
2Cor. 3:7-11 The old way, [fn] with laws etched in stone, led to death, though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses' face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away shouldn't we expect far greater glory under the new way, now that the Holy Spirit is giving life? If the old way, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new way, which makes us right with God! In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new way. So if the old way, which has been replaced, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new, which remains forever!
Hebrews 10:1 The old system under the law of Moses was only a shadow, a dim preview of the good things to come, not the good things themselves. The sacrifices under that system were repeated again and again, year after year, but they were never able to provide perfect cleansing for those who came to worship.............
Hebrews 10:7 Then I said, 'Look, I have come to do your will, O God— as is written about me in the Scriptures.'"...
Hebrews 10:9&10 Then he said, "Look, I have come to do your will." He cancels the first covenant in order to put the second into effect. For God's will was for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, once for all time.
Hebrews is a good read and chapter 10 is very beneficial in correcting this confusion (kept in context of course).
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Act 21:20And when they heard they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: Act 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. Act 21:22What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. Act 21:23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; Act 21:24Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. Act 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no commandment
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AudreyNicole
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I have a question!
I have a question!!!.......
What is "the Law"?
I have a question!!!.......
What is "the Law"?
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Awesome Question!
LOL! Great Joy! Loved your question! For as much as the discussion has been about "Am I required to follow the Law?"
Below I've provided the Strong's Concordance definition of the most common usage of the word "Law" and an example in both the NT and OT. I pray this helps you out some! If not I pray that a more learned believer will contribute in assisting you and thereby me! Always learning, always growing! YBIC
8451 (Strong’s/Hebrew) OT mostly used in the old testament when law is talked about.
1) law, direction, instruction
a) instruction, direction (human or divine)
1) body of prophetic teaching
2) instruction in Messianic age
3) body of priestly direction or instruction
4) body of legal directives
b) law
1) law of the burnt offering
2) of special law, codes of law
c) custom, manner
d) the Deuteronomic or Mosaic Law
Example: Ex 24:12 KJV And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
3551 (Strong’s/Greek) NT mostly used in the new testament when law is talked about.
1) anything established, anything received by usage, a custom, a law, a command
a) of any law whatsoever
1) a law or rule producing a state approved of God
a) by the observance of which is approved of God
2) a precept or injunction
3) the rule of action prescribed by reason
b) of the Mosaic law, and referring, acc. to the context. either to the volume of the law or to its contents
c) the Christian religion: the law demanding faith, the moral instruction given by Christ, esp. the precept concerning love
d) the name of the more important part (the Pentateuch), is put for the entire collection of the sacred books of the OT
Example: Gal 4:5 KJV To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
LOL! Great Joy! Loved your question! For as much as the discussion has been about "Am I required to follow the Law?"
Below I've provided the Strong's Concordance definition of the most common usage of the word "Law" and an example in both the NT and OT. I pray this helps you out some! If not I pray that a more learned believer will contribute in assisting you and thereby me! Always learning, always growing! YBIC
8451 (Strong’s/Hebrew) OT mostly used in the old testament when law is talked about.
1) law, direction, instruction
a) instruction, direction (human or divine)
1) body of prophetic teaching
2) instruction in Messianic age
3) body of priestly direction or instruction
4) body of legal directives
b) law
1) law of the burnt offering
2) of special law, codes of law
c) custom, manner
d) the Deuteronomic or Mosaic Law
Example: Ex 24:12 KJV And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
3551 (Strong’s/Greek) NT mostly used in the new testament when law is talked about.
1) anything established, anything received by usage, a custom, a law, a command
a) of any law whatsoever
1) a law or rule producing a state approved of God
a) by the observance of which is approved of God
2) a precept or injunction
3) the rule of action prescribed by reason
b) of the Mosaic law, and referring, acc. to the context. either to the volume of the law or to its contents
c) the Christian religion: the law demanding faith, the moral instruction given by Christ, esp. the precept concerning love
d) the name of the more important part (the Pentateuch), is put for the entire collection of the sacred books of the OT
Example: Gal 4:5 KJV To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
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The Mosaic law was for Israel.Gentiles in the old testament were under the Noachide Laws:
#1 no Idolatry
#2 no murder
#3 no theft
#4 no sexual immorality
#5 no blasphemy
#6 no eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive
#7 establish court of law
According to Judaism, any non-Jew who lives according to these laws is regarded as a Righteous Gentile, and is assured of a place in the world to come.
A christian should operate out of love not formulas.
Non sin Example:
Proverbs 26:4. Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Proverbs 26:5. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
These verses seem a contradiction but they define a situational awareness that requires spiritual discernment.
Judge not lest you be judged.
Treat others the way you would like to be treated.
Sometimes listening to the Holy Spirit is a recipe for disaster in our eyes.How many well meaning friends told Hosea that marrying a prostitute was a very bad idea.How many Spirit filled Christians warned Paul that if he went to Jerusalem he would end up arrested.He was listening to the same Spirit but his situational awareness of the message was that love demanded he be there.
#1 no Idolatry
#2 no murder
#3 no theft
#4 no sexual immorality
#5 no blasphemy
#6 no eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive
#7 establish court of law
According to Judaism, any non-Jew who lives according to these laws is regarded as a Righteous Gentile, and is assured of a place in the world to come.
A christian should operate out of love not formulas.
Non sin Example:
Proverbs 26:4. Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Proverbs 26:5. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
These verses seem a contradiction but they define a situational awareness that requires spiritual discernment.
Judge not lest you be judged.
Treat others the way you would like to be treated.
Sometimes listening to the Holy Spirit is a recipe for disaster in our eyes.How many well meaning friends told Hosea that marrying a prostitute was a very bad idea.How many Spirit filled Christians warned Paul that if he went to Jerusalem he would end up arrested.He was listening to the same Spirit but his situational awareness of the message was that love demanded he be there.
GODs law actually is quite simple to follow if the persone doing so is truely HIS.
and that is keeping GODs commandments
this is explained best how to be done in the gospels of
matthew 27
mark 12
and luke 10
to love the lord your god with all your heart all your soul all your mind and all your strength, and to love your neighbour as yourself
this is the law
for a believer its easy to kep the first 4 of the 10 commandments they naturally love GOD . but more ofyen they fall with some of the last 6 but this is also easy because jesus tells us in john how that is done
john 13
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
anything beyond that is a religious practice/sacrifice and all the new testiment teaching deals with that .
and that is keeping GODs commandments
this is explained best how to be done in the gospels of
matthew 27
mark 12
and luke 10
to love the lord your god with all your heart all your soul all your mind and all your strength, and to love your neighbour as yourself
this is the law
for a believer its easy to kep the first 4 of the 10 commandments they naturally love GOD . but more ofyen they fall with some of the last 6 but this is also easy because jesus tells us in john how that is done
john 13
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
anything beyond that is a religious practice/sacrifice and all the new testiment teaching deals with that .
so by doing unto others as you would have done to yourself is not the answer ?
think about it everything JESUS did was doing that exact thing glorified by the death on the cross
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Soooooooo,
We are, in a sense, required to follow the law?... But it is not as much as a requirement as it is a natural tendency which comes with being saved? Kinda like the difference between a hobby and a chore... we do it because we want to, not because we're told too.
Is this correct?... I always thought as Christians we were to still follow the law (i.e. the things God commands of us), but because we're saved we aren't subject to the consequences of breaking the law. To say that we don't have to follow the law seems to say that we are allowed to idolize, murder, be unfaithful, lie, etc.
We are, in a sense, required to follow the law?... But it is not as much as a requirement as it is a natural tendency which comes with being saved? Kinda like the difference between a hobby and a chore... we do it because we want to, not because we're told too.
Is this correct?... I always thought as Christians we were to still follow the law (i.e. the things God commands of us), but because we're saved we aren't subject to the consequences of breaking the law. To say that we don't have to follow the law seems to say that we are allowed to idolize, murder, be unfaithful, lie, etc.
basically yes , but its more because we are born again to CHRIST the law becomes a part of us.
its like going from an unhealthy lifestyle to a healthy lifestyle, changing diets routines ect.
with some people a change like this is an easy transition they buy healthy food exorcize overnight it seems they are a differant person, with others it takes longer , but in BOTH CASES that change is in them to stay.
like christians its the same some are radically changed others take time
because we are CHRISTS in a way we are the law
the first 4 of the 10 commadments are directed towards someones attitude to GOD there done by "loving the LORD your GOD with all your heart, all your mind, all your soul, and all your strenth.
the next 6 are how our attitude towards man must be this ios done by "loving your neighbour as yourself"
we will make mistakes there wil be times we miss the mark but the commandments are there to point us back to JESUS because he has paid allready for those mistakes , this dosent mean though that we may willfully go out and murder steal cheat ect because that is a deliberate act and we will be held accountable to that. its like the old "wet paint" on the parkbench sighn your nose will smell the wet paint but many wont be perswaded by that they must touch it, then there all upset because they have sticky wet pain on their hands they cannot clean.
what many have forgotten is GOD does understand we make mistakes thats a small part of his grace , but he will judge deliberate acts against his will.
untill we realise just how "stained" we are many will keep looking at the commandments as a LAW to follow and not as the desires of out heart
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Its not about us performing for God's approval. Its about Him being free to work in us to change us and make us more Christlike in our thinking. (see Php 2:12-13)
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i recently anwsered the question about folling the law. i will stand by my answer. i have been questined about the ten commanmens, and true we follow them, that is not all of the law given to moses. the book of levitcus is about the law. we have no burn offerings, wave offering, peace offering,just a couple, do you all celabrate the feasts, do you eat only certain foods,do you follow the jewish life style, do you go to church on saturday or sunday, my point is the 10 commandents are not all of the law,, so i will stand by my answer no i am no longer under the but grace. thanks to jesus Christ and the work of the cross. t
i recently anwsered the question about folling the law. i will stand by my answer. i have been questined about the ten commanmens, and true we follow them, that is not all of the law given to moses. the book of levitcus is about the law. we have no burn offerings, wave offering, peace offering,just a couple, do you all celabrate the feasts, do you eat only certain foods,do you follow the jewish life style, do you go to church on saturday or sunday, my point is the 10 commandents are not all of the law,, so i will stand by my answer no i am no longer under the but grace. thanks to jesus Christ and the work of the cross. t
Good reply SpiritLedEd.
Dear Audrey, this is often a very confused topic amongst Christians.
Essentially what happens when you believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, is that you become a new creation in Christ.
This is the new spiritual Audrey, in Christ all is forgiven. You no longer are controlled by the desires and actions of your flesh. You are regenerating under the power of the Holy Spirit.
Therefore, it is imperative that you understand that there is no law for those in Christ. The law was specifically for the Jews. Law is aimed at the flesh. Law brings the awareness of sin, this sin leads to death. We cannot obey the law Audrey. Paul explains this in the book of Romans.
We as Christians are only required to love one another. Christ was the fulfillment of the law for us. In Christ and only through Christ do we avoid judgement. Beautiful and simple, 100% scriptural.
Dear Audrey, this is often a very confused topic amongst Christians.
Essentially what happens when you believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, is that you become a new creation in Christ.
This is the new spiritual Audrey, in Christ all is forgiven. You no longer are controlled by the desires and actions of your flesh. You are regenerating under the power of the Holy Spirit.
Therefore, it is imperative that you understand that there is no law for those in Christ. The law was specifically for the Jews. Law is aimed at the flesh. Law brings the awareness of sin, this sin leads to death. We cannot obey the law Audrey. Paul explains this in the book of Romans.
We as Christians are only required to love one another. Christ was the fulfillment of the law for us. In Christ and only through Christ do we avoid judgement. Beautiful and simple, 100% scriptural.
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@Christ4Ever: We're no longer under the law, we're under grace (in Christ).
Those who live by the law will perish by the law.
Those who live by the law will perish by the law.
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Simply said---If you are allowing the Holy Spirit of God to love your neighbor through you then it would be very difficult to break any of Gods divine laws concerning that neighbor---If you really have love for the guy---Are you going to steal from him, try to seduce his wife etc. etc.---An uneducated pig farmer from Ohio can figure that out
Gods Law
Gravity---What goes up must come down
Temp-----Boils at 212*
Love------Doeth no wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Happy
Gods Law
Gravity---What goes up must come down
Temp-----Boils at 212*
Love------Doeth no wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Happy
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No, we are commanded again and again to follow HolySprit. The law leads to death but HolySpirit gives life.
