Can God Die ?

[KingJ]

And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.​

(Matthew 13:10-11 KJV)

I have no doubt you would chastise Christ himself.

Rhema

Ok, so you have been given the gift of knowing how God can do something evil and still get us to call Him righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17. I think you think God of the bible is from Greek mythology.

 

[Rhema]

Ok, so you have been given the gift of knowing how God can do something evil and still get us to call Him righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17. I think you think God of the bible is from Greek mythology.

Your very reply show you have no understanding of what I believe.

Whether torture or not, eternal ongoing torment of living souls is evil.

Rhema

 

[Curtis]

Whether torture or not, eternal ongoing torment of living souls is evil.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Is it evil for God to give to those who desire good things what they want?
Is it evil for God to give to those who desire evil things (darkness) what they want?

People who wind up in hell's eternal punishment are getting what they have always "loved" which is darkness, and hating "light"

 

[Rhema]

Is it evil for God to give to those who desire evil things (darkness) what they want?

NOBODY wants eternal conscious ongoing torment, whether they buy into the religious fantasies of your translators or not.

And that should tell you something.

People who wind up in hell's eternal punishment are getting what they have always "loved" which is darkness, and hating "light"

People who LOVE to preach eternal conscious ongoing torment for ever and ever have something really wrong with them.

And those who do should fear the darkness of permanent annihilation.

I've presented the truth (with proof') of what the actual Greek texts say, but you seem wont to reject what is written.

May God guide your path,
Rhema

 

[KingJ]

Your very reply show you have no understanding of what I believe.

I can only go on what you type.

Whether torture or not, eternal ongoing torment of living souls is evil.

Well welcome to the discussion, took you a while.

I disagree.

1. Annihilationism is evil by God as it points to no true free will. ''Accept me or die''. Imagine that.

2. Torture does matter. Even one second of torture as explained here Discussion on Torture is pure evil. Torture is a form of sadistic pleasure. It is not punishment.

3. Your statement ''eternal ongoing torment'' is a popular assumption, but it is based on very limited detail from scripture. It is a bad assumption. I believe God will be an amazing prison warden and not unlikely that we assist Him with it.

The evil have chosen to love what is evil and do not want to live with Jesus, the light John 3:19. A good God honours free will of His highly intelligent creation Heb 2:7, and God is good!! Psalm 136:1.

John 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

 

[Rhema]

I disagree.

1. Annihilationism is evil by God as it points to no true free will. ''Accept me or die''. Imagine that.

That makes no sense. "Accept me or die" is certainly based upon free will. Free will is necessitated in order for one to accept anything or not.

The soul that sinneth, it shall die.​

(Ezekiel 18:20 KJV)

I don't think one can be more clear than that. Although to be clear, I have no idea what you mean by "accept me or die."

Don't even you preach a second death for those who do not accept Christ? You're people don't talk about accepting Christ? If not, then what do you preach? If so, then what happens to those who do not accept Christ? (Consider it rhetorical.)

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?​

(John 11:25-26 KJV)

But those who do not believeth, don't they die?

2. Torture does matter. Even one second of torture as explained here Discussion on Torture is pure evil. Torture is a form of sadistic pleasure. It is not punishment.

And I have shown time and time again, TORTURE is the Greek word used in Revelation.

But no, your arrogance extends to changing the definitions of words to satisfy your own itching ears.

3. Your statement ''eternal ongoing torment'' is a popular assumption, but it is based on very limited detail from scripture. It is a bad assumption. I believe God will be an amazing prison warden and not unlikely that we assist Him with it.

Well you do have your wonderful fantasies, I'll give you that.

Good luck with it all when you die,
Rhema

 

[KingJ]

Thanks for reminding me that I am talking to... you.

That makes no sense. "Accept me or die" is certainly based upon free will. Free will is necessitated in order for one to accept anything or not. I don't think one can be more clear than that. Although to be clear, I have no idea what you mean by "accept me or die."

Go to your daughter and tell her that if she does not marry the guy you chose for her, you will kill her.

Tell me how it goes.

The soul that sinneth, it shall die.
(Ezekiel 18:20 KJV) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? (John 11:25-26 KJV) But those who do not believeth, don't they die?

When Adam and Eve were told that about the forbidden fruit, they probably expected actual death. But what actually happened to them? They were not annihilated!

Death in God's vocabulary was and is separation from Him and being in a sinful environment.

Don't even you preach a second death for those who do not accept Christ? You're people don't talk about accepting Christ? If not, then what do you preach? If so, then what happens to those who do not accept Christ? (Consider it rhetorical.)

Well the gospel message is not merely ''believe''. Read this OP to understand what I believe - So tired of Christians not knowing what a Christian is!

And I have shown time and time again, TORTURE is the Greek word used in Revelation.

But no, your arrogance extends to changing the definitions of words to satisfy your own itching ears.

If someone says they are sick and you see they are coughing, does it always mean they have the Ebola virus?

Well you do have your wonderful fantasies, I'll give you that.

God being good and righteous in all His ways is scriptural. Not a fantasy.

Psalm 145:17 God is righteous in all His ways.
Psalm 136:1 God is good.

Good luck with it all when you die,

Thanks. I am terrified of God, that is why I do not misrepresent Him as evil.

No free will = evil
Eternal torture (akin to a brazen bull) = evil

Those who teach these two items need to examine themselves for true ignorance, else judgement day with God is not going to go so well.

Matt 18:6 If anyone causes one of these little ones those who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

 

[Rhema]

Thanks. I am terrified of God,

THAT really says a lot. Thank you.

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.​

(1 John 4:18 KJV)

You have a good day,
Rhema

 

[KingJ]

THAT really says a lot. Thank you.

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.​

(1 John 4:18 KJV)

You have a good day,
Rhema

Fearing God and fearing our Father are two separate topics.

Please try be better. Insulting, mixing two separate topics and completely ignoring the rest of my post to you is trolling.

 

[Rhema]

Fearing God and fearing our Father are two separate topics.

God is my Father. They are not separate.

You have a good day,
Rhema

 

[KingJ]

God is my Father. They are not separate.

Your Father is God and it is the part of Him that is, that you need to fear.

But I am not going to have this discussion with you when you ignore the other items raised against your beliefs.

You have a good day,

Why you running?

 

[th1bill]

According to the doctrine, "Jesus is God" the question begs an answer, who died on the cross ?

The man Jesus died and Yashuah went to Paradise and led the Old Testament Saints through the Holy Coty and then to Heaven.

 

[Rhema]

But I am not going to have this discussion with you...

Why you running?

Make up your mind.

 

[KingJ]

Make up your mind.

You cherry picked one line from post 68 and run away from discussion on the rest.

 

[Rhema]

You cherry picked one line from post 68 and run away from discussion on the rest.

Glad to know you figured that out.
I'm just not having discussion with YOU.
And you should know why by now.
(I think I shall actually give the ignore feature a try.)


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[KingJ]

Glad to know you figured that out.
I'm just not having discussion with YOU.
And you should know why by now.
(I think I shall actually give the ignore feature a try.)


CLICK

When someone holds onto a belief that does not stand up to what is in this instance a very low level of interrogation and also choose to run from the discussion, it is is crystal clear evidence of the belief in question being a pet theory.

Feel free to ignore, having to not respond to someone who does not read or deal with posts to them on a discussion forum is a blessing, not a curse.

Just fyi, putting people on ignore on a discussion forum does not really work. Your best play is to report posts to mods and deal with issues you have with others. As a Christian you should also have a strong backbone. If you can't deal with fellow Christians disagreeing with you, you will get eaten alive on something like an atheist site.