Catholicism

[david_james]

I am scared for my friend who I love very much. Is she indeed saved?

 

[Chad]

I am scared for my friend who I love very much. Is she indeed saved?

No man has the right to say, only GOD. The only way one can prove that another is saved is that the believer has spoken with their own mouth that they believe Jesus Christ as Lord GOD and Savior and of course believed in their heart. Ultimately, GOD knows that person's heart and faith.

 

[spirit1st]

HEART is the key in believing!
As we must accept HIM into our HEART as LORD and MASTER .

Then of course we will not follow another on EARTH , BUT HIM.

As HE is a good shepherd , We hear and follow!

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

1Jn 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

Many make the serious mistake of following a preacher or teacher or another as if they are closer to GOD than us?


But ?HE is NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS!

Col 3:25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done; and there is no respect of persons.

Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressor

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

 

[Ann]

The last couple of weeks I've been doing research and studies about different subjects (that's why I've been so scarce).

I came across the following which included photographs of Pope John Paul 11 and the use of satanic signs and thought I would share it with you.

"The Twisted Crucifix, which this Pope has been using at every stop on this trip to the Middle East. [Read NEWS1359 for full details and a picture of this Twisted Cross Crucifix]. Satanists created the Twisted Cross in 666 A.D. to caricature the Roman Catholic traditional Crucifix, but quickly adopted it as one of their many symbols for Antichrist. Faithful Catholics have been unknowingly bowing down to this symbol of Antichrist since 1963, when Pope Paul VI began using it for his public ceremonies. At that time, occult adepts of all secret societies realized this symbol suddenly being used by the Paul VI meant only one thing: the Illuminati now controlled the Vatican ! Finally, after over 200 years of struggle, the Black Magick forces of the Masters of the Illuminati controlled the Vatican, vanquishing the White Magic practitioners who had held power since Constantine."

"Shockingly, as the Pope is seated during a ceremony at the mount where Jesus supposedly gave His Sermon on the Mount, a stone behind the Pontiff's head depicts a Satanic inverted cross! This has always been one of the main Satanic symbols for Antichrist, even predating the Twisted Crucifix the Pope has always used."

It may be shocking to some but the pictures doesn't lie, chatholism is not a church based on the true gospel of Jesus Christ and we must stay clear of it as far as possible.

 

[ServantOfYHWH]

The last couple of weeks I've been doing research and studies about different subjects (that's why I've been so scarce).

I came across the following which included photographs of Pope John Paul 11 and the use of satanic signs and thought I would share it with you.

"The Twisted Crucifix, which this Pope has been using at every stop on this trip to the Middle East. [Read NEWS1359 for full details and a picture of this Twisted Cross Crucifix]. Satanists created the Twisted Cross in 666 A.D. to caricature the Roman Catholic traditional Crucifix, but quickly adopted it as one of their many symbols for Antichrist. Faithful Catholics have been unknowingly bowing down to this symbol of Antichrist since 1963, when Pope Paul VI began using it for his public ceremonies. At that time, occult adepts of all secret societies realized this symbol suddenly being used by the Paul VI meant "Aonly one thing: the Illuminati now controlled the Vatican ! Finally, after over 200 years of struggle, the Black Magick forces of the Masters of the Illuminati controlled the Vatican, vanquishing the White Magic practitioners who had held power since Constantine."

"Shockingly, as the Pope is seated during a ceremony at the mount where Jesus supposedly gave His Sermon on the Mount, a stone behind the Pontiff's head depicts a Satanic inverted cross! This has always been one of the main Satanic symbols for Antichrist, even predating the Twisted Crucifix the Pope has always used."

It may be shocking to some but the pictures doesn't lie, chatholism is not a church based on the true gospel of Jesus Christ and we must stay clear of it as far as possible.

I'm very glad someone is covering this, thank you Ann. I think you all realize just how influential Pope John paul was. He was the most loved pope, and many many many people followed him. I would just like to cover some Prophecies that the Roman Catholic Church fulfills.

Prophetic Terms

-Woman= Church

-*****= Evil Church

-Waters= People, Multitudes..

"And there came one of the seven angels...and talked with me, saying unto me, Come Hither; I will show unto thee the judgment of the great ***** that sitteth upon many WATERS. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a WOMAN sit upon a scarlet coloured Beast, full of names of Blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns." - Revelation 17:1-3

Evil Church (*****) that influences (Sits on) much people (Waters), having names of blasphemy.

"And the Woman(Church) was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls." - Revelation 17:4

[Roman Catholic Church]

"The color for bishops and other prelates is purple, for cardinals scarlet...The pectoral cross should be made of gold and..decorated with gems..." Ibid., pp. 175, 178, and p. 466



"And I saw the Woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus." - Revelation 17:6

Millions of people were killed during the Papal inquisition. Their Accusation? Heresy: Reading the Bible.

"And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the Woman sitteth." - Revelation 17:9

Rome: "Limen Apostolorum, la citta dei sette colli"

Translation: "Threshold of the Apostles, the city of the seven hills."

"And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." - Revelation 17:10

When did the Roman Catholic Church have any kings? When they received a kingdom.

The Lateran Treaty:

The agreement signed in 1929 by Italy and the Holy See which recognized the Vatican City as a sovereign and independent papal state.

On February 11 1929, Pius Xl was the first Roman Catholic Pope to become king of Vatican State.

John was shown the vision during the reign of John Paul ll ("and one is") as a divine hint that he was the significant pope.

"And the Beast that was, and is not, even he is of the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition." - Revelation 17:11

The world loved John paul ll. Who else better to impersonate in order to decieve the world?

There are Catholics who will go to heaven, who are born again. But, their Religion teaches them to pray to mary, I know there are Catholics who don't do that, but sadly there's many who do..We can only pray that God shows them the truth, and they follow Him the way their meant to before it's too late. God bless!

 

[jennie549]

Thanks Chad, This really helped me understand a lot. I was born into the catholic church and went through all the sacraments and stuff like that, but never really understood what they were all about and why I did them. It was just something that i went through because i had to. Your post made a lot of sense and helped me understand a little bit more.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

My prayer is directed and controled by my mind. If I should pray to Jesus while holding a crucifix made from twisted tomato vines, does that mean that I'm praying to a tomato? No! I'm praying to Jesus.

By the same token if, intending to pray to Jesus, I pick up a twisted crucifix, not knowing or embracing its connection to Satan, am I praying to Satan? No! My prayer is directed by my mind, not by the design of the symbol in my hand.

Only a true and devoted Satanist will use a twisted cross to pray to Satan because his/her prayer is directed to Satan and it is his/her express desire to mock the things of God. While, I'm no longer a Roman Catholic, I defy anyone to produce proof that Pope John Paul II or any other pope was a Satanist.

SLE

 

[Chad]

Amen brother Ed. Very true. One thing I never understand is why the need to hold anything in our hands besides the Bible itself and of course, hold faith in our hearts

I have family members who hold rosary beads and do the Hail Mary prayer. Its disgusting and its heartbreaking. They pray to saints too that have zero significance in the REAL Word of GOD, not the "catechism" of the Catholic church.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Chad, I realize that I'm double-posting, but I have to make this response to you: My post was only concerned with the Satanic Cross article. I was not addressing any of the other things you mentioned.

I agree with you regarding the rosary, praying to Mary, etc. But, all of us - Protestant and Catholic - use the symbol of the cross/crucifix as a focal point for prayer to Jesus at times. I think that's one of the reasons why the cross is displayed in all our churches.

SLE

 

[jennie549]

Personallly, i never really understood the purpose of the rosary. My step-mom had me and my siblings make ones with beads but i never understood what it meant. When i was growing up, our bedtime prayers always consisted of the Our Father, Hail Mary, and a bunch of others. I never really understood WHY we were praying to Mary...it wasn't mary that died for us, It was Jesus Christ. A lot of the catholic church 'things' never made sense to me at all. I went through all the sacraments (first communion, first penance, confirmation, etc) but i never understood why i was doing it. It was just something that I had to do because that is what we did at that age. My parents walked me through the booklets and what the day meant to me and that kind of thing but never REALLY understood it. Catholicism just seemed so ritual to me, it never really taught anything that was appliable to your own life in growing in God, it was always this is what happened...i just sat there going "ya, ok...? this means what to me?"

 

[Mr. Armenian]

I, like the vast majority was raised as a Catholic. I look back, and think....eeek!

But, this is what I think regards to my Mom who is a Catholic, or others who are Anglicans, Protestants, Baptists etc....

At the end of the day (as far as I know) we still believe in The Lord, Jesus Christ. We all have share in the lowest, common denominator, that Jesus is the Son of God.

While, I now acknowledge that being a Christian is much more about the relationship with Christ than I ever experienced as a RC, but we're all on the same team here. It's not as if, we are on the same side as a Muslim, or a Jew, or a Buddhist.....

 

[Chad]

Your right brother Aremenian but there is a critical issue here at hand with catholicism, the teaching is distorted and in some areas completely unscriptural. That can easily hinder any walk with Christ and even the perception of GOD from the believer's view.

 

[jennie549]

So i have a question for you then Chad, with the unscriptural things, does that mean infant baptism as well? And as well, what is the significance of the various sacraments in the catholic church, the first communion, confirmation etc. Could you explain these to me?

 

[EazyMack]

I don't know how I stumbled into it, but I have recently been taking on this issue in my personal life as well. I was brought up in a spirit-led Christian home (non-denominational). I have no romantic story as to why I am a Christian. I've been with Jesus since the beginning. Not to say that I've never tripped or fallen & had to scramble to find God's path for me a time or two, because I certainly have! And will again. God's grace has saved me many a time (thank you). But in my case, it's been a lifelong relationship, and I know I'm blessed for that.

Anyway, I have befriended many Catholics. I live in California & work with a lot of Latinos, and am now an intermediate Spanish speaker... I believe God has a reason for this. I have friends who don't even speak English. And they've really taken to me, and I to them. INCLUDING my girlfriend of 9 months now. I'll keep a long story short and say that she insisted on her Catholic faith from the very beginning but I always knew that a miracle was going to happen fast... that 23 years of being taught one way was going to dramatically change, and quick. So I stuck with the relationship, despite many feelings of giving up. I stuck with it, was very patient, very gentle, not forceful at all. I was sharing & teaching, but not pushing or prodding. I was also calling on my Christian friends & family to pray for the situation.

One day we were fighting, we were going to split, but what ended up happening was we prayed together. Praying instead of fighting! How about that. Anyway, she was crying and crying and thanked me for "showing her how to do that" (to pray). I was really caught off guard.

And now, just this past month she went back to Peru to visit for a week. Her family went to the Catholic church they had always gone to. Strangely, the Catholic priest that day did not start the service with any of those rituals or traditions that they normally do. Even stranger, the priest's message that day was that there are no differences between Catholicism and Christianity, that it's the same thing. After the service, my girlfriend was talking with the priest. The priest then asked her, "So are you Catholic or are you Christian?" and she responded "Christian!"

She now looks back on all the things that she was taught and asks me why she was being taught those things. She has denounced many of the rituals & traditions and acknowledges now that the Word of God is where the truth is written, and that is does not come from the lips & traditions of man.

So with patience & understanding, I share tidbits of knowledge & spirit here and there with other Catholic friends, praying that they too can see the way, the truth, and the life. It's become a large part of my life now, and I just stumbled into it. I don't know if it's coincidence or if it's God's desire for me at this point, but if so, I'll gladly take on the challenge, and I will say "Thank you God for choosing me!"

I'm glad I found this board & I'm glad I found this thread. This is a serious issue in regards to faith & salvation. So many wonderful people out there with beautiful hearts who believe they are doing the right thing but are tragically misled. A revolution is in order, but we need more troops.

 

[Chad]

That's an awesome and powerful testimony Mack. Thank you for sharing this. This is GOD's power alone, no one else but His power and grace, and our faith which is required to please Him. I'm faithful my family will convert one day too.

The priests contradicted his own preaching by even asking her (your g/f) if she was catholic or Christian. Makes no sense of saying they are both the same, then asking someone which of the two they are.

GOD bless

 

[Jonah2005bt]

Lady of Fatima ???

Chad please share your thoughts on - Lady of Fatima - Whom I'm guessing is mother mary?

*genesis

 

[HisFollower]

response to Catholicism

Additionally, I would add a few foot notes which do not add up in their tradition, which they so staunchly defend.
They´re tradition for greeting their bishop (pope), is to kneel, and I think to kiss his ring or his hand(its irrelevant which); but the point is, that they´re other tradition is that this bishop is following in seccesion from Peter. And I have pointed out to several Catholics, that how could it be that on one side your bishop in Rome allows people to bow to him, but at the same time it is proclaimed that he follows Peter; because in Acts.10:25,26, someone tried to bow to Peter, and Peter would´nt allow it.
The other point concerns Mary, that she was indeed blessed as the scriptures say, but she was blessed among women, not above, but among; and also their tradition is to look to her for answers, but did´nt she say herself in regard to Jesus; “Whatsoever He saith unto you, do it”.

 

[Jonah2005bt]

Additionally, I would add a few foot notes which do not add up in their tradition, which they so staunchly defend.
They´re tradition for greeting their bishop (pope), is to kneel, and I think to kiss his ring or his hand(its irrelevant which); but the point is, that they´re other tradition is that this bishop is following in seccesion from Peter. And I have pointed out to several Catholics, that how could it be that on one side your bishop in Rome allows people to bow to him, but at the same time it is proclaimed that he follows Peter; because in Acts.10:25,26, someone tried to bow to Peter, and Peter would´nt allow it.
The other point concerns Mary, that she was indeed blessed as the scriptures say, but she was blessed among women, not above, but among; and also their tradition is to look to her for answers, but did´nt she say herself in regard to Jesus; “Whatsoever He saith unto you, do it”.

Very well said! :handshake:

 

[Jonah2005bt]

Please share your thoughts on - Lady of Fatima - Whom I'm guessing is mother mary?

 

[SpiritLedEd]

As a former Roman Catholic, I'd like to point out that the tradition of kissing a bishop's pastoral ring, to my knowledge, is no longer practiced. It was intended, I believe, only as a sign of respect for the office of bishop, however, for some bishops, it became an ego issue.

I heartily agree with the comments about the Virgin Mary.

SLE