ܒܨܘ ܟܬܒܐ ܕܒܗܘܢ ܡܣܒܪܝܢ ܐܢܬܘܢ ܕܚܝܐ ܕܠܥܠܡ ܐܝܬ ܠܟܘܢ ܘܗܢܘܢ ܣܗܕܝܢ ܥܠܝ
Um, thanks, but no. I’d rather read a book about biblical narrative, value, worldview, influence, etc. I know what the Bible says, what I don’t know is the theme and background of each of the 66 books, you know. Instead of traditional verse by verse breakdown, I need a holistic view, first comb through the summary, the overarching narrative of one book, then each portion (which could be one or multiple chapters), then each section (usually has a subtitle, such as each of the seven churches), and nail down to particular verses and words at last. It is frustrating and tragic that from a western reductionist mind set, most people study in the reverse order, they analyze words and verses first, then expand their understanding to the portions and the book, and you wonder how they can’t see the forest for the trees.
Uh.. maybe. I had thought that until I compared the Greek interlinear with the KJV. You'd be surprised.
Ah... that's what's called an OT Survey or NT Survey in seminary... So something like this book, then:
Just realize that those subtitles are not in the original texts. Somebody else put them in. One needs to be aware of Tradition masquerading as scholarship. As an example, it is well espoused that the gospel named Matthew was written by a Jew to Jews to explain why Jesus is the Messiah. But that can't be true. No educated Jew would make the mistakes about prophecies that are found in Matthew, and no educated Jew would accept them as accurate. I've found Matthew more likely to have been written by a Greek to Greeks, trying to convince them why they should follow a Jew. (There were these prophecies, you see....)
Oh I understand, especially given this verse:
Pardon my confusion, are you no longer a moderator? ( I had thought you were, might I have been wrong?)
Yep... sounds like shut 'em all up... a somewhat historical Catholic position, you know, (cf. Cathars).
Actually no. We don't "all have the ability to confirm Scripture by means of Scripture itself, by observing how the Holy Spirit uses words..." when in fact you don't have the words that the Holy Spirit used if you are reading an English bible. (And that's easy to prove.)
Hello @Rhema,
Hmm, I'm not so sure about that. "Educated Jews" at the time would be the Pharisees, Sedducees, Scribes and Lawyers, but just because they were "educated" doesn't mean they were wise. You may regard them as "educated Jews", but Jesus saw them differently: "You have heard what it's said (by these "educated Jews"); "Have you ("educated Jews") not read?" "Woe to you, you hypocrites!"
Dear Chris,I am not, and have never been a moderator.
Apparently that would be the case. From my perspective, though, I basically heard that my life's work was worthless since we already have translations. And perhaps it is. What is one to do with the OP position that the KJV "is the best" ?? I shall admit, though, that I have a hard time suffering such absurdity that can only be the result of a paucity of education cowering behind a pretense of bombastic certitude. And very little hope that any of it shall change.
And yet I happen to know Satan's core purpose, and it has very little to do with Christians at all. He is self centered and always has been. The truth is he doesn't care about you people one whit.
2 Tim. 3:16 is a purposeful mistranslation. The Greek text doesn't say anything of the sort that is found in the KJV. But I gather that since it would cause an uproar were I to post the correct English, then I should just decline to explain further. But the RV comes close.
With respect, he was better off. As you now have the Bible today, there are a number of misleading passages; upon which, then, definitions have been changed, resulting at times in a lie two layers deep. Was it mere chance that the Reformation is only 500 years old and that the previous 1,500 years were mired in darkness despite the Great Light?
I'm not sure. Do you have Kittel's available as a resource?
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Were that the case, Chris, you would not have said what you just did. And that's the thing that overwhelms me with sorrow. How could I even attempt to explain?
If you have the wrong words, your understanding cannot be opened. That's been my point. Or else the Holy Spirit, as has been in my case, would tell you, "Yeah, that's not what should have been written...." (But my apologies for the presumption that this may not have happened with you.)
Don't be Judeo-centric. Please take some time to learn about Philo and the Jewish schools in Alexandria as well as Rome.
You treat scripture with reckless abandon, sir. For shame. Adding in words to change the meaning? (You should really take care... I mean speaking of hypocrites and all...)
Hello @Rhema,Dear Chris,
My utter apologies. I'm not sure then from where I got that idea. (Oh dear...)
Apparently that would be the case. From my perspective, though, I basically heard that my life's work was worthless since we already have translations. And perhaps it is. What is one to do with the OP position that the KJV "is the best" ?? I shall admit, though, that I have a hard time suffering such absurdity that can only be the result of a paucity of education cowering behind a pretense of bombastic certitude. And very little hope that any of it shall change.
And yet I happen to know Satan's core purpose, and it has very little to do with Christians at all. He is self centered and always has been. The truth is he doesn't care about you people one whit.
2 Tim. 3:16 is a purposeful mistranslation. The Greek text doesn't say anything of the sort that is found in the KJV. But I gather that since it would cause an uproar were I to post the correct English, then I should just decline to explain further. But the RV comes close.
... every scripture inspired of God that is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness:(2 Timothy 3:16 RV~)
With respect, he was better off. As you now have the Bible today, there are a number of misleading passages; upon which, then, definitions have been changed, resulting at times in a lie two layers deep. Was it mere chance that the Reformation is only 500 years old and that the previous 1,500 years were mired in darkness despite the Great Light?
I'm not sure. Do you have Kittel's available as a resource?
Theological Dictionary of the New Testament by Kittel
Buy Theological Dictionary of the New Testament by Kittel ISBN 10th edition or 1984 edition Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (10 Volume Set) Gerhard Kittel
The works of Simcha Jacobovici?
To some extent we are indeed better off. But only a very few. Not many. Are we winning? I've found so many people who view themselves as heartfelt committed believers and yet flat out reject this verse -
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.(Matthew 28:18 KJV)
- claiming that Satan is the power on this earth, or the god of this world. (He is neither.) Please don't get me wrong, perhaps where you live, the battle, for the most part, is well settled. I get that impression from @Waggles for where he lives. But here? We are in full retreat, and I find that both perplexing and disheartening.
Were that the case, Chris, you would not have said what you just did. And that's the thing that overwhelms me with sorrow. How could I even attempt to explain?
If you have the wrong words, your understanding cannot be opened. That's been my point. Or else the Holy Spirit, as has been in my case, would tell you, "Yeah, that's not what should have been written...." (But my apologies for the presumption that this may not have happened with you.)
Kindly,
Rhema
Maybe, but Jesus had never been to those areas and engaged with any of them. Your futile attempt of diversion doesn't work on me.
No, he was speaking of the Pharisees. "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven," Matt. 5:20.
And this is what I myself believe...
Yes indeed... in THIS world. The one around you... right now. I do not understand why Christians (and more so the Evangelical ones) tend to enthrone Satan as the evil mastermind ruling the world like some Bond villain controlling things behind the scenes. As you've shown, it is just not Biblical. (So why does it "look" that way?) Well we can have that conversation if you wish, but that would need a different thread. Let me know if you start one and would like me to participate.
Which is what led me to ask... "Are we winning?"
Indeed the WORKS of the devil. ( I note, not the devil himself... ) Again we could have a conversation about what composes those works, But I would like it to be known that the exhibits of sin that you see shown are exclusively man's own... all his own... all his own.
Mr. Gale,
The second part of the verse, which you so conveniently omitted:
Oh really? Paul might have travelled to Spain, but when did Jesus? It is you who should grow up so you can tell the fact from fiction.
