Bible Problem

[NetChaplain]

“As the Emperor Constantine embraced Christianity, it became necessary for him to choose which Bible he would sanction. He preferred the one edited by Eusebius and written by Origen, the outstanding intellectual figure that had combined Christianity with Gnosticism in his philosophy, even as Constantine was himself the political genius that was seeking to unite Christianity with pagan Rome.” –Which Bible, David Otis Fuller, D.D., page 195, first paragraph

This is why the Catholic religion embraces so many anti-Christian doctrines, like the doctrine of “Immaculate Conception”: “the conception of the Virgin Mary in which as decreed in Roman Catholic dogma her soul was preserved free from original sin by divine grace.” –Merriam/Webster Dictionary

 

[Twistie]

“As the Emperor Constantine embraced Christianity, it became necessary for him to choose which Bible he would sanction. He preferred the one edited by Eusebius and written by Origen, the outstanding intellectual figure that had combined Christianity with Gnosticism in his philosophy, even as Constantine was himself the political genius that was seeking to unite Christianity with pagan Rome.” –Which Bible, David Otis Fuller, D.D., page 195, first paragraph

This is why the Catholic religion embraces so many anti-Christian doctrines, like the doctrine of “Immaculate Conception”: “the conception of the Virgin Mary in which as decreed in Roman Catholic dogma her soul was preserved free from original sin by divine grace.” –Merriam/Webster Dictionary

I found out also that the KJV the king who wrote separated from the Catholic church cause the pope refused to allow him a divorce.. n it was a must that u followed or b executed in those times..


Twistie

 

[B-A-C]

I found out also that the KJV the king who wrote separated from the Catholic church cause the pope refused to allow him a divorce

I don't think that was King James, I'm pretty sure that was Henry the VIII.

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[Brad Huber]

I don't think that was King James, I'm pretty sure that was Henry the VIII.

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Dont know how many king James there were, but I heard some nasty stuff about him ("a" king James).

 

[B-A-C]

Dont know how many king James there were, but I heard some nasty stuff about him ("a" king James).

I'm old but not that old, I didn't know him personally

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[NetChaplain]

I found out also that the KJV the king who wrote separated from the Catholic church cause the pope refused to allow him a divorce.. n it was a must that u followed or b executed in those times..


Twistie

True, and very serious! The Catholic leaders burned Tyndale at the stake for translating Greek manuscripts into English.

 

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' And He said unto them,
These are the words which I spake unto you,
while I was yet with you,
that all things must be fulfilled
which were written
.. in the law of Moses,
.... and in the prophets,
...... and in the psalms,
........ concerning Me.
Then opened He their understanding,
that they might understand the Scriptures,'
(Luke 24:44-45)

Hello there,

The Lord Jesus Christ endorsed the Scriptures, by quoting from them repeatedly. They are the recorded accounts of the, 'sundry times and divers manners', in which God spoke to mankind, 'Holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost ' (2 Peter 1:21), e.g.,:-

'For David himself said by the Holy Ghost,
The LORD said to my Lord,
Sit thou on my right hand,
till I make thine enemies thy footstool,'
(Mark 12:36)

' Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled,
which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas,
which was guide to them that took Jesus.'
(Act 1:16)

'But those things,
which God before had shewed by the mouth of all His prophets,
that Christ should suffer, He hath so fulfilled.'
(Acts 3:18),

'And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed,
after that Paul had spoken one word,
Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,'
(Acts 28:25),

'Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith,
To day if ye will hear His voice, ... ',
(Hebrews 3:7)

'The Holy Ghost this signifying,
that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest,
while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: ... '.
(Hebrews 9:8),

'Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us:
for after that He had said before,
'This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord,
I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;'
(Heb 10:15-16)

* Yes, this is the testimony of the Scriptures themselves concerning their Authorship.

Praise His Holy Name!

 

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'And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures,
which are able to make thee wise unto salvation
through faith which is in Christ Jesus.'
(2 Tim. 3:15)

Subject Heading:- 'Bible Problem' - by @NetChaplain​

The, 'Bible Problem', that the author of the thread has highlighted is of man's making. God is not the author of confusion but of peace: and I believe that 'spiritual wickedness' is causing confusion by the multiplicity of differing interpretations now flooding the market. What was at first deemed to be an aid to Bible understanding, has now become a cause for disagreement and faction between believers, and is inhibiting the sharing in fellowship of Scripture between brothers and sisters in Christ, who all use their own preferred versions. Yet, if each were prepared to consider what they were reading, carefully, using the means available to them to check the original writings against what their own version says, then the problem would go away, but how many of your experience is prepared to take the time and effort to do so.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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List of Totally and Partially Omitted Passages in the Modern Translations

These need to be referenced with a modern translation by comparing them. Totally Omitted Passages Matthew 17:21 Matthew 18:11 Mat 23:14 Mark 7:16 Mark 9:44 Mark 9:46 Mark 11:26 Mark 15:28 Luke 23:17 Acts 24:7 List of omitted Bible phrases 3 Matthew 1:25 4 Matthew 5:22 5...

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Thank you for this also, @NetChaplain

 

[Waggles]

The gospel of salvation is really quite uncomplicated and easy to understand, so that the uneducated and illiterate and the lowly in life can embrace salvation.
It is more a matter of the heart than of intellect and learning.
2Tim 3:7 always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.

The problem is not which version of the Bible one has as favourite, but in repenting from self-will and submitting to Jesus as our Lord.

James 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror.
24 For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like.
25 But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.

 

[NetChaplain]

List of Totally and Partially Omitted Passages in the Modern Translations

These need to be referenced with a modern translation by comparing them. Totally Omitted Passages Matthew 17:21 Matthew 18:11 Mat 23:14 Mark 7:16 Mark 9:44 Mark 9:46 Mark 11:26 Mark 15:28 Luke 23:17 Acts 24:7 List of omitted Bible phrases 3 Matthew 1:25 4 Matthew 5:22 5...

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Thank you for this also, @NetChaplain

Hi, and thanks for your replies! Satan has been attacking God's Word with the first "Yea hath God said" (Gen 3:1), mixing truth with error; and that's the goal of these modern translations, they being the products of Gnostic scholars.

 

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The gospel of salvation is really quite uncomplicated and easy to understand, so that the uneducated and illiterate and the lowly in life can embrace salvation.​

It is more a matter of the heart than of intellect and learning.​

Hello @Waggles,

I agree with you, and praise God, for the word of salvation by which we were saved.

2Tim 3:7 always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.​

This is such a sad verse isn't it, but there but for the grace of God go you or I.

The problem is not which version of the Bible one has as favourite, but in repenting from self-will and submitting to Jesus as our Lord.​

Where salvation is concerned the version of the Bible by which you came to believe is not the issue, I agree. I find your words, '... in repenting from self-will and submitting to Jesus as our Lord ...' in regard to salvation, a strange choice. Was that your own experience?

James 1:22-25

22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.​

23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer,​

he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror.​

24 For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like.​

25 But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres,​

being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.​

Good choice of verses here, @Waggles. What version was that by the way?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Curtis]

I use "Esword" with 41 different translations. I read them all, but the KJV, NKJV versions are my favorite.

 

[Waggles]

in repenting from self-will and submitting to Jesus as our Lord ...' in regard to salvation, a strange choice. Was that your own experience?

How else can one embrace the gospel of salvation?
Matthew 16:24 Then said *Jesus to his disciples, If any would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his *cross, and follow me.
25 For whoso would save his *life shall lose it: and whoso shall lose his *life for my sake shall find it. [NENT]

 

[Waggles]

What version was that by the way?

That copy and paste comes from the ESV - English Standard Version - HarperCollins have a anglicised spelling version so as to keep us safe from Webster.
ISBN 978-0-00-814615-3 (black) - 2 (blue) -5 (burgundy)
I highly recommend the ESV for readability and integrity to the scriptures. Many of the KJV errors and interpolations have been removed.

As for the Greek New Testament there is no better volume than
"The Greek New Testament From The Greek Text As Established by Bible Numerics" edited by Ivan Panin, 1914
If you love your thees and thous and ye then this is for you as Ivan has kept the KJV spelling in this edition.
Fortunately now there is a new version with modernized U.S. spelling, but one has to take what one can get.
"Numeric English New Testament - Greek Plural Words Identified" - edited for contemporary vocabulary 2012 by Mark Vedder and Jim Thompson
readily available through Amazon now that they have bought out and shut down The Book Depository.
ISBN 978-0-9839522-8-2
Retains many of the older scriptural wording such as fornication rather than sexual immorality.
But the real issue here is that Ivan Panin in 50+ years of Biblical study was able to discern the arithmetic patterns of seven that was woven throughout
ever word, verse and paragraph - thus sealing the word of God - the holy Scriptures - from all additions [interpolations] from monks and scribes.
[KJV] Matt 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
[NENT] this verse is omitted here because it is not in the original Greek -
[KJV] Mark 9:29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.
[NENT] Mark 9:29 And he said to them, This *kind can come out by nothing, save by prayer.
This is also doctrinally consistent with Jesus' teachings on why his disciples did not need to fast while they were with him.
The * used before words indicate that in the original Greek there is the definitive article for "the."

 

[Twistie]

I don't think that was King James, I'm pretty sure that was Henry the VIII.

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No it's the dude that had the kjv written cause he wanted a divorce n the pope said no so he separated from the catholic church apparently his wife was given him daughters n he wanted a son .. guess he didn't know its the male that chooses the sex.. idk
But that how the kjv came to be..

Twistie

 

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How else can one embrace the gospel of salvation?​

Matthew 16:24 Then said *Jesus to his disciples, If any would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his *cross, and follow me.​

25 For whoso would save his *life shall lose it: and whoso shall lose his *life for my sake shall find it. [NENT]​

Thank you for responding to my post, @Waggles. You have opened up some interesting thoughts in my mind, which I hope to follow through, but which could derail this thread if expressed here.

That copy and paste comes from the ESV - English Standard Version - HarperCollins have a anglicised spelling version so as to keep us safe from Webster.​

ISBN 978-0-00-814615-3 (black) - 2 (blue) -5 (burgundy)​

I highly recommend the ESV for readability and integrity to the scriptures. Many of the KJV errors and interpolations have been removed.​

​

As for the Greek New Testament there is no better volume than​

"The Greek New Testament From The Greek Text As Established by Bible Numerics" edited by Ivan Panin, 1914​

If you love your thees and thous and ye then this is for you as Ivan has kept the KJV spelling in this edition.​

Fortunately now there is a new version with modernized U.S. spelling, but one has to take what one can get.​

"Numeric English New Testament - Greek Plural Words Identified" - edited for contemporary vocabulary 2012 by Mark Vedder and Jim Thompson​

readily available through Amazon now that they have bought out and shut down The Book Depository.​

ISBN 978-0-9839522-8-2​

Retains many of the older scriptural wording such as fornication rather than sexual immorality.​

But the real issue here is that Ivan Panin in 50+ years of Biblical study was able to discern the arithmetic patterns of seven that was woven throughout​

ever word, verse and paragraph - thus sealing the word of God - the holy Scriptures - from all additions [interpolations] from monks and scribes.​

[KJV] Matt 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.​

[NENT] this verse is omitted here because it is not in the original Greek -​

[KJV] Mark 9:29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.​

[NENT] Mark 9:29 And he said to them, This *kind can come out by nothing, save by prayer.​

This is also doctrinally consistent with Jesus' teachings on why his disciples did not need to fast while they were with him.​

The * used before words indicate that in the original Greek there is the definitive article for "the."​

Thank you, again. @Waggles,

* I, like @Curtis (in Reply #73), use 'e-sword.net', which gives me access to other versions, including the ESV.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Waggles]

* I, like @Curtis (in Reply #73), use 'e-sword.net', which gives me access to other versions, including the ESV.

e-sword is a great resource and quite affordable.
And because all text is in unicode format it is so simple to copy and paste into text boxes.
You can also get the NENT in e-sword.

 

[Garee]

That copy and paste comes from the ESV - English Standard Version - HarperCollins have a anglicised spelling version so as to keep us safe from Webster.
ISBN 978-0-00-814615-3 (black) - 2 (blue) -5 (burgundy)
I highly recommend the ESV for readability and integrity to the scriptures. Many of the KJV errors and interpolations have been removed.

As for the Greek New Testament there is no better volume than
"The Greek New Testament From The Greek Text As Established by Bible Numerics" edited by Ivan Panin, 1914
If you love your thees and thous and ye then this is for you as Ivan has kept the KJV spelling in this edition.
Fortunately now there is a new version with modernized U.S. spelling, but one has to take what one can get.
"Numeric English New Testament - Greek Plural Words Identified" - edited for contemporary vocabulary 2012 by Mark Vedder and Jim Thompson
readily available through Amazon now that they have bought out and shut down The Book Depository.
ISBN 978-0-9839522-8-2
Retains many of the older scriptural wording such as fornication rather than sexual immorality.
But the real issue here is that Ivan Panin in 50+ years of Biblical study was able to discern the arithmetic patterns of seven that was woven throughout
ever word, verse and paragraph - thus sealing the word of God - the holy Scriptures - from all additions [interpolations] from monks and scribes.
[KJV] Matt 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
[NENT] this verse is omitted here because it is not in the original Greek -
[KJV] Mark 9:29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.
[NENT] Mark 9:29 And he said to them, This *kind can come out by nothing, save by prayer.
This is also doctrinally consistent with Jesus' teachings on why his disciples did not need to fast while they were with him.
The * used before words indicate that in the original Greek there is the definitive article for "the."

Greek numerology like astrology is a for those who do not rightfully divide the living according to the loving commandment that we might seek His approval. .(2 Tim 2:15) warning us not to seek the approval of men .

No adding or subtracting . Right from the start when God hewn out two stones tablets and with his finger he wrote of both sides with no room for oral tradition of dying mankind. There establishing two was the witness of God. . No adding or subtracting from even one word.. to divide. . . is to divide,.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Change the meaning of one word it can affect the whole. all the commandants

Deuteronomy 4: 2 Ye shall not add unto the word (singular) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it,(singular) that ye may keep the commandments(plural) of the Lord your God which I command you.

In that way we seek the hidden understanding found in parables .Parables do the math. . . without the signified tongue of God in Christ He spoke not .

Parables use names as metaphors as well as mixed with numbers metaphors .

Like for instance the birth of the 12 tribes (12 represents the authority of God as whatsoever is in view) each name and number has a hidden gospel understanding. Joseph (God adds) the 7th . . complete perfect .

Genisis29 :34 And she conceived again, and bare a son; and said, Now this time will my husband be joined unto me, because I have born him three sons: therefore was his name called Levi. (joined in harmony) And she conceived again, and bare a son: and she said, Now will I praise the Lord: therefore she called his name Judah; (praise the lord) and left bearing.

Together those joined in harmony praise God together.

Genesis 30:24 And she called his name Joseph; and said, The Lord shall add to me another son.

12 the authority of the matter. . . the division between born again and those from the house of Laban

Can't serve two teaching masters. . Parables and numerology or astronomy.

Genesis 30:25 And it came to pass, when Rachel had born Joseph, that Jacob said unto Laban, Send me away, that I may go unto mine own place, and to my country.

To be born of Joseph the spiritual seed Christ. . . is to be born again from above. The signified tongue. "Let there be"

 

[Rella]

Change the meaning of one word it can affect the whole. all the commandants

Since the bible originally did not have Capitalizations, Paragraphs or Punctuations... just look at the change in
meaning of what we commonly read and we ALL know...

Luke 23:43

And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”

Just move that translator placed comma one word to the right. The verse says the same. The meaning is altered and quite likely.

“Truly I say to you today, you shall be with Me in Paradise.”

My prefered translations are NASB95, Greek/English Interlinear, and the Septuagint aka LXX

I rarely follow King Jimmy's translation unless for comparison.