Can a Christian person have demons?

[Shaolin]

Things aren't always as you say they are. Let's find a doctrine to discuss.

Sure...start a thread on something.

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[God's Truth]

Actually, the Macedonian man was not communicating with Paul telepathically, the Holy Spirit was giving Paul a vision. There is no such thing as telepathy, and if someone does have some kind of ability like that, it is because he is demon possessed.

Blessings!

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While I think you are right that Paul just had a vision, we should be careful about calling something as being from a demon.

 

[God's Truth]

Sure...start a thread on something.

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Do you already have a thread on a topic you want more discussion on?

 

[joestue]

Yeah but nothing about the spirit of a person in another person. Right?

There are things not in the bible because the average person should not even know that such a thing is possible, and satan seems to not even be able to tempt people with the idea.

The duffer brothers (stranger things) and the folks who wrote the Locke and key material, and the folks who wrote the material for the french series "black spot"
have hit it out of the ballpark exposing millions of people to things that ought not be possible but are actually real for a small percentage of the population, my wife was legitimately on the DID spectrum (largely healed of it now) and cannot watch any of those episodes from those three series, because many of the things in there are accurate for what she experienced inside her mind. Demons physically locking you out of your body in a cage, for about 18 years.. yes, it is possible.

To make matters even more interesting, the main character in the series black spot looks and acts like my ex did. A woman who may have tried to get me to get herself pregnant when i was 7, but i don't know yet for sure what happened. i do know i cried a lot watching that series, but don't know why.. i don't have those emotions anymore.. I need to explore the idea that demonic succubis experiences in which the demon was in the form of that woman.. was actually what caused my dissociation. but i can't tell, and at the moment i'm convinced that the part of my mind which experienced those things died and left me in 2017. As a result i never recovered its memories.

Because the vast majority of these experiences are profoundly personal, sexual and identity in nature, people do not usually talk about them.

I was sent to this forum for one purpose only, which was to talk to a certain person here concerning this kind of thing. So anyhow, i also spent a year praying and talking to a woman (R) trapped in the twin flame deception, and initially as you i didn't believe it was actually possible for people to leave their body and inhabit another person. But the proof that it actually happened to R and C was the fact that both of them went nuts almost immediately after their mutual experiences. she was left devastated after he went to jail, and the "good" part of her boyfriend (C) was providing her spirit with love joy peace patience, kindness, imagination, zeal for life.. and God told her no. do not follow him. but she did anyways and God removed his presence from her until she turned back to him which i don't think has happened yet. she is still saved i think, but feels as if she lost her salvation when she chased after C. Literally everything i prophetically confronted her about turned out to be true, and she reluctantly admitted it slowly. I was able to uncover the root reason why her spirit/soul was traumatized, and.. it oddly makes sense in a DSM-V compatible way. But, I am convinced one of his dissociated alters was able to leave his body and reside in hers.

So anyhow, both me and my ex are on the dissociation spectrum. And for part of a human spirit to leave the body you have to have another part stay otherwise you'd be passed out unconscious. and.. this is why: satan desires to traumatize children to induce dissociation. if you can lock part of the spirit out of the body you'd never know it exists. you'd never pray for it. it would never find salvation.

In my case, I don't think part of my ex's spirit ever actually resided in my body, because when it left i didn't feel it leave, and it didn't leave any memories behind. but it was near me, giving me suggestions, influencing my actions for a long time. and the shame associated with whatever we did together was the inspiration for part of my mind keeping "me" in the dark about this until someone else plainly told me what was going on. It thought i was the Christ and it believed the host to be condemned. it took a few months but i convinced it i'm not Jesus and forgiveness was possible if she would die (i did not want her residing with me) but in hindsight i'm not sure it would have been sin. so anyhow.. i did hear from it recently. she has returned to the host. this implies the host is not condemned and if my wife's dream is accurate.. we will go visit her in a hospital and pray for her at some future time.


anyhow i'm surprised the moderators haven't deleted this entire thread.

 

[joecoten]

Alright, eats some Ice Cream guys, blowing head gaskets, if you have no Ice Cream, grab a ice cube, and slip it down your pants! And count backwards beginning at Three.

Think I'll pass on the ice cube! Lol

 

[God's Truth]

There are things not in the bible because the average person should not even know that such a thing is possible, and satan seems to not even be able to tempt people with the idea.

The duffer brothers (stranger things) and the folks who wrote the Locke and key material, and the folks who wrote the material for the french series "black spot"
have hit it out of the ballpark exposing millions of people to things that ought not be possible but are actually real for a small percentage of the population, my wife was legitimately on the DID spectrum (largely healed of it now) and cannot watch any of those episodes from those three series, because many of the things in there are accurate for what she experienced inside her mind. Demons physically locking you out of your body in a cage, for about 18 years.. yes, it is possible.

To make matters even more interesting, the main character in the series black spot looks and acts like my ex did. A woman who may have tried to get me to get herself pregnant when i was 7, but i don't know yet for sure what happened. i do know i cried a lot watching that series, but don't know why.. i don't have those emotions anymore.. I need to explore the idea that demonic succubis experiences in which the demon was in the form of that woman.. was actually what caused my dissociation. but i can't tell, and at the moment i'm convinced that the part of my mind which experienced those things died and left me in 2017. As a result i never recovered its memories.

Because the vast majority of these experiences are profoundly personal, sexual and identity in nature, people do not usually talk about them.

I was sent to this forum for one purpose only, which was to talk to a certain person here concerning this kind of thing. So anyhow, i also spent a year praying and talking to a woman (R) trapped in the twin flame deception, and initially as you i didn't believe it was actually possible for people to leave their body and inhabit another person. But the proof that it actually happened to R and C was the fact that both of them went nuts almost immediately after their mutual experiences. she was left devastated after he went to jail, and the "good" part of her boyfriend (C) was providing her spirit with love joy peace patience, kindness, imagination, zeal for life.. and God told her no. do not follow him. but she did anyways and God removed his presence from her until she turned back to him which i don't think has happened yet. she is still saved i think, but feels as if she lost her salvation when she chased after C. Literally everything i prophetically confronted her about turned out to be true, and she reluctantly admitted it slowly. I was able to uncover the root reason why her spirit/soul was traumatized, and.. it oddly makes sense in a DSM-V compatible way. But, I am convinced one of his dissociated alters was able to leave his body and reside in hers.

So anyhow, both me and my ex are on the dissociation spectrum. And for part of a human spirit to leave the body you have to have another part stay otherwise you'd be passed out unconscious. and.. this is why: satan desires to traumatize children to induce dissociation. if you can lock part of the spirit out of the body you'd never know it exists. you'd never pray for it. it would never find salvation.

In my case, I don't think part of my ex's spirit ever actually resided in my body, because when it left i didn't feel it leave, and it didn't leave any memories behind. but it was near me, giving me suggestions, influencing my actions for a long time. and the shame associated with whatever we did together was the inspiration for part of my mind keeping "me" in the dark about this until someone else plainly told me what was going on. It thought i was the Christ and it believed the host to be condemned. it took a few months but i convinced it i'm not Jesus and forgiveness was possible if she would die (i did not want her residing with me) but in hindsight i'm not sure it would have been sin. so anyhow.. i did hear from it recently. she has returned to the host. this implies the host is not condemned and if my wife's dream is accurate.. we will go visit her in a hospital and pray for her at some future time.


anyhow i'm surprised the moderators haven't deleted this entire thread.

It sounds like you have been going through a lot in your life. I don't know of the show you are talking about, those type of shows are not something I entertain. I worry about this generation having access to so much, in the form of video games and movies, etc, might damage their psyche.
Since the Bible doesn't speak of people being able to posses another's body, it is not something I would even consider. I hope you find peace though.

 

[joecoten]

There are things not in the bible because the average person should not even know that such a thing is possible, and satan seems to not even be able to tempt people with the idea.

The duffer brothers (stranger things) and the folks who wrote the Locke and key material, and the folks who wrote the material for the french series "black spot"
have hit it out of the ballpark exposing millions of people to things that ought not be possible but are actually real for a small percentage of the population, my wife was legitimately on the DID spectrum (largely healed of it now) and cannot watch any of those episodes from those three series, because many of the things in there are accurate for what she experienced inside her mind. Demons physically locking you out of your body in a cage, for about 18 years.. yes, it is possible.

To make matters even more interesting, the main character in the series black spot looks and acts like my ex did. A woman who may have tried to get me to get herself pregnant when i was 7, but i don't know yet for sure what happened. i do know i cried a lot watching that series, but don't know why.. i don't have those emotions anymore.. I need to explore the idea that demonic succubis experiences in which the demon was in the form of that woman.. was actually what caused my dissociation. but i can't tell, and at the moment i'm convinced that the part of my mind which experienced those things died and left me in 2017. As a result i never recovered its memories.

Because the vast majority of these experiences are profoundly personal, sexual and identity in nature, people do not usually talk about them.

I was sent to this forum for one purpose only, which was to talk to a certain person here concerning this kind of thing. So anyhow, i also spent a year praying and talking to a woman (R) trapped in the twin flame deception, and initially as you i didn't believe it was actually possible for people to leave their body and inhabit another person. But the proof that it actually happened to R and C was the fact that both of them went nuts almost immediately after their mutual experiences. she was left devastated after he went to jail, and the "good" part of her boyfriend (C) was providing her spirit with love joy peace patience, kindness, imagination, zeal for life.. and God told her no. do not follow him. but she did anyways and God removed his presence from her until she turned back to him which i don't think has happened yet. she is still saved i think, but feels as if she lost her salvation when she chased after C. Literally everything i prophetically confronted her about turned out to be true, and she reluctantly admitted it slowly. I was able to uncover the root reason why her spirit/soul was traumatized, and.. it oddly makes sense in a DSM-V compatible way. But, I am convinced one of his dissociated alters was able to leave his body and reside in hers.

So anyhow, both me and my ex are on the dissociation spectrum. And for part of a human spirit to leave the body you have to have another part stay otherwise you'd be passed out unconscious. and.. this is why: satan desires to traumatize children to induce dissociation. if you can lock part of the spirit out of the body you'd never know it exists. you'd never pray for it. it would never find salvation.

In my case, I don't think part of my ex's spirit ever actually resided in my body, because when it left i didn't feel it leave, and it didn't leave any memories behind. but it was near me, giving me suggestions, influencing my actions for a long time. and the shame associated with whatever we did together was the inspiration for part of my mind keeping "me" in the dark about this until someone else plainly told me what was going on. It thought i was the Christ and it believed the host to be condemned. it took a few months but i convinced it i'm not Jesus and forgiveness was possible if she would die (i did not want her residing with me) but in hindsight i'm not sure it would have been sin. so anyhow.. i did hear from it recently. she has returned to the host. this implies the host is not condemned and if my wife's dream is accurate.. we will go visit her in a hospital and pray for her at some future time.


anyhow i'm surprised the moderators haven't deleted this entire thread.

I know a woman on another forum site who has a thread...

Understanding MPD/DID & SRA/MK​

 

[joestue]

So none of my memories are admissible in court because prophetic information from other people preceded them...

And I will also say that most of the people posting in the twinflame subreddit have a language structure similar to people with BPD. I find this substantially fascinating because in order for a spiritual deception to fill a void... There must first be one. And the type of identity confusion that people with BPD have, does lend itself to filling your identity voids with someone else's.
Jesus is the only person who can actually heal this stuff.. but so few...

 

[Shaolin]

While I think you are right that Paul just had a vision, we should be careful about calling something as being from a demon.

There are certain things that human beings cannot do because we were not created to be able to do them. No person has "telepathy," if some did then all would. God did not create us to think to each other, He created us to speak to each other. Its like walking up walls - we do not have that capability, if someone is walking up a wall then he is demon possessed.

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[Shaolin]

Do you already have a thread on a topic you want more discussion on?

I just started one today on the Biblical teaching on how a person can receive salvation.

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[joestue]

When the apostles were telling Paul through the spirit not to go to Jerusalem... That is the only verse in the NT that omits the word Holy from the word spirit.

Everywhere else a demon is referred to as a demon or specifically an unclean spirit.

As for myself, I've heard from other people's angels a handful of times. One of them told me my brother needed to apologize to someone, so I told him that and he did...

 

[God's Truth]

There are certain things that human beings cannot do because we were not created to be able to do them. No person has "telepathy," if some did then all would. God did not create us to think to each other, He created us to speak to each other. Its like walking up walls - we do not have that capability, if someone is walking up a wall then he is demon possessed.

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I don't know much about telepathic stuff but I have heard of people knowing what other people were thinking. I would just be careful about calling it demonic. I remember visiting a church before and the pastors could tell what people had on their minds, of course they said it was from God, I'm not sure about it always being from God but would be careful about calling it demonic. Pentecostals say seeing a ghost is really seeing a demon. I would definitely not go along with that belief.
In the Bible Jesus made a boat with people on it supernaturally appear from one place to another, he also walked on water, and the Holy Spirit caused Philip to supernaturally go from one place to another with his physical body, and Paul speaks of going somewhere with out his body in his spirit.

 

[God's Truth]

I just started one today on the Biblical teaching on how a person can receive salvation.

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Oh good topic. I'll look for the thread.

 

[Garee]

I don't know much about telepathic stuff but I have heard of people knowing what other people were thinking. I would just be careful about calling it demonic. I remember visiting a church before and the pastors could tell what people had on their minds, of course they said it was from God, I'm not sure about it always being from God but would be careful about calling it demonic. Pentecostals say seeing a ghost is really seeing a demon. I would definitely not go along with that belief.
In the Bible Jesus made a boat with people on it supernaturally appear from one place to another, he also walked on water, and the Holy Spirit caused Philip to supernaturally go from one place to another with his physical body, and Paul speaks of going somewhere with out his body in his spirit.

I would offer. It would seem to me that Hollywood has aided in destroyed the true meaning of many words used in biblical spiritual places. like "demonic" even claiming mankind could cast them out . A Catholic rite as a law of the fathers or oral traditions of men they were passed on from sects like the Sadducees with Pharisees.. Same government of man different fathers.

The first century reformation spoken of in Hebrew 9 had no effect on their own law the legion of fathers (oral tradition) called today apostolic succession , Changing the meaning of the word apostle. (sent one) calling themselves venerable ones the new meaning those that lord it over the non venerable faith.

We do know God is not bringing any new revelations as "prophecy" (God declaring his will to mankind) after any manner . We have the perfect living word that can work in us empowering us to do His good pleasure if we obey it as it is written . We are Lovingly commanded in Timothy to rightly divide it not add to it or subtract from it (sola scriptura) In that way we can seek the approval of Him not seen. And not mankind seen (the antichrists ; another teaching authority other the the Holy Spirit ) Yoked with him we can seek His approval. .Without him we can do nothing

Mind reading is of the spirit of this world called demonic, the lying spirit that works in all the hearts of the unbelievers and foolish believers as revealed in Galatians 3: .

Interesting below what I would call double blessing used when ever a phrase is repeated like "hearing of faith" and other seem to emphasize t the point ?

Galatians 3King James Version O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

He will be deceiving mankind as long as we remain under the Sun. And the Holy Spirit will be sending strong delusion that they might keep the demonic lies.


2 Thessalonians 2:8-12King James Version And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[God's Truth]

I would offer. It would seem to me that Hollywood has aided in destroyed the true meaning of many words used in biblical spiritual places. like "demonic" even claiming mankind could cast them out . A Catholic rite as a law of the fathers or oral traditions of men they were passed on from sects like the Sadducees with Pharisees.. Same government of man different fathers.

The first century reformation spoken of in Hebrew 9 had no effect on their own law the legion of fathers (oral tradition) called today apostolic succession , Changing the meaning of the word apostle. (sent one) calling themselves venerable ones the new meaning those that lord it over the non venerable faith.

We do know God is not bringing any new revelations as "prophecy" (God declaring his will to mankind) after any manner . We have the perfect living word that can work in us empowering us to do His good pleasure if we obey it as it is written . We are Lovingly commanded in Timothy to rightly divide it not add to it or subtract from it (sola scriptura) In that way we can seek the approval of Him not seen. And not mankind seen (the antichrists ; another teaching authority other the the Holy Spirit ) Yoked with him we can seek His approval. .Without him we can do nothing

Mind reading is of the spirit of this world called demonic, the lying spirit that works in all the hearts of the unbelievers and foolish believers as revealed in Galatians 3: .

Interesting below what I would call double blessing used when ever a phrase is repeated like "hearing of faith" and other seem to emphasize t the point ?

Galatians 3King James Version O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

He will be deceiving mankind as long as we remain under the Sun. And the Holy Spirit will be sending strong delusion that they might keep the demonic lies.


2 Thessalonians 2:8-12King James Version And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

I think you make a good point about Hollywood doing something outside of the Bible about demon possession. As for the mind reading though, or should I say the psychic type of reading was done by the disciples who had the gift to do that. See this scripture:


1 Corinthians 14:22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: 25And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.


So if you read that scripture it shows us that those with the gift of prophecy could also tell about what is on a person's heart, or mind. Does that not sound like a psychic reading to you? However, not called a psychic reading as the kind people do that aren't of God.

I believe the gift of prophecy has ceased a long time ago, but some people do still believe in it today. They believe in it even though they know they can't add a single new word to the Bible, but they use it in a psychic reading way and tell people what has been going on with them.

When I was a baby Christian and thought I should find a church to become a member of I went to visit this one church I did not know that they believed in their being nowadays prophets, but was astonished that they could read my mind, or should I say they could tell me what had been on my heart and mind. They did it to many of the people in the church, they would say something like, "Someone in the church today is dealing with addiction", or "Someone in the church here is concerned about..." I had something on my heart and mind so unique and different that their getting it right was proof enough to me that they had a special ability.

I have heard of some Pentecostal type churches that have actually said things like someone is going to die.
I know that prophets in the Bible told people such things, but I'm not going to one of these churches, because if they are so in tuned with the Spirit of God and can tell people what is going on with them and what will happen to them, then why are they still doing false speaking in tongues, and why are they teaching false faith alone doctrine, etc.

 

[God's Truth]

So none of my memories are admissible in court because prophetic information from other people preceded them...

And I will also say that most of the people posting in the twinflame subreddit have a language structure similar to people with BPD. I find this substantially fascinating because in order for a spiritual deception to fill a void... There must first be one. And the type of identity confusion that people with BPD have, does lend itself to filling your identity voids with someone else's.
Jesus is the only person who can actually heal this stuff.. but so few...

Jesus can heal for sure, like you said though, so few. Why some get an amazing supernatural mental and or physical healing and others don't is something we will not fully understand I guess.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Your daddy?

Do you really think you should label others as narcissistic?

To claim they have no sameness is not truth.
I had a neighbor who came over with a dog and told me my dog kept coming to her house, she also at one time told me to pick up her grand kids at school for her.
The dog was hers and her grand kids moved to another state.
She was angry at me for not taking the dog.
She got angry for not helping her pick up her grandchildren.

Do you really think you should label others as narcissistic?
If the signs are there it's a safe bet....and why should I not label you a narcissist? You labeled me as mentally ill and said I should not take part in this group....That's hypocricy You show no signs of even being a Christian other than your bragging

 

[joestue]

Jesus can heal for sure, like you said though, so few. Why some get an amazing supernatural mental and or physical healing and others don't is something we will not fully understand I guess.

In addition to that, not everyone has the same mental abilities either.

There was a rather lengthy thread on the eevblog forum about dreams. One engineer said he has total recall in his dreams of everything he has ever read in his life, and he gets as much work done while sleeping as he does awake.

One woman's testimony at a conference for pre birth experiences started her talk with a warning: she got really good at getting out of her body in the spiritual realm at age 4 to 5. And then a male voice speaking with authority told her "get back in your body and never do that again"

Why one person can do that and others don't, and why God doesn't give everyone that strong of a warning...only God knows.

 

[Shaolin]

When the apostles were telling Paul through the spirit not to go to Jerusalem... That is the only verse in the NT that omits the word Holy from the word spirit.

Um...I'm sorry, but this is not even close to the truth...there are 310 verses in the NT alone where the word "spirit" is found, and out of those 310, 154 of those references that are addressing the Holy Spirit do NOT have the word "holy" before them. For example...

Matthew 4:1
Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.

Luke 2:27
And he came in the Spirit into the temple, and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him according to the custom of the Law,

John 3:8
The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."

Acts 5:9
But Peter said to her, "How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out."

I won't bother posting the other 150 passages...

As for myself, I've heard from other people's angels a handful of times...

This is a scary statement...I will let it go at that.

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[Shaolin]

I don't know much about telepathic stuff but I have heard of people knowing what other people were thinking.

Not trying to be argumentative, but if I see a guy looking at a good-looking woman (or vice versa), I can pretty much know what they are thinking about...

I would just be careful about calling it demonic. I remember visiting a church before and the pastors could tell what people had on their minds, of course they said it was from God, I'm not sure about it always being from God but would be careful about calling it demonic.

The spiritual gift of the word of knowledge would be what you might be referring to here, and it is a legitimate gift of the Spirit given to certain people who are saved and walking with God (as all of the spiritual giftings are), however, this is very different from demonic sources...of course. One who claims to be telepathic is not a person receiving his information from the Spirit of God.

Pentecostals say seeing a ghost is really seeing a demon. I would definitely not go along with that belief.

Not just Pentecostals...but anyone who knows the facts on the subject. A "ghost" is supposed to be the spirit of a dead human being that for whatever reason cannot "cross over." The Bible tells us that when a human being dies, he either goes to hell or to heaven immediately - no human spirits "linger" on earth because that is not how God has arranged things to be. A "ghost" is a manifestation of a demon, because that is all that it could be, and they do that masquerading for the purpose of drawing people into deception to keep them away from God...just like UFO's.

In the Bible Jesus made a boat with people on it supernaturally appear from one place to another, he also walked on water, and the Holy Spirit caused Philip to supernaturally go from one place to another with his physical body, and Paul speaks of going somewhere with out his body in his spirit.

Absolutely correct - and all of these events had a commons source that caused these things to happen - God!

Blessings!

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