Can God Die ?

[Curtis]

Physical death = when your spirit leaves your body.

Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Spiritual death = being spiritually separated from God.

Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


Did Jesus physically die when he gave up his spirit on the cross?
Did Jesus spiritually die when God the Father placed the sins of the world upon him?

What did Jesus say about his Father while on the cross

Did God the Son die on his cross?

Could Jesus's "human nature" be enough to raise himself from the dead?

Jesu said he had the power to lay down his own life and he had the power to raise it back up.

John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have the power to lay it down, and I have the power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Only a divine being could raise himself up from the dead.

What kind of effect would that have had on God the Son and God the Father having never been separated from each other before?

 

[Rhema]

@Rhema Something else to note. 5 Point Calvinists all believe in annihilationism.

Yeah... No they don't. I would suggest you become better informed on that issue.

 

[Rhema]

Bummer. I left my shears out in the shed; I'll have to get them.....aah found them.
A little here a little there.
Much better.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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Glee does not become you.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Glee does not become you.

I feel not joy but a sense of resignation towards the forthcoming events, which I refuse to let dishearten me, due to the absence of fraternal warmth from those whose posts I have removed and who have shown such indifference towards one another.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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P.S. No need to respond to this, since it will only provide me more to prune in the future.

 

[B-A-C]

@Rhema Something else to note. 5 Point Calvinists all believe in annihilationism.

?? Which part of TULIP Is this?

 

[KingJ]

?? Which part of TULIP Is this?

It is not. Also not a requirement, but they all believe it.

It is the only 'partially sane' belief they hold.

Imagine they believed in partiality and eternal punishment. I am glad to know that that would be too much for even them.

 

[KingJ]

Yeah... No they don't. I would suggest you become better informed on that issue.

Most, if not all do. It is taught from the pulpit at Calvinist churches. Our resident Calvinists will agree. @Brightfame52 and @Dylan569.

 

[KingJ]

Yeah... No they don't. I would suggest you become better informed on that issue.

This reply by you is also well cherry picked. Seems I need to get my popcorn as you are dancing around my post # 12 and # 35 to you.

 

[Rhema]

It is not. Also not a requirement, but they all believe it.

A sweeping statement like this without any proof is mere vain imagination.

Most, if not all do. It is taught from the pulpit at Calvinist churches.

As if you are informed about what is taught from the pulpit at Calvinist churches. From your posts, it sounds as if your skin would melt upon you even entering a Calvinist church. (When was your last time? Mine was back in August... I travel a lot.)

This reply by you is also well cherry picked.

It's YOUR claim. YOU need to cite proof. Just one. Show me just one website of a mainstream Calvinist Church that has annihilation in their statement of faith, or in their doctrinal principles.

But you won't. Because it's not there, and you realize you'd be wasting your time or have to admit your MISTAKE.

So since you won't put up... then ...

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Seems I need to get my popcorn as you are dancing around my post # 12 and # 35 to you.

Dancing? No. I'm IGNORING your post #12 and #35. (I thought you understood that.)




(You do know that post #12 was from Dave....)

 

[KingJ]

Dancing? No. I'm IGNORING your post #12 and #35. (I thought you understood that.)

If I believed in annihilationism I would also want to ignore post 35. It exposes a pet theory that does not hold water.

(You do know that post #12 was from Dave....)

I will be sure to mail you a noddy badge.

 

[KingJ]

A sweeping statement like this without any proof is mere vain imagination.


As if you are informed about what is taught from the pulpit at Calvinist churches. From your posts, it sounds as if your skin would melt upon you even entering a Calvinist church. (When was your last time? Mine was back in August... I travel a lot.)


It's YOUR claim. YOU need to cite proof. Just one. Show me just one website of a mainstream Calvinist Church that has annihilation in their statement of faith, or in their doctrinal principles.

But you won't. Because it's not there, and you realize you'd be wasting your time or have to admit your MISTAKE.

So since you won't put up... then ...

Rhema

Imagine actually going to a Calvinist church. You tie yourself up in so many knots when you try sound smart.

I have chatted with many Clavinists over the years. No, I don't need to attend a meeting to know what they preach when I can Google or engage with them on the net.

But sure, that one time you went they did not preach that so you must be right. Dude, if only you had half the IQ you claim to have.

 

[Rhema]

I will be sure to mail you a noddy badge.

And you wonder why I don't engage with you.

 

[KingJ]

And you wonder why I don't engage with you.

You don't?

So many much ado about nothing posts from you all dancing around post # 16 and # 35.

 

[Rhema]

You don't?

You have a nice day.

 

[KingJ]

You have a nice day.

Nice evasion from dealing with the fact that your belief incriminates God and does not support true free will.

You are responding to interrogation of your belief just as our resident Calvinists do, that's for sure!

 

[Bill]

We are told "One of the foundational Christian doctrines is that Jesus is God." It is called a synchronous mystery.
Synchronous means "happening at the same time". Mystery means that no one can explain it.
Whilst reading the the book of Romans I came across following statement Rom 10:9 ..".God hath raised him (Jesus) from the dead."..this brought to mind the foundational Christian doctrines mentioned above and my attempt to understand this paradox, and to reconcile it with Rom. 10:9.
According to the doctrine, "Jesus is God" the question begs an answer, who died on the cross ?
Can God die ?
This concept flies in the face of half a dozen scriptures. If you read the Bible you know most of them.
Did God raise Himself from the dead? according to God's word the dead are conscious of nothing and incapable of any action (Ecc9:5).
Was it just a ""pretend" death ?
How can anyone reconstruct a unique dead almighty God ? Wouldn't that one have to be even more powerful than God?
Alternatively did just a third of God die or if we follow the new doctrine did half of God die ? In that case the new bothersome question is can someone be half or a third dead and still be dead ?
Maybe a person smarter than I am can answer these question, I certainly can't.

Just a thought.

If God died on the cross (i.e. Jesus) then who raised Jesus?

 

[Rhema]

Nice evasion from dealing with the fact that your belief incriminates God and does not support true free will.

You are responding to interrogation of your belief just as our resident Calvinists do, that's for sure!

(Only from you.)

 

[KingJ]

(Only from you.)

You should not run from questions, no matter who posts them. If your belief cannot survive interrogation, it cannot survive interrogation.

You have it easy here. We all do. If this was a proper debate forum, an atheist site where people don't talk nice or a face to face, I think you would crumble. You need to build more confidence in yourself and your belief. You type like you are very emotional.

 

[Rhema]

You should not run from questions, no matter who posts them. If your belief cannot survive interrogation, it cannot survive interrogation.

And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.​

(Matthew 13:10-11 KJV)

I have no doubt you would chastise Christ himself.

Rhema