Can our salvation in Christ Jesus ever be jeopardised?

[lentz]

I am no son. And praise God, you can't live my life, but perhaps you can enter into Christ.
Oh worldly man, I do not believe in "luck"; I believe in God and His ever working Power of the cross, you know (where sin hangs)...?

All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

Knock yourself out kid

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Sister,

Greetings in the Lord,
Then one does not love Him, if they do that, nor have they known Him.
Who has known the height, the depth, the width, the girth of God?
I encourage you, push on, only God can lift the dark veil.
All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

I am reminded of the parable of the sower.

Post in peace,

Jesus is the Lord


Bless you ....><>

 

[watertolive]

Greetings Sister,



I am reminded of the parable of the sower.

Post in peace,

Jesus is the Lord


Bless you ....><>

Praise God, I love you my dear brother.
Thank you for your words of encouragement.
All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

Let us slow down.

If our brother or sister has lost their way (literally or according to our judgment) , how might we help them in righteousness?


Bless you all ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

Always, for ever and ever, Amen.

 

[MedicBravo]

Hello there,​

The following is a study I found online, which I thought was worth sharing with you.

Colossians 2:6​

As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:​

This section of teaching looks at The Grace of our Saviour and God Christ Jesus and the good works He has called us to walk in because He has given us the Free Gift of Life.

We are continually saddened by "church leaders" who have not been able to grasp this basic Truth and have not realized that Everlasting Life is The Gift of God bought by the precious blood of The Saviour. They do not acknowledge that if we stumble and fall in our Christian walk with Him, our Everlasting Life is never in jeopardy, for we have been forgiven all trespasses past, present, and future by our all-knowing Father. Some "teachers" present their non-scriptural views with "authority" in the face of many clear Scriptures that reveal how the gifts and calling of God are without repentance (Rom. 11:29).

We never use terms like "Once Saved, Always Saved" as we believe Scripture is the best Teacher and that Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by The Word of God (Rom. 10:17).

We do believe all who have called upon The Name of The Lord have already been given The Gift of Life Everlasting and that this Free Gift cannot be lost, forsaken, or forfeited in any way because God's gifts are age-abiding.

Why we believe this is:​

The word translated "freely" in the New Testament is dorean, and like dorea, dorema, and doron is derived from didomi, "to give." We cannot stress too strongly the blessed fact that justification is an act of Grace, a gift undeserved and unmerited. The word "freely" occurs in The Gospels, the Epistles and Revelation:

"Freely ye have received, freely give" (Matthew 10:8).
"They hated Me without a cause" (John 15:25).
"I have preached to you the gospel of God freely" (2 Corinthians 11:7).
"If righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain" (Galatians 2:21).
"Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought" (2 Thessalonians 3:8).
"The water of life freely" (Revelation 21:6, Revelation 22:17).

The English language will not allow John 15:25 to be translated as "They hated Me freely," but we can say: "They hated Me gratuitously." So in Galatians 2:21, "Christ is dead in vain" (or gratuitously). Romans Chapter 5 places great emphasis on this gratuitous act of God:

"But not as the offense, so also is the free gift. For if through the offense of one many be dead, much more the grace of God and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift; for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offenses unto justification". (Romans 5:15-16).

Here, God uses not only dorea in Rom. 5:15 and dorema in Rom. 5:16 but also charisma, a gift in grace (or gracious gift), translated in both verses as "free gift." We doubt whether any definition of Grace is complete that does not include this element of a gift that is the antithesis of "wages" (Romans 6:23), a gift that is without repentance on the part of The Giver (Rom. 11:29). The "grace-by-faith-salvation" of Ephesians 2:8 "is not of works, but is The Gift of God."

It is the very essence of love to give. Even sinful men and women manifest their mutual love by the exchange of gifts. Children, parents, and friends seize upon birthdays, weddings, and almost any festive season as opportunities to manifest their love through gifts. The Love of God has been shown forever in The Gift of His Son (John 3:16), and it is a repeated characteristic of The Love of Christ that gives and gives freely gifts and Life to all who will accept That Gift (Galatians 2:20; Ephesians 5:2 and Eph. 5:25).

We have been "justified freely," gratuitously, without a cause, "by His Grace." Here, we need to pause so that we may receive the double emphasis upon the "Grace" element of The Gift. Grace is of such a nature that it is entirely made imperfect by the intrusion of "works" or "wages."

"And if by grace, then it is no more of works; otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work" (Romans 11:6).

"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" (Romans 4:4-5).

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal (aionion) life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Rom. 6:23).

"For by grace are ye saved . . . it is the gift of God" (Ephesians 2:8).

Let not our own crude sense of right and wrong rob us of The Truth of this wonderful Gift of Grace. Romans 3:24 states we are "being justified freely by His Grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus." What it does not say is that this freely given justification is because the Lord Jesus earned a legal righteousness for us by His obedience to the law of Moses. Such an idea robs the Grace Gift of its Glory and brings God down to the level of a bargainer with His Son, whereas it is God Himself Who loved the world, God Who sent His Son, God Who justifies us freely, God Who provided the ransom which is payment in full for all sin, past, present and future.

Justification Through Redemption​

Where some schools of theology teach justification through "imputed obedience" under the law, God declared that it is through the "redemption" that is in Christ Jesus (Romans 3:24). The same truth appears in Romans 5:8-9 where we read: "Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by His blood", and again in Romans 4:25: "Who was delivered up because of our offenses, and raised again for our justification." Christ's death dealt with our sin. His blood at once redeems, atones, and makes us near. Redemption sets us free, and long before The Dispensation of Grace dawned, David realized that God would reckon righteousness where He forgave sin.

"Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin" (Rom. 4:6-8).

It was necessary that sin should be righteously dealt with, and that has been done, but it is The Glory of The Gospel that the same Love that prompted our redemption and our deliverance can provide gratuitously, freely, and without cause (except in the Great Love of GodWho Loves us.) "a righteousness of God apart from the law."

Shall we reject this Loving Gift because we do not see just how God could give it to us freely and without some external moving cause on our part? We undervalue far too much the initial movement of God in our Salvation. Who constrained God in the first place to provide a ransom? What works of righteousness were accomplished, and by whom, before He would send His Gift of Love down to die? And all that to a world that rejected Him and was dead in trespasses and sin.

If we take God at His Word and do not add to it or remove it from its context, do we not begin to experience a knowledge of Love that surpasses understanding? Then Scriptures in this Pure Light impart much fuller enlightenment, for example, the words of Romans 8:32:

"He that spared not His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?"

Here is God's own argument. The "Free Gift" of righteousness to the believer in the Lord Jesus is freely covered and provided for in the one Greatest Gift of all, His Own Son. Let no believer ever think that their righteousness is not resting upon a firm enough foundation. All our Everlasting Lives rest on the uninfluenced Grace of God. Its bedrock is The Love of God that changes not and The Truth of The Precious Gift from God, Who is Christ Jesus Himself. The Father gave The Perfect Gift to fallen mankind, and having given His Son, God will freely give with Him, not grudgingly give or have to be persuaded to give, all things that are necessary for the believer's life and glory. This does not refer only to the act of justification but covers all our needs and our eternal blessings.

Justification has altogether a legal signification and has respect, not to what the man is in actual character, but to what the man is held to be in juridical estimation. It is not that change found in a believer, by which he is made a just person, but it is that change in his relation to the law and the Lawgiver. The believers are then reckoned a just person. It describes not the individual's moral rightness but his legal right, and however inseparably the two may be conjoined, in fact, they ought not on that account to be confounded in the idea.

It has been said that the doctrine of justification by faith is held by both Protestant and Roman schools of thought, everything depending, of course, upon exactly what is meant by "faith." It is good, therefore, to be able to express what we mean concerning the freeness of this Gift, and the fact that faith has no merit in it by quoting, insistently, the language of Titus 3:7: "Being justified by His Grace." Justification by Grace is what we believe and what we intend when using the more common expression "justification by faith" as "it is the gift of God".

"Now if you doubt that I am Christ's
If one suspicion lurks
I'll show by deeds that I am His
I'm justified by works.

"I praise the Lord 'tis all of Him
The grace (Romans 3:24), the faith (Romans 5:1), the blood (Romans 5:9).
The resurrection power (Romans 4:25), the works (James 2:18-24),
I'm justified by God".

(With acknowledgments to the unknown author).

Now, the rewards we earn by faithful service can be lost, but never The Gift of Life;​

No.
If Jesus died for our sins then his death was sufficient for all time. On that, there is a big difference between those of us who truly repented and asked God into our lives vs those who "Said some words and did some motions; didn't really change their life and outlook on self and the world. The latter never had it in the first place; aka False Christians.
Those who only go on Easter and Christmas or "when family is in town so don't tell them".
It may be just a building but a church is a common place for us to gather and fellowship among other things. It shows the world "We ain't scurred a' you lost people." Baptism doesn't save nor is required for Heaven but similarly an outward showing to other Christians and the world where we stand.

 

[complete]

No.​

If Jesus died for our sins then his death was sufficient for all time. On that, there is a big difference between those of us who truly repented and asked God into our lives vs those who "Said some words and did some motions; didn't really change their life and outlook on self and the world. The latter never had it in the first place; aka False Christians.​

Those who only go on Easter and Christmas or "when family is in town so don't tell them".​

It may be just a building but a church is a common place for us to gather and fellowship among other things. It shows the world "We ain't scurred a' you lost people." Baptism doesn't save nor is required for Heaven but similarly an outward showing to other Christians and the world where we stand.​

'And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book:
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God;
and that believing ye might have life through His name.'
(Joh 20:30-31)

Hello @MedicBravo,

I agree that the death and resurrection of Christ on our behalf is all-sufficient for the forgiveness of sins, and peace with God. The price of our redemption has been paid.

Praise God! Praise His Holy Name!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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[complete]

Greetings,

Let us slow down.

If our brother or sister has lost their way (literally or according to our judgment) , how might we help them in righteousness?


Bless you all ....><>

'Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault,
ye which are spiritual,
restore such an one
in the spirit of meekness;
considering thyself,
lest thou also be tempted.
(Gal 6:2)

Hello @Br. Bear & @watertolive

When, though a believer, I was on the brink of falling into the abyss of sin, I had two Christian friends who prayed for me. When words did not avail, prayer did. Love lifted me. Their home was open to me, they sought to show me the error of my way, but my mind and heart was engaged in a course of action which would lead to my ruin. Only the intervention of my Saviour prevented me falling further, and lifted me up onto safe ground once more. Looking back I can see His hand at work and the measures He took to prevent my fall, and I am grateful beyond measure.

'But this man, because He continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
Wherefore He is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him,
seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them.'
(Heb 7:24-25)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[B-A-C]

Paul was absolutely assured of his salvation

I wonder if you have scripture for this?

 

[complete]

I wonder if you have scripture for this?

That their hearts might be comforted,
being knit together in love,
and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding,
to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God,
and of the Father, and of Christ;
In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.'
((Col 2:2)

Hello @B-A-C,

I am so surprised that you should require Scriptural proof that Paul had assurance of salvation: when the chief desire that Paul had was that his believing listeners should come unto the full assurance that comes with understanding.

'But this man, (Christ Jesus our risen Lord)
because He continueth ever,
hath an unchangeable priesthood.
Wherefore He is able also to save them to the uttermost
that come unto God by Him,
seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them.'
(Heb 7:24-25)

I believe that Paul wrote the epistle to the Hebrews, and in the verse (above) he tells them that Christ Jesus our risen Lord, saves to the uttermost those that come unto God by Him, for He ever lives to make intercession for them.

This is sufficient for me,
For I believe what is written
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[complete]

'If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss:
but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.'
(1Cor. 3:15)

'For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves:
it is the gift of God:'
(Eph,2:8)

'Not by works of righteousness which we have done,
but according to His mercy He saved us,
by the washing of regeneration,
and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Which He shed on us abundantly
through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
That being justified by His grace,
we should be made heirs
according to the hope of eternal life.'
(Tit. 3:5-7)

Praise God!

 

[B-A-C]

That their hearts might be comforted,
being knit together in love,
and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding,
to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God,
and of the Father, and of Christ;
In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.'
((Col 2:2)

Nothing about the assurance of slavtion here.

'For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves:
it is the gift of God:'
(Eph,2:8)

Nothing about assurance of salvation here.

'Not by works of righteousness which we have done,
but according to His mercy He saved us,
by the washing of regeneration,
and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Which He shed on us abundantly
through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
That being justified by His grace,
we should be made heirs
according to the hope of eternal life.'
(Tit. 3:5-7)

These last two say how we get saved. Nothing about staying saved at all.

 

[B-A-C]

'If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss:
but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.'
(1Cor. 3:15)

For some people that will be true.

'But this man, (Christ Jesus our risen Lord)
because He continueth ever,
hath an unchangeable priesthood.
Wherefore He is able also to save them to the uttermost
that come unto God by Him,
seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them.'
(Heb 7:24-25)

He is able, the question isn't can he save them. The question is will they stay saved. You seem to be confusing the fact that people are "utterly" saved, with whether they stay "utterly saved".
A life guard can utterly save you from drowning. But you can still jump back in the water.

This is sufficient for me,
For I believe what is written

But none of the verses you posted here say anything about assurance of salvation.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Brother @B-A-C

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Please excuse me for butting in. I don't do so with intent to engage with you and/or 'take sides'.
Please continue with your communication with Chris.

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Perhaps you could be so kind to let Chris @complete know one or two?

There are those verses that support your 'position' but I am sure you also know some, at least, that don't fit that position.

Is it so much 'lose' or might it be more, 'determined, deliberately throwing away' ?

Again I am reminded of the parable of the sower.

Thank you for faithfully caring for the salvation of others.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

The eye said to the hand,
It is OK for you; you can reach for some water to wash dust and dirt off yourself. I can not.
So the hand replied....
___ __ ____ ___

 

[lentz]

The eye said to the hand,
It is OK for you; you can reach for some water to wash dust and dirt off yourself. I can not.
So the hand replied....
___ __ ____ ___

“We are of same body, I wash you,I wash myself “

 

[B-A-C]

Perhaps you could be so kind to let Chris @complete know one or two?

Posts #2 thru #11 have a few dozen.

Eph 2:8-9; was already commented on in post #8.

I will say, I don't think salvation is lost easily. I don't think it's lost on a whim, in a single minute.
God "ALWAYS" does His part to save us. I believe He wants us ALL to be saved. 2Pet 3:9; 1Tim 2:3-4;
Jesus doesn't just go around dumping people every time they make a mistake. Mistakes are allowed, stumbling sometimes is OK.

There is grace, there is mercy, there is forgiveness, there is more of these things than we can even comprehend.

Nobody loses's their salvation by accident. If someone believes in Jesus, and His resurrection, and they've repented,
really repented, then they are saved. No if's and's or but's. Even if they sin and stumble every now and then, they are still saved.
God never refuses a contrite heart and a repentant spirit. As I have posted numerous times, I believe God loves us all.
I also believe no one is reading this thread by accident, if this is a concern you have, take heart, be encouraged.
God loves you. If you're worried you went to far, I can tell you, that you haven't. It's never too late ( until you're dead )
Get on your knees, tell God you're sorry, ask Him to forgive you. It's really that easy.

The people who fall away, make a choice to fall away. They renounce God and their faith. They purposely make a choice to keep
on living in sin. If this isn't you, then you have nothing to worry about. In fact the very fact that the Holy Spirit is convicting you to
examine yourself should be proof that God is still working on you, with you. Sanctifying you.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

@B-A-C

I wonder if you have scripture for this?

Paul was absolutely assured of his salvation

Perhaps you could be so kind to let Chris @complete know one or two?

The references you alluded to (dozens) did not actually provide any words from the Apostle Paul regarding assurance of his salvation. Most, in fact were not from any of the letters the Apostle wrote.


As per your repeating the replies given offered no Scriptures, likewise, your reply also gave none that would let anyone know of any Scripture that the Apostle Paul wrote that could clearly demonstrate his assurance of his salvation.

Thank you, however, for affirming God's faithfulness.

All praise and honor and glory be unto Him, both now and ever, amen.


Bless you ....><>

 

[lentz]

I wonder if I might say something useful here.
No I doubt it.